2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Jontor]

I would agree with you on that point, but Kamila is as strong as a tank. She's not little frail Yulia Lipnitskaya with sketchy/tiny technique. And since Kamila is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much ahead of the rest of the world, and all she needs to do is get a first place in her segments without worrying about a numerical score, she could water down her Team LP or just consider it an official "practice". Kamila only needs to be average to do her part for a Russia Team Gold. It makes sense for her to do both for the sake of the team.

Totally agree. I think people overthink the Lipnitskaya 2014 story. Remember that Olympics was in Russia. Lipnitskaya was exhausted because of the huge media madness after the Team Event.

That will not be the case this time around. As I understand it, the competitions will be in a strict bubble. I'm sure Kamila can pull it off in both competitions.

 

[Amei]

Totally agree. I think people overthink the Lipnitskaya 2014 story. Remember that Olympics was in Russia. Lipnitskaya was exhausted because of the huge media madness after the Team Event.

That will not be the case this time around. As I understand it, the competitions will be in a strict bubble. I'm sure Kamila can pull it off in both competitions.

Well Lipnitskaya was pretty solid prior to the individual event and its not like Valieva doesn't have technique issues, and do they really want to chance it and blow up Valieva's individual shot when there are 2 extremely competent alternates for the team event? Additionally, while both girls would probably keep their mouths shut to the press - could you imagine how pissed both Shcherbakova and Trusova would be? Zagitova was solid and they still substituted in Medvedeva for the team event even though she was injured that season and from what we know neither Shcherbakova or Trusova are injured at this time.

I can justify a multitude of scenarios for the Team event, and any scenario has very little cons beside ticking off the skater(s) that don't go to the team event.

• 1 skater does both events
  • Pros: They don't have to decide who is the odd woman out
  • Cons: Last time the Fed put it on 1 woman's shoulders to go rock-solid for 4 programs blew up in their faces and partially ruined a skater. Additionally they would likely be ticking off 2 very decorated skaters considering the last Olympics the Fed willingly substituted an injured skater for the team event
• Split the team event with Valieva/Shcherbakova
  • Pros: not wearing 1 skater out
  • Cons: none
• Split the event with Valieva/Trusova
  • Pros: not wearing a skater out, *Does the Fed perhaps give the FS to Trusova to let her have 5 quad attempt with the condition that she plays it safe and thus not risk the sweep in the individual event?
  • Cons: none
• Split the event with Shcherbakova/Trusova
  • Pros: not wearing anyone out, and similar to Sotnikova lighting a fire under Valieva for the individual event, and considering how solid she looks for the individual gold right now - all 3 skaters go home OGMs (unless implosions happen in the team event)
  • Cons: none

 

[Jontor]

Well Lipnitskaya was pretty solid prior to the individual event and its not like Valieva doesn't have technique issues, and do they really want to chance it and blow up Valieva's individual shot when there are 2 extremely competent alternates for the team event? Additionally, while both girls would probably keep their mouths shut to the press - could you imagine how pissed both Shcherbakova and Trusova would be? Zagitova was solid and they still substituted in Medvedeva for the team event even though she was injured that season and from what we know neither Shcherbakova or Trusova are injured at this time.

I can justify a multitude of scenarios for the Team event, and any scenario has very little cons beside ticking off the skater(s) that don't go to the team event.

• 1 skater does both events
  • Pros: They don't have to decide who is the odd woman out
  • Cons: Last time the Fed put it on 1 woman's shoulders to go rock-solid for 4 programs blew up in their faces and partially ruined a skater. Additionally they would likely be ticking off 2 very decorated skaters considering the last Olympics the Fed willingly substituted an injured skater for the team event
• Split the team event with Valieva/Shcherbakova
  • Pros: not wearing 1 skater out
  • Cons: none
• Split the event with Valieva/Trusova
  • Pros: not wearing a skater out, *Does the Fed perhaps give the FS to Trusova to let her have 5 quad attempt with the condition that she plays it safe and thus not risk the sweep in the individual event?
  • Cons: none
• Split the event with Shcherbakova/Trusova
  • Pros: not wearing anyone out, and similar to Sotnikova lighting a fire under Valieva for the individual event, and considering how solid she looks for the individual gold right now - all 3 skaters go home OGMs (unless implosions happen in the team event)
  • Cons: none

I disagree, but good post!

 

[Minz]

I can justify a multitude of scenarios for the Team event, and any scenario has very little cons beside ticking off the skater(s) that don't go to the team event.

That's the problem - no matter how you put it, someone gets left out. A skater who is very much deserving of an Olympic Medal.

 

[shcherbakovalove]

Well the situation is not that simple

They can only spilt 2 of 4 disciplines. First going to the men of course, since it’s only 2 days between the individual and the team event. No one can skate 4 times in 6 days. That’s insane.

The second, imo, they will split the dance. Sin/Kats definitely not healthy enough to do both. And Eteri will want her daughter to have an OGM. So probably S/K for RD and D/S for FD.

So that means the women and pair with have to do both. Maybe it’ll be Kamila and Mishina/Galliamov. Kamila stuck with both and hopefully it goes better for her than it did Yulia....

Agree but I’ll take SinKats for the short and StepBuk for the free

 

[shcherbakovalove]

Split the event with Shcherbakova/Trusova

• Pros: not wearing anyone out, and similar to Sotnikova lighting a fire under Valieva for the individual event, and considering how solid she looks for the individual gold right now - all 3 skaters go home OGMs (unless implosions happen in the team event)
• Cons: none

No way Sherbs / Sasha does the short. Those Japanese girl can take it. They need someone with reliable 3A for the short(Kamila). And the strongest will never be left out

 

[Amei]

No way Sherbs / Sasha does the short. Those Japanese girl can take it. They need someone with reliable 3A for the short and the only person is Kamila

While this is against different judging panels - Shcherbakova and Trusova have the highest SP scores after Valieva and Tuktamysheva on the Grand prix circuit. Additionally, the team event is cumulative so if they were to end up second to Japan its not the end of the world, Russia should definitely place over Japan in ice dance and pairs.

 

[Scott512]

Yes let Kolyada do both and bring back the 2018 disaster. Russia lost gold bcz of him remember?

No way for Misha doing both. after 2018 and him costing Zhenya the gold medal in the team event. But some people rave about his free skate. Okay. I don't know I don't follow the men but Mark won nationals so he better get the SP.

It's time to go with the younger guys and build for the future. If Misha gets a program and a team event keep your fingers crossed. The pressure on him will be big.

 

[Scott512]

No way Sherbs / Sasha does the short. Those Japanese girl can take it. They need someone with reliable 3A for the short(Kamila). And the strongest will never be left out

Anna has a nice short program. It will score 80 plus point at the Olympics. But I guess I can see the point of view to have KV do the short and then sasha do the free with her high BV.

 

[Arbitrary]

I'm afraid the RusFed may rule Kamila for SP, Anna for FP and "kindly ask" Sasha to participate in the men FP event. She may, potentially, score above Kolyada or Semenenko...
Thus both FFKKR favorites are kept fresh for the individual event and Sasha is disposed off. A medal is still a medal.

 

[Azikin]

I'm afraid the RusFed may rule Kamila for SP, Anna for FP and "kindly ask" Sasha to participate in the men FP event.

No, it's not possible, she would have to cut her hair and she would never do that..

 

[Arbitrary]

No, it's not possible, she would have to cut her hair and she would never do that..

Not necessary. Sasha may say she positions herself as a male skater with long hairs.
Don't know if it's legal for pre-18th or pre-21st, so? Ageism as it is.

 

[Ziotic]

Yes let Kolyada do both and bring back the 2018 disaster. Russia lost gold bcz of him remember?

Kolyada didn’t help, but they still

While this is against different judging panels - Shcherbakova and Trusova have the highest SP scores after Valieva and Tuktamysheva on the Grand prix circuit. Additionally, the team event is cumulative so if they were to end up second to Japan its not the end of the world, Russia should definitely place over Japan in ice dance and pairs.

Wakaba actually has a higher score than Anna and Sasha internationally although not at a GP, she could easily beat them with a clean skate in the short.

 

[Scott512]

Anna is Eteris's unofficial 3rd daughter. She has trained at Sambo 70 and for like 13 years. Are we to think that Anna will not have a chance to be in the team event? This fairy girl as they call her will come out breathing fire at Europeans!

 

[jenaj]

Anna is Eteris's unofficial 3rd daughter. She has trained at Sambo 70 and for like 13 years. Are we to think that Anna will not have a chance to be in the team event? This fairy girl as they call her will come out breathing fire at Europeans!

I predict Anna will skate the short and Kamila the long.

 

[Ziotic]

I predict Anna will skate the short and Kamila the long.

With that kind of strategy Russia deserves to lose the gold.

 

[Amei]

Anna is Eteris's unofficial 3rd daughter. She has trained at Sambo 70 and for like 13 years. Are we to think that Anna will not have a chance to be in the team event? This fairy girl as they call her will come out breathing fire at Europeans!

We shall know in probably 3-4 weeks (Team event starts February 4th I believe) how they will split the event, granted we have to remember they can only swap twice between all 4 discipline so that also plays into it. Who knows if Shcherbakova's loyalty to Eteri will play into her politicking for Shcherbakova for the team event especially when all 3 ladies are Eteri's skaters or her 3 National titles and reigning WC title play into it. Or did Shcherbakova blow her shot at the team event with the less than ideal skate at Nationals finishing below Trusova and the Fed go with Trusova and all her quads.

Anna is Eteris's unofficial 3rd daughter. She has trained at Sambo 70 and for like 13 years. Are we to think that Anna will not have a chance to be in the team event? This fairy girl as they call her will come out breathing fire at Europeans!

I hope so, not necessarily to impact the team event selection but to shut up the various personalities about her being selected for the Olympics. **Which if someone didn't watch her FS at Nationals and just listened to the various personalities talk about it, you would think that she had a splat fest with multiple falls - she fell on 1 of the hardest elements done in ladies skating and had shaky landing on a backloaded triple-triple; was her skate deserving the score she got - not really but Nationals scoring is generally pretty bad, but all in all her FS wasn't that bad of a skate.

 

[Riv]

Yes let Kolyada do both and bring back the 2018 disaster. Russia lost gold bcz of him remember?

Nope. This is wrong. Even if Kolyada skated as good as he could Russia would've still lost.

 

[Amei]

Nope. This is wrong. Even if Kolyada skated as good as he could Russia would've still lost.

Yep, Canada had 73 points vs. Russia's 66, if we are playing the 'Kolyada is solely to blame for the team not getting gold': Kolyada would have needed to finish first in the men's SP event just to tie Canada, assuming Patrick keeps his same finishing spot in the SP.

 

[lurkerghost1]

I predict Anna will skate the short and Kamila the long.

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