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Yulia Lipnitskaya skating again 
I'm curious to see a fuller excerpt of her in dance hold!
I'm curious to see a fuller excerpt of her in dance hold!
2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating
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That's a very good point about the SP.
Why don't you care about the team event? It means more olympic figure skating.
I’m not completely convinced but if Kamila skates the short, Trusova, not Anna, should skate the long.
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It's not debatable, math is not debatable, Russia needed 7 points to at least tie Canada, 8 points to win. the conversation started because someone said Russia lost gold because of Kolyada - Kolyada's SP disaster certainly played a role however it was not exclusively the reason.
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So, tell me, what's wrong with my math? Kolyada was 8th with 74. Chan was 3rd with 81. Bychenko was 2nd with 88. Chan was skating before Kolyada and did quite poorly. Kolyada could go safe not attempting 4Lz which opened the road to disaster. Scoring 89 and beating Bychenko was not the greatest feat and could be done with a much safer layout. If Michail indeed scored 89+ he would be 2nd and Patrick 4th. Then Canada and Russia would have a tie with 72 points, other things being equal. In my humble opinion there is nothing wrong with this math and there is indeed rationale behind claims that Michail's disastrous SP cost Russia the team gold.
Its a toss-up on who you would go with for the FS: Shcherbakova has been more reliable because she doesn't bite off too much in regards to quads whereas Trusova has a tendency to have splatfests. Though I don't believe Trusova has had a splatfest that has caused her to lose to a non-Russian skater.
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Remember at Skate America when Sasha struggled with her injury and skated with an easier layout in her FS. She only jumped a 4Lz and only had triples otherwise. She could do the same layout in the Team Event. I´m sure she can handle a different layout like she did in SA. She got over 13 points in GOE alone, her TES was around 85 only with one quad and her total score in the FS was 154,68.
If Sasha is healthy from her injury I would rather have her for the FS in the Team Event with only one or maybe even 2 quads and triples otherwise. I think it´s better that Sasha skates an easier program rather than Anna skates her normal program. I think it will affect Anna more in the singles event if she skates two full program in Beijing, than if Sasha skates one easier and one normal. But I do agree that Sasha should not compete her normal 5 quads program in both disciplines.
Anna could, under normal circumstances, get a bigger score with only one quad in her FS than Sasha, but if Kamila skates the SP it won´t matter I think, and then it´s better if Anna saves her energy for the singles event.
This is what I would do from the current situation, but it also depends that Sasha is healthy from her injury. She sure looked in good form at Nationals, but it´s hard to tell.
If Sasha is healthy from her injury I would rather have her for the FS in the Team Event with only one or maybe even 2 quads and triples otherwise. I think it´s better that Sasha skates an easier program rather than Anna skates her normal program. I think it will affect Anna more in the singles event if she skates two full program in Beijing, than if Sasha skates one easier and one normal. But I do agree that Sasha should not compete her normal 5 quads program in both disciplines.
Anna could, under normal circumstances, get a bigger score with only one quad in her FS than Sasha, but if Kamila skates the SP it won´t matter I think, and then it´s better if Anna saves her energy for the singles event.
This is what I would do from the current situation, but it also depends that Sasha is healthy from her injury. She sure looked in good form at Nationals, but it´s hard to tell.
Anna with 3 underrotations, 3 unclear edge and a quad fall at Budapest trophy still got a higher FS score than the highest non Russian FS score this season from Kaori. It is literally impossible for a non Russian to score over her, because her goe and pcs is inflated beyond reach. She could do no quads and still be guaranteed a bronze even if Wakaba or Alysa skated their programs clean with their 3a.
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If Kamila is healthy she will skate SP - any other scenario is impossible. FS is a choice: Kamila, Anna or Sasha. Here I believe the key factor is if S/K can skate both programs. If they split dance I am sure that Kamila will skate both programs because I think that they are going to split pairs. If S/K are doing both segments then they will split either men or women. And we shall find the answer quite soon during the Europeans. If Kolyada bombs SP and Kondratyuk shines they may give Mark the SP. If Kolyada wins both segments among the Russians they will give the full event and they will split ladies. And again it will be a show-off between Anna and Sasha. If Sasha vs. Liza was the key drama of the Nationals, Sasha vs. Anna is the key drama of the Europeans. Anna's task is easier: she has to do a clean SP and land a 4F in a FP. Her FS score will be around 160 and this will be more than enough to beat any non-Russian competition at the Olympics. Anna's reigning world champion status, her known stability under pressure will make her a safe bet for the maximum score in team women event. Beating Anna with 5-10 point margin will not be enough for Sasha to earn the team spot. Hence, her task will be much harder: to land 4 quads. She landed 5 quads during the test skates but "only" 3 ones during the Rusnats. And "only" refers not to the number which is still ridiculously high but to her fall on one quad. Because if she falls once she may fall twice and even more. And that's a risk. So, I think that the Fed won't be able to deny Sasha a team spot for the FS if at the Europeans she lands 4 quads and scores 175+ Again, I don't know f they are going to split women in the first place.
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I am not sure if I understood correctly how Anna is going to save energy for the singles event. One thing is sure - both Anna and Sasha will strive to get into the team as this is the only realistic chance for them to become Olympic champions. And while in the team they will do their best to prove that they are worth the Olympic gold.
I would think that for Anna it's quite the opposite. She does not have to save the energy for the singles event. With her usual routine of 1 4F and 3 triple-triple combos she has no non-Russian competition even if she falls on the quad. And she can do nothing about Kamila and Sasha. If Sasha goes for 4 quads and lands 3 of them even with 1 fall Anna will likely lose the silver. If Sasha lands 3 clean quads and the rest will be triples, again, Anna will likely lose the silver. However, with 2 falls or with reduced difficulty to "just" 2 quads Anna will have the advantage. Sasha can level it up landing a 3A at the SP. But she has failed so far and it might not worth a risk to try it at the OG and fall again.
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I don‘t understand this. Why does Anna have to score only 160 in the FS and land one quad, while Sasha has to score 175 and land four? What‘s the logic behind that? Sasha already beat Anna at Nationals, she‘s shown she can get a high FS score internationally with only one quad (154), so why shouldn‘t a clean skate with two quads be enough?
Anna has scored 147, 165 and 151 internationally in the FS this season. Sasha, who only competed twice, got 142 and 154. (their SP scores, for comparison, are 74 and 77 for Sasha versus 74, 71 and 77 for Anna) They‘re much closer this season than people want to admit and Anna hasn‘t really been as consistent yet. Since Sasha beat her at Nationals (the most important qualifying competition), it would be supremely unfair if she had to beat her AGAIN and with 15 points to spare. She’s done it once and when it counted most. Now it‘s up to Anna to rise to the challenge and win back her spot as the Russian #2.
Separately, I don‘t really see a scenario where they decide to split the men instead of the women. Kolyada has less of a chance at an individual medal whereas Kamila is skating for the OGM. And the Russian women (granted, the pairs as well) have been the best in the world for years. I‘d hate to see either Anna or Sasha miss out on a guaranteed Gold.
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Kami should do short.
we can talk about scoring as much as we want, but is a fact that kami is the only one nobody have a single edge over so she should do it.
Anna has no 3A and so she's vulnerable on that side.
Sasha has an unstable 3A and she's also vulnerable on performace.
A 100% Anna could do it but the Anna we saw this year (not only at nationals) is not dominant on the SP.
If Sasha miss the 3A she could finish 5th
On FS on the other side, bot Anna and Sasha ave a big advantage over any competition.
I'm absolutely againsta sacrifying Kami to the team.
She deserves to go for the individual gold in the best possibile condition.
She gained that right with a superb season and it would not be right to have her pay for this.
The men calendar looks impossible for 4 programs, but let's be realistic: the only chance a man has not based on "being my special day plus multiple of the best flopping" is the team event, so I would give it all there and try to use the moral boost to skate again two days later.
Quads may even be easier on a light mind intoxicated by gold.
Adding to the man reasoning, two "common" men getting out of the team event against only one of these extraordinaly girls would be a mortal sin... if, in addition, some dance couple gets a medal instead of S/B or S/K the ice should melt and the building collapse before the medal cerimony.
we can talk about scoring as much as we want, but is a fact that kami is the only one nobody have a single edge over so she should do it.
Anna has no 3A and so she's vulnerable on that side.
Sasha has an unstable 3A and she's also vulnerable on performace.
A 100% Anna could do it but the Anna we saw this year (not only at nationals) is not dominant on the SP.
If Sasha miss the 3A she could finish 5th
On FS on the other side, bot Anna and Sasha ave a big advantage over any competition.
I'm absolutely againsta sacrifying Kami to the team.
She deserves to go for the individual gold in the best possibile condition.
She gained that right with a superb season and it would not be right to have her pay for this.
The men calendar looks impossible for 4 programs, but let's be realistic: the only chance a man has not based on "being my special day plus multiple of the best flopping" is the team event, so I would give it all there and try to use the moral boost to skate again two days later.
Quads may even be easier on a light mind intoxicated by gold.
Adding to the man reasoning, two "common" men getting out of the team event against only one of these extraordinaly girls would be a mortal sin... if, in addition, some dance couple gets a medal instead of S/B or S/K the ice should melt and the building collapse before the medal cerimony.
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If i'm the Russian federation, I would train T/M for the team event (both short and free), and M/G and B/K to fight for the individual gold against S/H. The same way i would train Sasha (her 3A especially) and Anna for the team event, and Kamila for the individual gold. I would train Kolyada for the team event (both short and free), because realistically he has no chance in the individual event against three Japanese and two Americans. And split the dance, with S/K doing the short and S/B doing free. That's way S/B will go in the next quad as one of the frontrunners for the individual gold, taking the fact that many top ice dance teams won't competitively skate after the Olympics.
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In my suggestion I didn´t bring in factors like what the skaters want themselves and how much the Team Event gold means for them. It was pure strategical thinking about how the Federation can put on a plan to get most out of OG and collect medals. I see someone mention that it would be Sashas and Annas only chance at gold at OG. I did not think about it that way. But for me it raises a question: Do the skaters rather want a gold in Team Event than an individual podium? I thought gold, silver and bronze in singles was more important that an a Gold in the Team Event. Of course they probably want both, but if for example Sasha or Anna skates the FS it could cost one of them an individual podium if it affects their stamina in the singles event.
I have to agree with that the Team Event should have been after the individuals.
I have to agree with that the Team Event should have been after the individuals.
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If Sasha doesnt land her 3A at Europeans, should she still try it at the Olympics? She's unpredictable enough that I can imagine her landing it for the first time when it matters most. But it seems improbable. If she does land it, she still wouldn't challenge a clean Kamila for gold. If she doesnt, it's unlikely to make a difference between her and Anna for the silver. That'll be how many quads each of them land in the FS. It seems low risk low reward to me.
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The logic is simple: Anna is more reliable and less prone to meltdowns. Kolyada had international SP score above 100 points during the pre Olympic season. His task was to score "just" 89 to be 2nd and he failed it big time. In Bejing Russia will do everything to avoid serious disappointments. Recently injured Sasha who is prone to meltdowns is surely a bigger risk than Anna. Hence, IMO Sasha needs a decisive victory at the Europeans to be considered for the team.
Kolyada's little chances for individual medal is hardly of interest to anyone but himself and Professor. Kolyada's instability is of interest. He was 4th after Rusnats' SP. If Kondratyuk wins once again (and this will happen if Kolyada fails at least one of the jumps) I see a serious reason for the FED to split men placing unstable Kolyada to FS where he has a serious pcs advantage with a lot of triple jumps and non-jump elements where he usually excels. Once again, the key for the FED will be to minimize risks rather than pick those who will score the most if clean.
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Sasha is more prone to meltdowns is she goes for the full quad program, that is why I suggested she skate the same FS in the Team Event like she did in SA, with only one quad and triples. I don´t think her problem in generals is meltdowns, it´s all the quads.
I can´t remember Sasha having trouble with her triples (except 3A) this season. She has lovely triples and we saw she get great GOES on them in SA. She can get a lot of points by skating a clean, easier FS as well.
In singles Sasha needs her quad program to secure the silver. In the Team Event she doesn´t need a full quad program to help secure the gold medal I think (if Kamila skates the SP).
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One quad Lutz will be more than enough for the team event. I don't see a single person who will beat her in the team FS if Sasha does one quad Lutz which seems to be her money jump.
For Sasha's individual skate I would get rid of the 3A and go for 3-4 quads! Again include 2 quad lutzes. That would be enough for Silver or even gold... depending on how Kamila skates.
Can she still go the Lutz/loop in the short or is that problematic? She used to have a lovely one!
For Sasha's individual skate I would get rid of the 3A and go for 3-4 quads! Again include 2 quad lutzes. That would be enough for Silver or even gold... depending on how Kamila skates.
Can she still go the Lutz/loop in the short or is that problematic? She used to have a lovely one!
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Sasha has scored over 13 points on her 3Lz-3T combo all this season, with the highest of 13.22. I don´t think it´s worth trying to increase the BV a little going for 3Lz-3Lo combo because it´s much risiker and it could end up earning her less points. A quick look at Annas points for her 3Lz-3Lo combo this season it´s all between 9 points (<) and highest 13.99 points. I don´t think Sasha would gain anything by changing the combo.
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