2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[drivingmissdaisy]

Don't remember your doubts about them before

Just to be clear, I hope she skates her best. I think her LP from Nationals last year was the single best LP we've ever seen up to that point in time. I also think Kamila's 3A advantage in the SP is the one thing that will be hardest for the others to overcome. That's all

 

[melsh]

so some of you say she has basically lost her weapons because of an injury that occurred months ago therefore she will only jump one quad in the fs. uhm...
ever heard of the words "peaking at the right time"? wearing herself out for two mere GP's would not have been much sensible in such a season, and she surely is a sensible gal.
the point of this discussion is that she has the peculiar ability to overcome any obstacle and prevail. Her talent, skill and inner strenght are undeniable, and she is healthy. Why she should show a mediocre skate this time around, I really don't understand.

 

[alexocfp]

Before Skate Canada you could say the similar thing about Kamila, that she did not deliver a clean program with 4T, 4S and 3A yet. And there she is now. I don't think there is any need to recap Anna's lack of training before due to her injury that gave her less time for preparation, but now everything should be fine. I would understand this if she has never ever landed a single quad (though remember the ridiculing of Maiia to which she gave a clear answer), but in reality we live this persistent repudiation is more like obstinacy.

We speak about a three time national champion and what you write about her is in no way different than what many wrote about her before all of her three titles (and actually most of her other titles as well). And still nothing of that make people to be more careful about their predictions. No one can give a 100 % guarantee that Anna will deliver three clean quads, but that zealous negativism about her that not a single other skater is experiencing is simply nuts.

If Kamila does beat Anna, it will be the first time the prediction of Anna losing comes true in years. Prediction will finally be right after being wrong for so long. Even a broken watch is right twice a day. Haha

Anna is the big underdog now. Kamila is a force of nature, no doubt about that. Kamila is amazing, amazing, amazing.

But to be the champion you need to beat the champion. On ice, not on paper.

And if you lose to the greatest skates of all time, then you just have to applaud and say well done, you earned your place in history.

And if you have to lose, nobody better to lose to than Kamila. No shame in being second best to her.

I’m a big Kamila fan too (how can you not be), so don’t expect me to badmouth or turn on her.

It says a lot about Anna though that to beat her you have to break records and do things never before done.

And make no mistake, Kamila learned a lot at Sambo 70 watching Anna operate. Especially on the mental side of things.

And Kamila is pushing Anna too. You don’t believe that Anna isn’t going down without a fight, do you?

Win, lose or draw NCAO. Never count Anna out.

And lest we forget, the chasing pack are no slouches either, this is Russia. Liza and Trusova and Maiia et al aren’t just there to make up the numbers.

 

[sclloyd]

so some of you say she has basically lost her weapons because of an injury that occurred months ago therefore she will only jump one quad in the fs. uhm...
ever heard of the words "peaking at the right time"? wearing herself out for two mere GP's would not have been much sensible in such a season, and she surely is a sensible gal.
the point of this discussion is that she has the peculiar ability to overcome any obstacle and prevail. Her talent, skill and inner strenght are undeniable, and she is healthy. Why she should show a mediocre skate this time around, I really don't understand.

And in fairness, the ice quality in France is often talked about. Her second quad was pretty solid, so I really do think her not even getting the pick solid in the ice was a freak incident that has more to do with bad ice than her ability that day to deliver two quads. We saw a lot of uncharacteristically hard falls there so I think I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt and say she was likely preparing to add one quad each competition, working up to a 3 quad program for GPF and Nationals.

And who knows. Aliona surprised us all with the 3A. Maybe Maia breaks through with the 3A and surprises us all here the way she said she wanted to. Maybe Anna surprises us with a clean 3 quad program even if we haven’t seen one in a while. Maybe Sasha really does land all five quads. Maybe Liza goes for broke and adds the 4T. There’s enough surprises all the time that I’m not going to count Anna out just because she had a slow season start.

 

[Scott512]

Talalaikina is the one I will miss the most. She always had fun programs and her Maleficent was my favourite program last year. It was just brilliant.

I agree with you but the federation and the judges have an opposite view on Maria. But she's good friends with Nastia so....

Too bad little Liza isn't there she was the 3rd senior at Russian nationals last year and got nothing out of it not even a stinking challenger this year when she should have had a GP event or 2 and shes on the national team! But she's good friends with Nastia so...

It's just perplexing to see such beautiful skaters from the same camp and a really good coach for ladies and men get absolutely nothing. Ever. And that's why Maria and Anastasia left the Russian federation and obviously Nugu should do the same thing. She owes them nothing. Zip nada zilch.

Ksenia got 2 GP events after missing rusnats and basically missing the season. It doesn't add up. She's a lovely skater and I hope she does well at nationals but I don't see her getting in the top 5.

The lineup to skate for other countries after the Olympic season we'll be more than just 2 (Masha and Nastia) from last season let's put it that way!

 

[Scott512]

If Kamila does beat Anna, it will be the first time the prediction of Anna losing comes true in years. Prediction will finally be right after being wrong for so long. Even a broken watch is right twice a day. Haha

Anna is the big underdog now. Kamila is a force of nature, no doubt about that. Kamila is amazing, amazing, amazing.

But to be the champion you need to beat the champion. On ice, not on paper.

And if you lose to the greatest skates of all time, then you just have to applaud and say well done, you earned your place in history.

And if you have to lose, nobody better to lose to than Kamila. No shame in being second best to her.

I’m a big Kamila fan too (how can you not be), so don’t expect me to badmouth or turn on her.

It says a lot about Anna though that to beat her you have to break records and do things never before done.

And make no mistake, Kamila learned a lot at Sambo 70 watching Anna operate. Especially on the mental side of things.

And Kamila is pushing Anna too. You don’t believe that Anna isn’t going down without a fight, do you?

Win, lose or draw NCAO. Never count Anna out.

And lest we forget, the chasing pack are no slouches either, this is Russia. Liza and Trusova and Maiia et al aren’t just there to make up the numbers.

Anna doesn't think she's a big underdog to anybody. Not even the KaMissile. I don't blame Anna she has quite a resume and is clutch. Anna just does her work and gets things done she doesn't worry about what others are doing or the hype they may be getting.

 

[Jontor]

Ksenia got 2 GP events after missing rusnats and basically missing the season. It doesn't add up.

It does add up. Remember last year was a mess and the only competition that counted was Worlds. So they forged the 2020-2021 seasons together, and and as a result Sinitsyna was #12 on the SB list.

 

[flanker]

The official list of RN participants is here:

https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/2122/rusnat2122_participants.pdf

 

[Jontor]

The official list of RN participants is here:

https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/2122/rusnat2122_participants.pdf

I notice that Peterimova is listed at Sambo 70. But she is not with Eteri's group is she??

 

[flanker]

I notice that Peterimova is listed at Sambo 70. But she is not with Eteri's group is she??

She's from Anna Tsareva's group.

 

[alexocfp]

Anna doesn't think she's a big underdog to anybody. Not even the KaMissile. I don't blame Anna she has quite a resume and is clutch. Anna just does her work and gets things done she doesn't worry about what others are doing or the hype they may be getting.

And that is a great attitude to have. Anna will be at her best in 2 weeks. I am not worried about her at all.

 

[Scott512]

It does add up. Remember last year was a mess and the only competition that counted was Worlds. So they forged the 2020-2021 seasons together, and and as a result Sinitsyna was #12 on the SB list.

2 years ago is a lifetime in figure skating.

The Fed will make it work they will create the narrative to fit what they want to do. Liza N should have got something not nothing. She finished third as a senior at Russian Nationals last year ahead of Tut and got nothing while stanislava finished third as a senior at Russian Nationals 3 years ago and got euros and worlds. Well those were the rules. For that day. Stasya earned those opportunities
finishing third as a senior at Russian Nationals. No issues. The problem was Liza N who finished third as a senior at Russian Nationals last year got nothing out of a really good achievement probably the best moments of her career. I mean not even a stinking challenger or two this season? Nugu could have won Denis Ten or Zagreb. That would have done wonders for her career now her career for all intents and purposes is over at 19. Quite sad.

Anyway on to Nationals I hope the ladies are as great as last season it was incredible. Those performances of the top six or seven ladies were amazing and will be hard to duplicate. I think we should really enjoy this competition because with a virus on the rise everywhere in the world we don't know what we're going to get after Russian Nationals. But it's a very top heavy competition.

 

[Scott512]

And that is a great attitude to have. Anna will be at her best in 2 weeks. I am not worries about her at all.

She really is super poised. Anna just has it and that's something you can't teach. Sasha and Aliona for instance do not have that type of poise.

 

[lurkerghost1]

It is not easy to gossip about level headed individuals who have fairly won such competitions without any manner of scandal or drama. She keeps her head down and does what needs to be done. Such reliability doesn’t generate clickbait.

She didn’t deserve to win her first or second year. She won by 0.07 over Trusova but had no ! calls on lutz (Trusova didn’t have a lip at that time). In 2020 similarly she won over Kostornaia by two points with lutz overlooked, the same year Kostornaia improved her 3Lz so it was outside edge. In 2021 the margin over Valieva was large enough that lutz calls wouldn’t have deserved it so good job then Anna. Still, with a proper tech panel each 3A member would have one national championship.

 

[Jontor]

She didn’t deserve to win her first or second year. She won by 0.07 over Trusova but had no ! calls on lutz (Trusova didn’t have a lip at that time). In 2020 similarly she won over Kostornaia by two points with lutz overlooked, the same year Kostornaia improved her 3Lz so it was outside edge. In 2021 the margin over Valieva was large enough that lutz calls wouldn’t have deserved it so good job then Anna. Still, with a proper tech panel each 3A member would have one national championship.

We're back to talk about Anna's Lutz. How exciting...not

It's fascinating that the best tech judges are on this forum instead of at the competitions.....

 

[Alex Fedorov]

We're back to talk about Anna's Lutz. How exciting...not

It's fascinating that the best tech judges are on this forum instead of at the competitions.....

the well-known expression immediately comes to mind: can't see the forest for the trees

 

[Azikin]

And lest we forget, the chasing pack are no slouches either, this is Russia. Liza and Trusova and Maiia et al aren’t just there to make up the numbers.

Well said but don't forget the juniors.. We can't expect podium sweep like with 3A but they're not there just to make up the numbers either..

 

[flanker]

If Kamila does beat Anna, it will be the first time the prediction of Anna losing comes true in years. Prediction will finally be right after being wrong for so long. Even a broken watch is right twice a day. Haha

Anna is the big underdog now. Kamila is a force of nature, no doubt about that. Kamila is amazing, amazing, amazing.

But to be the champion you need to beat the champion. On ice, not on paper.

And if you lose to the greatest skates of all time, then you just have to applaud and say well done, you earned your place in history.

And if you have to lose, nobody better to lose to than Kamila. No shame in being second best to her.

I’m a big Kamila fan too (how can you not be), so don’t expect me to badmouth or turn on her.

It says a lot about Anna though that to beat her you have to break records and do things never before done.

And make no mistake, Kamila learned a lot at Sambo 70 watching Anna operate. Especially on the mental side of things.

And Kamila is pushing Anna too. You don’t believe that Anna isn’t going down without a fight, do you?

Win, lose or draw NCAO. Never count Anna out.

And lest we forget, the chasing pack are no slouches either, this is Russia. Liza and Trusova and Maiia et al aren’t just there to make up the numbers.

Anna may be the underdog compared to Kamila, but so are all the others. Yet somehow nobody writes pages and pages about how they are no match for her.

I definitely agree there would be no shame in losing to Kami who broke loose and never had any problem with that. Completely other things are all those suggestions that sound like Anna should throw her skates into the river and feed the ducks

 

[Lzbee]

Anna may be the underdog compared to Kamila, but so are all the others. Yet somehow nobody writes pages and pages about how they are no match for her.

I definitely agree there would be no shame in losing to Kami who broke loose and never had any problem with that. Completely other things are all those suggestions that sound like Anna should throw her skates into the river and feed the ducks

It's because it doesn't even need to be said. Everyone knows Liza can't touch Kamila. In fact, never mind "touch" she can't even see Kamila, being 40 points behind. And she's got the second highest score of non-Kamila skaters this season.

Sasha and Anna at least have the potential to beat Kamila but Sasha's biggest opponent right now is Liza so nobody cares that she might or might not beat Kamila.

Anna's direct competition is Kamila, hence the comparisons. It's a compliment.

 

[flanker]

In the RN trailer we saw the stars when they were just little kids. Maybe this kid will be the same star in a couple of years:



It's a christmas wish to Ded Moroz to be healthy.



Note: If this won't turn this thread into a friendly zone than nothing will