2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[alexocfp]

The petition is embarrassing for Liza.
She still has a chance to be on the Olympic team because of Health issues to the other girls that may arise. But the petition even if Liza has nothing to do with it will not make Anya and sasha happy.

But I'm afraid the girls won't want Liza on the team after this petition nonsense because it's like bleeping on everything they've done. Maya would probably be the alternate if KV or EG gets to make the choice.

How can you not do 3 - 3s and expect to be on the Russian Olympic team?
Is the key word is Russian. That would work in America but not Russia.

To be fair, it’s not Liza that started it. So we can’t hold something she didn’t do against her.

As a Liza fan, I distance myself from this as well.

It caught my attention because it’s so over the top. The results weren’t lawless or an example of nepotism. Or is Trusova Eteri’s secret daughter? That’s a bigger story than the petition. Haha

I can’t speak for the entire fan base, but I can speak for me. Congratulations Trusova and good luck at the Olympics.

Won’t turn into the type of fans I despise: those that say bad things about the skaters that beat their favorites.

 

[alexocfp]

I am surprised anyone would at this stage doubt Trusova. She demonstrated athletic qualities second to none this season.

Well, she hasn’t exactly been Ms Clutch. She has fallen a lot during competions.

But that doesn’t matter right now. She earned a silver at the biggest event of the year, so that washes away what happened before.

 

[lariko]

Well, she hasn’t exactly been Ms Clutch. She has fallen a lot during competions.

But that doesn’t matter right now. She earned a silver at the biggest event of the year, so that washes away what happened before.

I saw Trusova land 4Lz on fractured foot. And less than two months later, deliver 3 out of 4 quads, two of them 4Lz in combination with a triple. I can’t remember ever seeing two 4Lz plus triple combos in the same free. In my books, this qualifies as insanely great.

 

[alexocfp]

I saw Trusova land 4Lz on fractured foot. And less than two months later, deliver 3 out of 4 quads, two of them 4Lz in combination with a triple. I can’t remember ever seeing two 4Lz plus triple combos in the same free. In my books, this qualifies as insanely great.

But do you remember her in Boston or last years world championships? Especially in the SP at that event.

Don’t think anyone would argue that she isn’t talented. But she isn’t automatic when it comes to competition. She is prone to falls.

But we are going in circles. She delivered when it mattered this weekend and earned her Olympic spot. We can at least agree on that.

 

[lariko]

But do you remember her in Boston or last years world championships? Especially in the SP at that event.

Don’t think anyone would argue that she isn’t talented. But she isn’t automatic when it comes to competition. She is prone to falls.

But we are going in circles. She delivered when it mattered this weekend and earned her Olympic spot. We can at least agree on that.

Of course she did. And my post you quoted qualifies ‘this season’.

 

[Scott512]

To be fair, it’s not Liza that started it. So we can’t hold something she didn’t do against her.

As a Liza fan, I distance myself from this as well.

It caught my attention because it’s so over the top. The results weren’t lawless or an example of nepotism. Or is Trusova Eteri’s secret daughter? That’s a bigger story than the petition. Haha

I can’t speak for the entire fan base, but I can speak for me. Congratulations Trusova and good luck at the Olympics.

Won’t turn into the type of fans I despise: those that say bad things about the skaters that beat their favorites.

It's a strange situation and Liza is not a part of this.

 

[alexocfp]

Won’t even comment on this because others are going to do a better job than me. Someone alleging drug use against Anna and Trusova.

Jealousy is a hell of a drug though.

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People here are not tired with their meaningless "analysis". Kamila was overscored? Kamila, the best skater ever with 2 3As and 3 clean quads was overscored? Kaori who is a subpar to Kamila skater in every department and who scored 234 without a single Ultra-C jump - that's the embodiment of overscoring. And even then I would not go miles to profess my indignance. Who cares? It's nationals and Kaori is the best Japanese skater now. Valieva is the best skater overall with a big margin over anyone. Nitpicking on her scores is the same as doing it for clean Nathan's and Yuzuru's performances with 320+ scores. Who cares if they are overscored or not when they just better than the rest?

As for Anna, she was not at her best during the FP - I was there and I felt it. She was still quite convincing during the SP and Liza blew her only chance. The only meaninful drama at the beginning was Anna vs. Sasha vs. Liza in the battle for 2 chairs with 3 players. After SP Anna was the one who had a safety cushion vs. both of them: 7 points over Sasha, 10 points over Liza. In the FP Sasha did Sasha with 3 landed quads. She received 20 points more than Anna. Sasha is in the team no questions asked. Then Anna vs. Liza. Liza could overcome 10 point shortage only with a clean as a whistle 2 3As and 3Lz-3T instead of 3Lz-2A+SEQ. Even with such a layout that she could be ahead of Anna only if the latter had a big time meltdown. She didn't - the fall on 4F is not the reason to lose 10 point advantage when the rest of jumping content was delivered.

The facts are: Liza was lagging 10 points, Liza had a stepout in FP, Liza did not have a 3Lz-3T which she showed earlier this season, Anna was not at her best but she did not have a meltdown. In what universe would Liza win?

All other lengthy complaints and "analysis" are meaningless. I just skipped those contributions from "usual suspects". Who cares if juniors were underscored vs. Anna or not? Samodelkina, Petrosyan, and Muravieva will have their chances among seniors next year. Winning over Anna now is of no importance - she is not their competitor. What they should care about is their relative placements (which was quite close) and Akatieva + Zhilina.

Valieva may stay after the Olympics - she is just too perfect. Trusova may stay after Olympics - she has the grit and ambitions that are likely won't be satisfied this season. However, Anna will likely go. She is the world champion, she was 3 time Russian champion. 99% is that was her ceiling. Why continue? I may be wrong, of course. But if she does not bring back her quads chances to remain on top are, alas, non-existent. And, of course, I don't believe that Liza will continue next year same as Alyona.

So Tier 1 next season will likely be Valieva, Trusova, Muravieva, Samodelkina, Petrosyan, Zhilina - I don't know if some of them are not age eligible to stay another year in juniors. To watch are Kromykh, Usacheva, and Zinina. It's a bad luck for Akatieva to miss just a week for senior eligibility. Then whatever she brings to next Rusnats is not that relevant.

However, there is a chance that a ("bad word") proposal to increase the age for seniors will be taken. Then FED, Eteri and whoever may ask Anna and Alyona to stay for another year or so. So what? Alina was not motivated after the Olympics. But she stayed and won the next WC. And she retired when the new generation was senior eligible. So even if the age is raised we shall have one or two seasons when 17-19 year old "veterans" will "fill the void". And then the system will adjust. Russia will have the necessary number of 17+ skaters at the top level.

I still hope that this decision which has no sense whatsoever will not be made so that we shall see Sofia Akatieva in seniors in 2023-24 season.

 

[flanker]

Well I of course hope Anna stays. Despite Kamila's flawlessness it's Anna whose skating brings me much joy. I also think that she is still too competitive to retire.

 

[lariko]

Zhilina

I think Zhilina won’t be old enough still, plus her injury rate keeps her out of competition more than in competition so far.

 

[lurkerghost1]

People here are not tired with their meaningless "analysis". Kamila was overscored? Kamila, the best skater ever with 2 3As and 3 clean quads was overscored? Kaori who is a subpar to Kamila skater in every department and who scored 234 without a single Ultra-C jump - that's the embodiment of overscoring. And even then I would not go miles to profess my indignance. Who cares? It's nationals and Kaori is the best Japanese skater now. Valieva is the best skater overall with a big margin over anyone. Nitpicking on her scores is the same as doing it for clean Nathan's and Yuzuru's performances with 320+ scores. Who cares if they are overscored or not when they just better than the rest?

As for Anna, she was not at her best during the FP - I was there and I felt it. She was still quite convincing during the SP and Liza blew her only chance. The only meaninful drama at the beginning was Anna vs. Sasha vs. Liza in the battle for 2 chairs with 3 players. After SP Anna was the one who had a safety cushion vs. both of them: 7 points over Sasha, 10 points over Liza. In the FP Sasha did Sasha with 3 landed quads. She received 20 points more than Anna. Sasha is in the team no questions asked. Then Anna vs. Liza. Liza could overcome 10 point shortage only with a clean as a whistle 2 3As and 3Lz-3T instead of 3Lz-2A+SEQ. Even with such a layout that she could be ahead of Anna only if the latter had a big time meltdown. She didn't - the fall on 4F is not the reason to lose 10 point advantage when the rest of jumping content was delivered.

The facts are: Liza was lagging 10 points, Liza had a stepout in FP, Liza did not have a 3Lz-3T which she showed earlier this season, Anna was not at her best but she did not have a meltdown. In what universe would Liza win?

agree, Liza was not at her best too. If she nailed her short program she would have scored ~81 but she fell on 3A and did a -2T instead of 3T. In the free she lost another 2-3 points with 3Lz+2A+SEQ instead of 3Lz-3T. Only if she had been whistle clean and scored around ~238, then Anna's generous scoring would have mattered a lot with a small point gap between them but as it happened Liza took herself out of the running with the short. A scandal avoided.

All other lengthy complaints and "analysis" are meaningless. I just skipped those contributions from "usual suspects". Who cares if juniors were underscored vs. Anna or not? Samodelkina, Petrosyan, and Muravieva will have their chances among seniors next year. Winning over Anna now is of no importance - she is not their competitor. What they should care about is their relative placements (which was quite close) and Akatieva + Zhilina.

Yes, it's shocking that these 3 phenomenal juniors might not even make the junior worlds team much less a GP slot next season despite likely appearing on the national team next year. But such is the depth with Akatieva and Zhilina probably the best skaters Russia has produced yet besides Valieva.

Valieva may stay after the Olympics - she is just too perfect. Trusova may stay after Olympics - she has the grit and ambitions that are likely won't be satisfied this season. However, Anna will likely go. She is the world champion, she was 3 time Russian champion. 99% is that was her ceiling. Why continue? I may be wrong, of course. But if she does not bring back her quads chances to remain on top are, alas, non-existent. And, of course, I don't believe that Liza will continue next year same as Alyona.

So Tier 1 next season will likely be Valieva, Trusova, Muravieva, Samodelkina, Petrosyan, Zhilina - I don't know if some of them are not age eligible to stay another year in juniors. To watch are Kromykh, Usacheva, and Zinina. It's a bad luck for Akatieva to miss just a week for senior eligibility. Then whatever she brings to next Rusnats is not that relevant.

Zhilina is in juniors another year with Akatieva. I think Liza will stay actually because she loves skating, she said wants to land the quad jumps and learn 4Lz, and as she has seen last year with the younger girls being injured all the time there are opportunities for her to go to Worlds which will probably continue. Even this year she has a good chance of going to worlds assuming Anna or Sasha withdraw w/ injury and she will be 1st alternate. A year ago after cup finals she seemed to be #7 below Eteri's six skaters but with injuries and inconsistency, she is #4 again and could become #3.

I agree Anna will likely be finished after this season. Aliona said she wants to continue another 4 years, so for now I will assume she is in. So my guess for the national team next season is Valieva Trusova Tuktamysheva Samodelkina Petrosyan Muravieva, reserve team Kostornaia Khromykh Usacheva. Zinina and Sinitsyna will be the unlucky two not to get grand prix spots.

If Anna does continue next season then the national team discussion becomes very difficult indeed. I guess bump Tuk or Muravieva to the reserve team and kick out Usacheva from the reserves and the GP team.

 

[Greengemmonster]

Has Anna said anything about finishing up after this season???

 

[MCsAngel2]

I think there will be a skate off of sorts at Europeans between Anna and Sasha for the number 2 spot behind KV.

Anya is currently number 2 because she's beaten Sasha all the time the last 3 years except at the recent Russian nationals. But it's not a solid number 2 for Anya I will admit that.

Doesn't work like that. All that matters are the current national standings. The standings say that Sasha is the #2 woman in Russia, and the Russian federation rules state that the #1 and #2 skaters are guaranteed spots at Europeans and Olympics, no skate off required. Only Anna is not yet assigned a spot on the Olympic team.

 

[Amei]

Doesn't work like that. All that matters are the current national standings. The standings say that Sasha is the #2 woman in Russia, and the Russian federation rules state that the #1 and #2 skaters are guaranteed spots at Europeans and Olympics, no skate off required. Only Anna is not yet assigned a spot on the Olympic team.

Technically speaking, the selection announcement was for Europeans - Olympics, while unlikely to change, could change should someone under-perform at Europeans

https://www.sports.ru/figure-skatin...-semenenko-byla-predlozhena-vvidu-ego-bo.html

 

[karina17]

Has Anna said anything about finishing up after this season???

No.

"I don't want to make any predictions, but I want to skate for a long time. I understand that it is impossible to go a long way smoothly, there will be ups and downs. But I think my love for figure skating will help me overcome all difficulties and be happy with the good things that will come along the way,"

From her Russia Beyond interview published in March 2021. And this is from 2020:

"I can't imagine the end of my career. I certainly have a lot to say in figure skating. I think you should retire when you feel you've done all you wanted to do. When I stop understanding why do i come to the practice - then it will be the time to retire. Otherwise why overcome yourself if you don't enjoy it and don't need it? As long as there is motivation and health you should go on. There is no certain age when you have to retire. If you can - skate till the age of 30. In our country it's hard because of the high level competition. If you are not on the top you will not make it to the main competitions. In other countries it's easier, you don't have to show the best and still participate the Europeans/Worlds/Olympics. It decides a lot as well."

 

[Arbitrary]

Regarding the next season, Trusova once mentioned she wants to continue her competitive career till the coaches and Fed bear her at the ice.
Anna (AFAIR) never talked how long she's going to skate.

 

[lopsilceci]

Can't believe there's people who actually believe Liza should go to the Olympics over Anna...
Anna, the only skater who has ever beaten Kamila? The only one out of 3A who has consistently delivered strong results and proven that she has nerves of steel in high-stake competitions since all 3 turned senior?

Liza had a good FP but as many have already said, her BV is still lower than Anna's with the fall on her quad. Having 3A's is not enough for russian ladies unless they have strong combos and other strong elements too.
As for why Anna only went for 1 quad, I think it probably had more to do with being cautious rather than injury or something like that. She might have gone for another one if the first one had worked. She and the coaches knew it would be enough with 1 quad and the goal was not to win this time, but to secure a place on the podium. She got the job done.

As for the SP, Muravyova should have never been ahead of Anna, even before the belated deduction. That was definitely a dumb move the judges had to do to correct their mistake. Even the japanese didn't place Mana over Kaori and Wakaba in the SP, when Mana landed 3A and Kaori and Wakaba didn't.

 

[Fried]

As for the SP, Muravyova should have never been ahead of Anna, even before the belated deduction. That was definitely a dumb move the judges had to do to correct their mistake. Even the japanese didn't place Mana over Kaori and Wakaba in the SP, when Mana landed 3A and Kaori and Wakaba didn't.

What a ridiculous argument. Basically the same level as "Liza deserves to go to the Olympics".

 

[Azikin]

Anna (AFAIR) never talked how long she's going to skate.

If you don't remember, you should have at least read the last post before yours with the quote from her.
She always said that she can't imagine her life without skating and I don't think that changed..

 

[Fried]

In any case, it will be interesting to see how everything turns out. A year ago there was the winter fairy tale with Eteri streaked with tears, this year Anna didn't even get a look from a distance when she left the ice. I don't actually pay any attention to such things, but considering that Anna is such an overly correct person, I find it remarkable that she only thanked very generally in her Instagram post. The coach was not mentioned. Eteri always squeezes between Kamilla and Sasha in the shared photos. Anna can make do with Daniil. Taken all of this together, it makes you think a bit.