Ladies Short Program
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Agreed. Aside from 3-3, the rest of the program was superb. Her spins and footwork have improved, and she really sold the program. Assuming she gets very high GOEs on her other jumping elements as well as spins and footwork, I don't understand why it would be so difficult for some people to get her TES mark. Even Mao deserved her TES. Her double axel always gets more than 1 point GOE. Her spiral and footwork are excellent. Some of her spins were just first-grade. I guess I'll just go along with Tarasova. The judging was fair, although I think Yukari was bit held down. I really want to see the protocols. Curious to know what GOEs Yu-na was awarded and whether Caroline's 3-3 was ratified.
sigh. What's up with the scores. Why is Asada scored so high if she apparently skated poorly? And Yuna ahead by such a wide margin, if she apparently messed up as well?
If the TV commentators cannot CLEARLY explain these "at-first-glance" outrageous outcomes, then no one is going to want to watch, including me.
That said, fairly or unfairly the scores are very close and the FS is anyone's game. What a joke of a season it's been.
If the TV commentators cannot CLEARLY explain these "at-first-glance" outrageous outcomes, then no one is going to want to watch, including me.
That said, fairly or unfairly the scores are very close and the FS is anyone's game. What a joke of a season it's been.
Yu-na got the same TES here as she did at CoR, where she had all positive GOE's except for the 2A, a required element (she did a single, and so -3 GOE). Because of the lower base value of the 2A, she lost 4.3 there (compared to the clean 2A at CoC), and she should've lost about 8.6 here for the 3F/1T (which was what she lost at CoC compared to CoR; she also singled the toe in CoC). I'm at a loss as to how her TES here got compensated elsewhere. She had a level 1 step sequence in CoR, which maybe gives her another 1.5 if she got level 3 here.
She also had 3 level 3 spins, if they were all level 4 today, then that gives her another 1.5. But who gets all level 4's? Not even Caroline Z. Anyway, plus perhaps she got a higher GOE here for the 3Lz than at CoR (where she had 0 GOE).
So I guess it's just about possible that Yu-na could've gotten the score she did today, if she was really judged to have totally, totally maxed out on all the other jumps, spins, and spirals: i.e. all +1 to +2 GOE's, all level 4's. I'm sorry, but she doesn't have the best spirals and spins in the women's field. Yukari and Caroline both have better spins, and Caroline and Mao also have better spirals.
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True but there are other ways to inflate scores and keep a skater's score down like PC's. That being said I am happy with the standings and YuNa did a good job today.
I don't have problem with CK being behind CZ or YuNa either because I see nothing special about Carolina Kostner's skating. Besides the speed, she does absolutely nothing for me. Her PCS hasn't improved since the day I first saw her.
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Oh poor guy, you must be blind!:scratch:
Could you?
In this case, I suggest you to do that next time, you will use your mind and your body in a better way! :yes:
At Worlds 2007, Yuna got about 30 points for the elements except the 3F3T combination, and she really improved her spiral and the quality of her spins this season, so I think the score is just ok.
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I cant believe in a day that had the :chorus: :chorus: scores for all of Takahashi, Zhang/Zhang, Domnina/Shabalin and Virtue/Moir for their badly flawed ODs, there is someone here nitpicking Kim scoring 7 or more points higher then you would expect for her best with just a botched combo as a mistake.
Compared to her CoC sp, Yuna got higher pcs by more than a point. Her step sequence back then was graded level 1, for which she was later awarded level 3 at COR. All of her spins were graded level 3 at CoC, but she probably got level 4s at this event. Her lutz and axel were even better at this event. All these make up for the gap between the scores from two events.
As for Mao, her double axel usually gets even higher GOE than Yu-na. Also, as you said, since she is supposedly a better spinner and spiralist (don't know what it's called) than Yuna, she should've got even higher GOEs than Yuna. Her lutz would've scored about 4.8 if landed cleanly, so it's not a HUGE loss.
So these two ladies' TES make sense to me.
Of course, I'm trying to defend them, and you're coming from another stance, so we will probably not agree.
Let us check your argument. If Yu-Na got the best scores for every element excetp 3-1 combo, the TES score would be
3F+1T 5.9 - 3.0 = 2.90
3Lz 6.00 + 1.71 = 7.71 (07 Worlds)
SpSq4 3.40 + 1.00 = 4.40 (07 CoC) (07 CoR)
FSSp4 3.0 + 0.50 = 3.50 (07 CoR)
SlSt3 3.1 + 0.79 = 3.89 (07 Worlds)
LSp4 2.6 + 0.90 = 3.50(07 CoR)
2A 3.50 + 1.43 = 4.93 (06 Jr Worlds)
CCoSp4 3.5 + 0.64 = 4.14 (07 Worlds)
TES: 34.97
So, it is almost same as today's score 34.90. How impressive it is!
How about Mao?
3F+3Lo 10.50 - 2.00 = 8.50 (Hands down, two-foot)
Lz
2A 3.50 + 1.57 = 5.07 (07 Worlds)
LSp3 2.4 + 0.90 = 3.30 (07 TEB)
SpSq4 3.4 + 1.80 = 5.20 (07 SC)
FSSp4 3.0 + 0.60 = 3.60 (07 SC)
SlSt3 3.1 + 1.00 = 4.10 (07 TEB)
CCoSp4 3.5 + 0.60 = 4.1(06 GPF) (06 NHK)
TES: 33.87
Mao's score 31.00 was 2.87 point lower than her (imaginary) best.
I think so!
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Well, I just saw ladies sp's. Caroline's skate was clean but even with Yu-na's mistakes, there's no way I'm putting Caroline above Yu-na; Yu-na has quality and speed that's far superior. Also, I don't think Mao's scores are too high. I realize she didn't do her triple lutz and hand down on her combo but the rest, especially her spins are totally beautiful.
I think I've looked closely enough at the protocols to understand HOW the judges might have arrived at Mao's and Yu-na's TES today, by playing within the rules of CoP judging -- but that doesn't mean I agree with the scores. *shrug* Anyway, after all the drama today, I think the final outcome is that Yu-na has a small advantage going into the LP, and the other ladies are just about starting out at level with one another (the 2 points Caroline has should just about offset her lower PCS that she will for sure get compared to the "grown-ups"; the others are all virtually tied.)
Enough negatives.
I do want to focus on some of the positives today as well.
A big thumbs up for Caroline. It was so cute to hear her say "hey, I finally got over 60!" and give that tiny little fist pump of hers.
I continue to believe that if she can rotate all her jumps tomorrow, she has a good chance to medal.
Yukari skated wonderfully. That leg-wrap is probably stuck forever, but those beautiful, fast, centered spins, wow! Also looking forward to her 3A tomorrow.
Carolina -- how nice to see her skate without falling apart. The 1A was a temporary loss-of-focus goof, but luckily it happened to her on the lowest-scoring jump. It would be nice to see another clean (or near-clean) program from her tomorrow.
Kimmie -- too bad about the cheated 3-3, but it was one of her best SP skates this season (SB actually, though I thought her TEB SP was better). She supposedly re-worked her LP with Lori Nichols last week, so I'm looking forward to an improved LP (hopefully) tomorrow.
Mao -- well, I predicted her to win gold, and honestly I really like the progress she's made in every aspect of skating this season aside from the jumps. She was gifted with a great score in the SP for such a jump-deficient SP. I think if she brings out the 3A and the two 3-3's tomorrow, she can still beat Yu-na for the gold.
Yu-na -- I felt like her SP score was a bit inflated compared to the other skaters. But, I did think that presentation-wise, this SP skate was more enjoyable than her previous two. Hopefully she can work the same magic for me in her LP tomorrow.
Enough negatives.
I do want to focus on some of the positives today as well.
A big thumbs up for Caroline. It was so cute to hear her say "hey, I finally got over 60!" and give that tiny little fist pump of hers.
I continue to believe that if she can rotate all her jumps tomorrow, she has a good chance to medal. Yukari skated wonderfully. That leg-wrap is probably stuck forever, but those beautiful, fast, centered spins, wow! Also looking forward to her 3A tomorrow.
Carolina -- how nice to see her skate without falling apart. The 1A was a temporary loss-of-focus goof, but luckily it happened to her on the lowest-scoring jump. It would be nice to see another clean (or near-clean) program from her tomorrow.
Kimmie -- too bad about the cheated 3-3, but it was one of her best SP skates this season (SB actually, though I thought her TEB SP was better). She supposedly re-worked her LP with Lori Nichols last week, so I'm looking forward to an improved LP (hopefully) tomorrow.
Mao -- well, I predicted her to win gold, and honestly I really like the progress she's made in every aspect of skating this season aside from the jumps. She was gifted with a great score in the SP for such a jump-deficient SP. I think if she brings out the 3A and the two 3-3's tomorrow, she can still beat Yu-na for the gold.
Yu-na -- I felt like her SP score was a bit inflated compared to the other skaters. But, I did think that presentation-wise, this SP skate was more enjoyable than her previous two. Hopefully she can work the same magic for me in her LP tomorrow.
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I just wanted to say that I largely agre with oleada's post #199 -- And just wanted to add that I do think Mao's stretch and flow and line is exquisite - really, beautiful. I'm so impressed by YuNa as well, but really dislike her lack of hip/knee flexibility and toe point - she is so stunning to watch - for me at least - that these 'flaws' that I might not notice on someone else just jump at me from her. Caroline Zhang has so much charisma it is unreal.
anyway, I look forward to the LP's the sp's were kind of wierd...
anyway, I look forward to the LP's the sp's were kind of wierd...
It should be -3 in her lost 3Lz.So Mao got a best GOE+ in other elements.
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You mean poor "woman" as in Ms.A....
