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Just read an Instagram post from Anastasia Vaipan-Law and by the sounds of it their season is over and she's looking forward to the future working hard. So looks like Zoe & Chris will be going to Worlds too, which, I must admit, surprises me. I do think Ana & Luke are the future and deserved at least one selection. But that's British Judges and BIS for you. :scratch2:
 
I was thinking, and hoping that Junior Worlds 2022 goes ahead in early March, in Sofia Bulgaria and what a strong team GBR will have with Bekker & Hernandez, Elena Komova & Ed Appleby (probably too soon for our Junior Pair). But excited for it. :hap10:
 
Any updates on Eurosport Player's skating coverage? I had been waiting to see if I would get another half price offer but none came and I forgot about the date when my subscription would renew for £39.99 but I was kinda cool with that reading that new subscribers to Discovery have to pay £60. Anyway it slipped my mind till one afternoon a couple of weeks ago my Bank called suspecting my card had been involved in fraud, :eek2:o_O when I spoke to an operator they were querying 2 payments, one for BISTV and one for Eurosport in successive days! 😇 Guilty of being a skating fan! I thanked them for being vigilant and checking, ... but what now? Will the Player carry on as before?
 
Just belatedly reading a Scottish article on the British Championships:

<<Ms Vaipan-Law and Mr Digby, who both previously competed as solo skaters, teamed up to compete together for the first time this season. Despite their win, it is likely that second place competitors Zoe Jones – who at 41 is one of the oldest competitors ever on the competitive figure skating circuit – and partner Christopher Boyardji, from Swindon, will be chosen to represent Team GB at the European and World Figure Skating Championships early next year due to previous scores>> 🤔


Anyway lovely quotes from Lewis and Tash .
 
Podcast interview with LilahandLewis after today officially being announced as part of TeamGB for the Olympics.

 
Any updates on Eurosport Player's skating coverage? I had been waiting to see if I would get another half price offer but none came and I forgot about the date when my subscription would renew for £39.99 but I was kinda cool with that reading that new subscribers to Discovery have to pay £60. Anyway it slipped my mind till one afternoon a couple of weeks ago my Bank called suspecting my card had been involved in fraud, :eek2:o_O when I spoke to an operator they were querying 2 payments, one for BISTV and one for Eurosport in successive days! 😇 Guilty of being a skating fan! I thanked them for being vigilant and checking, ... but what now? Will the Player carry on as before?

Nobody seems to know what is happening with those of us that are on Eurosport Player subscriptions that automatically renew.

Here is a story I read yesterday that might be relevant:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...kes-europe-warnermedia-merger-1235062959/amp/

In it, the boss of Discovery's streaming division talks about how they have made lots of mistakes with the Eurosport Player in the past 8 years (too right they have!). About half-way down he talks about how they are folding Eurosport into Discovery+, and how bringing the entertainment and sports content together is leading to more subscribers staying with them. And that they will "will continue, and complete, rolling out that approach next year".

There is no date mentioned, but the logical point to aim for in terms of the sporting calendar would be to complete it by the time of the Olympics. But, with the Olympics only 2 months away, that doesn't give them a lot of time to try to get everybody that is still on the Eurosport Player shifted over. The other logital option is to wait until the merger with Warner Media is completed in the middle of 2022, and then bring Eurosport Player, HBO Max and Discovery+ together in one go.

A thing I should add is that Discovery+ was given a new look a week or so ago, and it now has a dedicated sports section that looks identical to what we are used to on the Eurosport Player. So, maybe this is a sign that we are going to be shifted over sooner rather than later.

The thing that is ringing alarm bells is what he says about Eurosport's linear channels. He says that the goal is to "offer eight to 10 “peak events” over the course of the year". So, if they are thinking in terms of focussing on big events, what does that mean for the regular season in not just figure skating but other wintersports? Are they going to focus in on the Major Championships, such as the European and World Championships, on the linear channels? And just have things like the Senior Grand Prix Series in figure skating, or the normal World Cup rounds for the Alpine / Nordic skiing disciplines, available on the streaming service?

The other complication is BT Sport. BT want to exit TV broadcasting, and are trying to sell BT Sport before their content deal with ESPN runs out next month (when the deal ends, Disney plan to put the ESPN content onto Disney+. And no doubt the fans of these sports will cancel their BT Sport subscription. So, BT want out before that happens). DAZN have been in discussions about buying BT Sport for months, but the talks have got bogged down and have recently hit the rocks. And now Discovery has started discussions with BT.

Whilst it would be nice to have one subscription service that would show all the wintersports and motorbike racing that I follow, my concern is that BT Sport and Eurosport have different approaches to what they go for. BT Sport used to have a good mix, but has been shedding it's smaller sports in recent years to focus on paying silly money for mainstream sports. Eurosport has traditionally shunned mainstream sports and gone instead for smaller sports. If they were merged, I fear that a combined business would concentrate on the mainstream sports, as they are what brings in subscribers. And you know fine well that figure skating would be the first thing to go.

So, I hope DAZN and BT can sort out their differences and complete the deal. And then hopefully Discovery will let Eurosport carry on with the same approach they have always taken over the years, and not get tempted by the bright lights of mainstream sports.

CaroLiza_fan
 
I noticed that Karly is not listed as a reserve for euros. Will she be considered for worlds? :pray:
Also I thought that Ana and Luke should have been assigned to at least one of euros/worlds, wasn't winning nationals promising enough? :scratch2:
 
Nobody seems to know what is happening with those of us that are on Eurosport Player subscriptions that automatically renew.

Here is a story I read yesterday that might be relevant:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...kes-europe-warnermedia-merger-1235062959/amp/

In it, the boss of Discovery's streaming division talks about how they have made lots of mistakes with the Eurosport Player in the past 8 years (too right they have!). About half-way down he talks about how they are folding Eurosport into Discovery+, and how bringing the entertainment and sports content together is leading to more subscribers staying with them. And that they will "will continue, and complete, rolling out that approach next year".

There is no date mentioned, but the logical point to aim for in terms of the sporting calendar would be to complete it by the time of the Olympics. But, with the Olympics only 2 months away, that doesn't give them a lot of time to try to get everybody that is still on the Eurosport Player shifted over. The other logital option is to wait until the merger with Warner Media is completed in the middle of 2022, and then bring Eurosport Player, HBO Max and Discovery+ together in one go.

A thing I should add is that Discovery+ was given a new look a week or so ago, and it now has a dedicated sports section that looks identical to what we are used to on the Eurosport Player. So, maybe this is a sign that we are going to be shifted over sooner rather than later.

The thing that is ringing alarm bells is what he says about Eurosport's linear channels. He says that the goal is to "offer eight to 10 “peak events” over the course of the year". So, if they are thinking in terms of focussing on big events, what does that mean for the regular season in not just figure skating but other wintersports? Are they going to focus in on the Major Championships, such as the European and World Championships, on the linear channels? And just have things like the Senior Grand Prix Series in figure skating, or the normal World Cup rounds for the Alpine / Nordic skiing disciplines, available on the streaming service?

The other complication is BT Sport. BT want to exit TV broadcasting, and are trying to sell BT Sport before their content deal with ESPN runs out next month (when the deal ends, Disney plan to put the ESPN content onto Disney+. And no doubt the fans of these sports will cancel their BT Sport subscription. So, BT want out before that happens). DAZN have been in discussions about buying BT Sport for months, but the talks have got bogged down and have recently hit the rocks. And now Discovery has started discussions with BT.

Whilst it would be nice to have one subscription service that would show all the wintersports and motorbike racing that I follow, my concern is that BT Sport and Eurosport have different approaches to what they go for. BT Sport used to have a good mix, but has been shedding it's smaller sports in recent years to focus on paying silly money for mainstream sports. Eurosport has traditionally shunned mainstream sports and gone instead for smaller sports. If they were merged, I fear that a combined business would concentrate on the mainstream sports, as they are what brings in subscribers. And you know fine well that figure skating would be the first thing to go.

So, I hope DAZN and BT can sort out their differences and complete the deal. And then hopefully Discovery will let Eurosport carry on with the same approach they have always taken over the years, and not get tempted by the bright lights of mainstream sports.

CaroLiza_fan

Thank you so much for your excellent summary of what's happening and likely outcomes @CaroLiza_fan :thank:
 
I noticed that Karly is not listed as a reserve for euros. Will she be considered for worlds? :pray:
Also I thought that Ana and Luke should have been assigned to at least one of euros/worlds, wasn't winning nationals promising enough? :scratch2:

Assuming you mean considered to be a reserve for Worlds, she would need a decent score at an international between now and the selection date.

If you mean considered to go to Worlds then I don't think so no.

Again, I agree regarding Ana and Luke hopefully they get the chance.
 
Just belatedly reading a Scottish article on the British Championships:

<<Ms Vaipan-Law and Mr Digby, who both previously competed as solo skaters, teamed up to compete together for the first time this season. Despite their win, it is likely that second place competitors Zoe Jones – who at 41 is one of the oldest competitors ever on the competitive figure skating circuit – and partner Christopher Boyardji, from Swindon, will be chosen to represent Team GB at the European and World Figure Skating Championships early next year due to previous scores>> 🤔


Anyway lovely quotes from Lewis and Tash .
^^ Yeah, thanks for the earlier link to the British pairs event. I finally got a chance to view it yesterday, and I was a bit flabbergasted by the results. I don't think I saw Ana and Luke at their international events this season. But good on them for getting out there to gain competitive experience. It was a good strategy. They are a lovely team, as are the third place team, though of course the two younger teams have a lot of work to do to further improve. One of the contradictions is that younger teams need to compete often in order to improve. But unless you have good results, or show a lot of promise, it's hard to gain international competitive berths.

Perhaps had Ana/Luke (V-L/D) skated without as many mistakes in the fp, and notched a more convincing win, the judges might have been swayed to go with them. As it is, V-L/D's errors kept them close to Jones/Boyardi in the overall standings. Meanwhile, J/B did not perform well in either sp or fp, and they lost both to V-L/D. Apparently, Zoe Jones was dealing with a neck injury. And there seems to be a lot of sentimentality in her and Boyardi's favor. J/B surely desire to compete at the Olympics, so I guess they are being rewarded for the visibility they brought to British pairs skating, and for all of their grit and gumption over the years. Still, J/B are not looking in great form right now at all. While V-L/D made mistakes, they have a nice look and have a great deal more potential at this point. Still, J/B carved a path and have given a lot of people inspiration by their very existence in high level competitive pairs skating.

Therefore, rewarding J/B with the Olympics seems fine. I would not send J/B to Worlds though. At a reduced Worlds (with the usual post-Olympics retirements), I think it's more advisable to let V-L/D go to get some more exposure and experience internationally in advance of next season.
 
Therefore, rewarding J/B with the Olympics seems fine. I would not send J/B to Worlds though. At a reduced Worlds (with the usual post-Olympics retirements), I think it's more advisable to let V-L/D go to get some more exposure and experience internationally in advance of next season.
Britain did not earn a pairs spot at the Olympics, so neither team will be appearing there. J/B have been selected for Europeans though.

I agree that V-L/D should receive the Worlds spot, they have the potential to develop well as a team over the next few years.
 
Britain did not earn a pairs spot at the Olympics, so neither team will be appearing there. J/B have been selected for Europeans though.

I agree that V-L/D should receive the Worlds spot, they have the potential to develop well as a team over the next few years.
Ah, thanks for the explanation. That's too bad GB can't send a pairs team to the Olympics. When was the last time GB got to send a pairs team to the Olympics I wonder. Certainly not as far back as the Nicks siblings!? I suppose it has to do with a scoring cut-off, and no team was able to reach those minimums? So, GB does get to send at least one or two ice dance teams? How about singles skaters?

Ana and Luke should definitely get the Worlds spot in this scenario. When will that assignment be decided? Do you know? Clearly Ana/Luke need the experience and the exposure going forward for next season!
 
Ah, thanks for the explanation. That's too bad GB can't send a pairs team to the Olympics. When was the last time GB got to send a pairs team to the Olympics I wonder. Certainly not as far back as the Nicks siblings!? I suppose it has to do with a scoring cut-off, and no team was able to reach those minimums? So, GB does get to send at least one or two ice dance teams? How about singles skaters?

Ana and Luke should definitely get the Worlds spot in this scenario. When will that assignment be decided? Do you know? Clearly Ana/Luke need the experience and the exposure going forward for next season!

The last pairs team from GB was back in 2014 - Stacey Kemp / David King. GB qualified for the Team Event that year. They qualified for one ID team this year (but 2 at Worlds - F/W did not confirm the second spot at Nebelhorn. They qualified for a spot in Women's this year at the Olympics, too.

Do V-L/D have the minimums?
 
There was a documentary about a year ago that was copyrighted and taken off youtube that I'm trying to find. It was about a young British skater and her family. She talked about how she adored gracie gold, how hard she worked, and her dream of the olympics. Her parents discussed the insane cost of everything, and also how their daughter was insecure about not having begun skating at 3 years old. There's a clip of the family watching gracie on tv, and the mother encourages her daughter by saying that gracie didn't start skating till age 8.
I think this documentary was an hour long. I'd like to watch it because before I could finish it, Youtube copyrighted it. I'm curious why there aren't any female skaters with top 10 potential in Britain. It can't be a small federation issue or lack of a country's interest because Belgium has Loena, and then there's Eva-Lotta and (pre injury) Olga mikutina , both from "small" federations. Not one superbly gifted woman's skater in a very long time....Does great Britain have rules against being taken out of school to be trained for a sport?
 
There was a documentary about a year ago that was copyrighted and taken off youtube that I'm trying to find. It was about a young British skater and her family. She talked about how she adored gracie gold, how hard she worked, and her dream of the olympics. Her parents discussed the insane cost of everything, and also how their daughter was insecure about not having begun skating at 3 years old. There's a clip of the family watching gracie on tv, and the mother encourages her daughter by saying that gracie didn't start skating till age 8.
I think this documentary was an hour long. I'd like to watch it because before I could finish it, Youtube copyrighted it. I'm curious why there aren't any female skaters with top 10 potential in Britain. It can't be a small federation issue or lack of a country's interest because Belgium has Loena, and then there's Eva-Lotta and (pre injury) Olga mikutina , both from "small" federations. Not one superbly gifted woman's skater in a very long time....Does great Britain have rules against being taken out of school to be trained for a sport?
Interesting questions, I'll do my best to reply.

Gracie Gold was kind enough to send a video message of encouragement to the skater in the documentary whose name was Lily Mathias. She's at college now and still skating in Blackpool, but she had switched to Dance and was placed 4th at the British Qualifier in August at Sheffield with partner Theo Alexander. They trained in London at Streatham with former Bulgarian Champions Mina Zdravkova & Chris Davis after their home rink of Lee Valley closed to be rebuilt as a Twin Pad with off ice facilities and some seating. A perfect venue to host a JGP so let's hope it happens after Lee Valley re-opens in 2022/23. Sadly Lily & Theo broke up shortly after the Qualifer.

No, GB hasn't had a Top 10 Ladies Skater since Joanne Conway in the late 80s/early 90s. Lowena is extremely talented, and a one off, she's not on a conveyor belt of talent from Belgium. The British Federation literally has no money, so unless your parents can afford to pay, you don't have much chance of progressing. Look at talented skaters from GB who have had to give up competition because they simply couldn't afford the costs any longer - PJ Hallam is the latest. No surprise several British Championships Medalists from this month come into the wealthy family category, good luck to them as they're also very talented and hard workers, so deserve their success. Or in special circumstances our current Ladies Champion is Scottish so receives financial help from the Scottish Sports Authority aswell as lots of sponsorship, she's a big star locally. But UK Sport which funds Olympic Sports cut off Skating's funding years ago, and they've struggled ever since. The last skaters who received a big grant, and I'm talking £40K, were the Kerrs. Our icedancers have always kept up a Top 10/GP/European medal winning presence over the years where our other disciplines haven't, eg. Steven Cousins was our last Top 10 Man. Without funding - however it's provided - it's impossible to progress in this sport. Plus, our Federation is not the most proactive or without criticism. Since I became a Fan, they've changed name and moved Offices 3 times. They're not very responsive to Fans at all.

No rules against home schooling, infact many skaters are home schooled. Sadly, showing talent at a young age hasn't always led to translating that to Senior level. I'm thinking of Genevieve Somerville who was doing 3Lutz in her first JGP aged 14, but now on the verge of Senior, she's lost the ability she had rather than progressed. Ofcourse a female body changes, grows and develops and this hinders jumping. Solo Dance is very big here which many girls choose over Singles. I think Elena Komova is our most promising for future success, she's come up from Basic Novice and all levels as Champion and is reigning GB Junior Champion. Hopefully she'll move to Senior next season and continue her progress. But I think we'll be waiting a long time to find someone as good as Lowena.
 
I've read today that Lithuania hasn't issued Allison Reed with citizenship so they're unlikely to go to Olympics. They finished above Sasha & George at Nebelhorn, so I'm counting down till they get the spot. How many more to go?
 
I'm curious why there aren't any female skaters with top 10 potential in Britain. It can't be a small federation issue or lack of a country's interest because Belgium has Loena, and then there's Eva-Lotta and (pre injury) Olga mikutina , both from "small" federations. Not one superbly gifted woman's skater in a very long time....Does great Britain have rules against being taken out of school to be trained for a sport?
I'm pretty sure that Loena along with her brother were solely funded by their family until she started finding sponsors and getting support from the Belgian Fed. Ice time in the UK is limited (rinks were closed most of last year due to ice skating being classed as a hobby) and there is no funding. Also top coaches tend to be based abroad. But I have hope for ice dance, I also think we are building good momentum for the 2026 Olympics!

In answer to the post above, I believe there is a younger LTU dance couple who may be eligible to go in the absence of R/A. R/A weren't at Nebelhorn as they qualified 15th at Worlds?
 
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