2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating
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Anna may be the underdog compared to Kamila, but so are all the others. Yet somehow nobody writes pages and pages about how they are no match for her.
I definitely agree there would be no shame in losing to Kami who broke loose and never had any problem with that. Completely other things are all those suggestions that sound like Anna should throw her skates into the river and feed the ducks
@Lzbee said it very eloquently.
Because it’s Anna, she had a shot to beat the odds. Because if anyone can, it’s her.
And it’s indeed a compliment. I said earlier that to beat Anna you have to break records and go to places where no one has gone before.
I think it’s pretty clear that I’m in the pro Anna camp. Big time. I have a 100% praise Anna record here.
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I'm also not blaming you nor @Lzbee of anything. It's just funny to read all that negative suggestions about Anna from particular people over over again every season
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I know. Just got to make sure I don’t end up in the anti Anna camp. I want no part of that. I want to adopt her, remember? HahaI'm also not blaming you nor @Lzbee of anything. It's just funny to read all that negative suggestions about Anna from particular people over over again every season
That doesn’t matter. Anna has made a living out of proving people wrong.
You don’t have to give her the benefit of the doubt; she just goes and takes it herself.
And until we add up the scores and she is beaten, she is still the current, reigning, and defending champion.
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My 1st guest was Pogo and Zhenya.
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One or two points is so insignificant that you could rescore 100 different ways and get an even split of who wins and who takes silver. I don’t think a single edge call would be enough to account for general scoring variances. They could’ve just as easily reduced her jump and step sequence GOE or raised Sasha’s or Aliona’s jump GOE or lowered Aliona’s spin GOE or raised her step sequence GOE. Whatever it is, I think that the edge call wouldn’t have made a difference. The placements were fair. Nitpicking .7 points is where there is a massive judging panel, even if I think the scoring system is mostly worthless.
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You also missed the fact that the best doctors, coaches, and choreographers are here too. HahaWe're back to talk about Anna's Lutz. How exciting...not
It's fascinating that the best tech judges are on this forum instead of at the competitions.....
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There is Zhenya, but possibly a different Zhenya than you had in mind at first sight
Stop it you're embarrasing me
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Which category are you?Stop it you're embarrasing me
You seem like the modest type so I’m expecting an “all of the above” answer. Haha
Well all of the above and much more. To put it mildly that is
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Well, because no one is predicting that Maiia or Liza will win.
At risk of sounding like an Anna hater... She did a lot of lutzes in 2019 and 2020 nationals. If she was called on all of them, the GOE hit is actually quite big.
Reducing her GOE by 2 for the Lutz jumps (so +4s become +2s and +3s become +1s), she would lose about 6 points total in 2019 and 9 points in 2020. Note that I'm still giving her decent positive GOE!
That would actually put her behind Aliona into 3rd place in 2019 but Sasha was way too far behind in 2020 to get silver.
In the other hand, Aliona also had a flat Lutz in 2019 and would lose about 2.5 points in total if called the same way which would put them very close together for silver (probably less than a point apart).
However, I do believe that if Anna was called for the lutzes consistently, they would've pivoted to doing flips instead. So I swapped around her flips and lutzes but still called her lutzes and she would've lost about 5 points in 2019 instead and about 5 points in 2020 as well. Even so, the conclusion is that calling her lutzes would have made a noticeable difference to the scores.
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You were considering Anna's three quads less possible than Sasha's six, which is the sense of this line:
"I would be equally as doubtful as Kamila doing five, or Sasha seven."
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Very different.There is Zhenya, but possibly a different Zhenya than you had in mind at first sight
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Just because the insane tech panel at the Cup of China there is no need to call ALL OF THEM. Let's not turn this thread into another "Anna and Lutzes" throughout history.
Let's rather remember the moment Anna became the champion of Russia for the first time...
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And let’s say we did judge by the tech panel at Cup of China— then scores overall would’ve been lower and there’s really no way to say what elements of the others they would or wouldn’t drop.
Let’s not also forget that Sasha fell in 2019 and even if the lutz was called, she still could’ve won with a clean skate. I also don’t think it even matters because if we’re judging by some sort of tech panel from China then at least one of Sasha’s flips at RusNats in 2019 would’ve also been called for a flat edge.
And almost everyone really thinks that Angel at NHK was better but it was the GPF at performance that broke the WR— that point difference was about 1-1.5 right? These close close calls are so inscrutable that there’s really no need to rehash perceived flaws. We can microanalyze every program and add and deduct points to say “see they should’ve won instead.”
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Both of these things will not happen.
Oh my god, I just don't understand. Aliona fans will readily admit she has an iffy Lutz, Sasha fans will readily accept her flips being called but Anna fans will throw a fit if you suggest that her lutzes were flat. The numbers are numbers, I'm not trying to drag her down as a person.
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