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If 17 year old Illia loses momentum after his performance this week, being named as the first alternate to the Olympics (at 17 and out of nowhere) AND being named to the World Championships Team, then I would argue he didn't have much to begin with.
that's your opinion. I do not know him at all, so it's hard to see how he will react psychologically to score 300 points and not being named on the team... at 17 years old, as you have pointed out his tender age, I would tend to believe that a skater may even be more inclined to react negatively to a decision from his federation. It also creates pressure for 2026 already.... I already said that I do not believe the decision is unfair but is it smart? I personally would have invested in the future, especially since he has the technical arsenal to compete already and has shown ability to perform under pressure.
 
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I think that the USFSA still holds out hope that Alysa has a higher "ceiling" than any other U.S. lady
I thought the scuttlebutt is that Alysa plans to 'retire' after the Olympics.

Maybe Lindsey made the choice herself to skip 4CC.

Perhaps both Ash & Tim and Alexa & Brandon said they wanted to do both competitions.

In both instances, I doubt U.S. fed asks the skaters these types of questions. The assignment committee surely decides and then reveals their selections.

For the GP, I've heard that skaters often get to say where they'd like to compete, but that doesn't guarantee the assignment they prefer will be selected for them.
 
No. They did not render the National Championships worthless. A National champion was selected - isn’t here tied with Dick Button? If so that’s some very rarified air. Envelope funding for next year was determined.
Also, Nationals changed the order of the Olympic alternates, helping both Ilia and Camden Pulkinen, and the alternates really matter with COVID.
 
Honestly, USFS has done a pretty good job picking teams lately. I remember when everyone was up in arms about naming Karen to the Worlds team and that worked out well.
Karen's selection worked out because it helped the US regain three spots for the Olympics, and she also didn't finish two places and 10+ points behind Amber. Unless Jason wins a medal, it doesn't really matter if he finishes 4th or last in terms of doing anything for the USFSA and the USOC. The same is true for Ilya, but at least it would be a stepping stone to getting the international judges familiar with him and started on that long path to improving his PCS scores. I just really don't understand what the USFSA is doing with this pick.
 
I don't get why a skater, who could become Olympic Champion is only an alternative. Is it arrogance? "We already got two possible Olympic Champs, we don't need a third now, so the third spot must go to the hard working, beautiful skater, who really deserves the spot."
You lose gold medals with this attitude.
 
I think they absolutely followed their criteria, but I also think it would have think it would have been wiser to let ilia have the experience, because even cool as a cucumber Nathan was thrown by his first Olympic Games. But I think the chips will fall, and of all years for an alternate, it would be wise for him to be very ready.
 
I have to be the horrible killjoy, especially since this is ALWAYS asked about the ladies but: Is he going to grow anymore and what are the chances that it will mess up his big, beautiful jumps?

Should we, the new fans, prepare for him to be a trainwreck at some stage as he grows?
that's also why I was talking about momentum... the jumps are there and healthy now.. there is NO guarantee they will be there for another whole olympic quad... and it's not just about growth... It can be special circumstances like Worlds being canceled due to Covid (let's have some kind thoughts for Kostornaia) or anything...
 
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Karen's selection worked out because it helped the US regain three spots for the Olympics, and she also didn't finish two places and 10+ points behind Amber. Unless Jason wins a medal, it doesn't really matter if he finishes 4th or last in terms of doing anything for the USFSA and the USOC. The same is true for Ilya, but at least it would be a stepping stone to getting the international judges familiar with him and started on that long path to improving his PCS scores. I just really don't understand what the USFSA is doing with this pick.
But Ilia IS going to Worlds, where spots are decided, right? He can make a very strong impression/solidify international momentum there, too, I'd think. I'm not saying I'm convinced by the decision not to send him to Olys, but I also don't find it completely dire.
 
But Ilia IS going to Worlds, where spots are decided, right? He can make a very strong impression/solidify international momentum there, too, I'd think. I'm not saying I'm convinced by the decision not to send him to Olys, but I also don't find it completely dire.
worlds is every year. Olympics is for some skater, a once in a lifetime experience. Some skaters, though winning National championships won't even ever make it.. .for instance Nam Nguyen who has won Canadian nationals twice and has been on the podium so many times, has gone to worlds on various occasions, but has never made an Olympic team.
 
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US men’s Olympic team 2022 = Japanese men’s Olympic team 2014: one obvious contender for gold; one with the potential to medal if they get it together; and one veteran who lacks technical goods and didn’t come top 3 at Nationals but on the team anyways and is a perennial fave with the artistry/popularity to place top 10 even with low TES/tech content.
 
I'm going to personally put more importance on Worlds and Grandprix Finals now with the way the selections work Olympic year
 
I'm going to personally put more importance on Worlds and Grandprix Finals now with the way the selections work Olympic year
You should have done so nine years ago. USFS have been hammering the importance of body of work since their 2014 selections and they never let up.

I'm absolutely elated for Jason, and of course very sad for Ilia. He's clearly going to be a megastar. But he's not there yet.

I do hope USFS reconsiders how they work the tiers. It seemed to leave them in a totally untenable position today. Jason should have finished ahead of Vincent, but Vincent was already a "lock" because of the tier 2 thing, despite his results not really being that much better than Jason's. They boxed themselves into a corner where they were unable to pick a Nathan/Jason/Ilia team because of the tiers.

Another thing to consider is that Ilia had the opportunity to set up a Senior body of work. He and his team could have chosen to nominate as a Senior this year - he might have got the Skate America host pick, he could have done multiple CS events and built scores and results and been able to bring that argument to the table. Ilia and his team chose to stay Junior, and they chose to do that knowing what it meant for the selection criteria.

A lot of people are talking about messages. I personally think it's a very bad message to tell a skater who has spent the last four years being your second-most consistent skater, producing consistent results, with the second-highest World Ranking/Standing, winning medals on the Grand Prix, at ISU Championship events, and doing exactly the job required in helping to retain spots or earn them for the Olympics, who has faithfully and meticulously fulfilled every criteria on the list, that you are suddenly going to disregard them because a new kid suddenly came good once.

As I said. I like Ilia. I think he's got all the makings of a megastar. But right now I have no proof in front of me that he can repeat anything like what he just did ever again. He had a good first JGP. He mucked up the second and mucked up his CS event. He's not there yet.
 
Adam taught everyone how to get on that Olympic Team.
But to not let Ilia compete in the individual event would be downright insane. I guess there are talks in the background. If he shows, that he can do what he's done half of the time, he will skate. Jason will do the team event. I'm willing to bet on that.
 
You should have done so nine years ago. USFS have been hammering the importance of body of work since their 2014 selections and they never let up.

I'm absolutely elated for Jason, and of course very sad for Ilia. He's clearly going to be a megastar. But he's not there yet.

I do hope USFS reconsiders how they work the tiers. It seemed to leave them in a totally untenable position today. Jason should have finished ahead of Vincent, but Vincent was already a "lock" because of the tier 2 thing, despite his results not really being that much better than Jason's. They boxed themselves into a corner where they were unable to pick a Nathan/Jason/Ilia team because of the tiers.

Another thing to consider is that Ilia had the opportunity to set up a Senior body of work. He and his team could have chosen to nominate as a Senior this year - he might have got the Skate America host pick, he could have done multiple CS events and built scores and results and been able to bring that argument to the table. Ilia and his team chose to stay Junior, and they chose to do that knowing what it meant for the selection criteria.

A lot of people are talking about messages. I personally think it's a very bad message to tell a skater who has spent the last four years being your second-most consistent skater, producing consistent results, with the second-highest World Ranking/Standing, winning medals on the Grand Prix, at ISU Championship events, and doing exactly the job required in helping to retain spots or earn them for the Olympics, who has faithfully and meticulously fulfilled every criteria on the list, that you are suddenly going to disregard them because a new kid suddenly came good once.

As I said. I like Ilia. I think he's got all the makings of a megastar. But right now I have no proof in front of me that he can repeat anything like what he just did ever again. He had a good first JGP. He mucked up the second and mucked up his CS event. He's not there yet.
Oh no I mean personally hold the Olympics as equivalent to World.
I think Jason gets the scores he does for artistry because he is American.
Tech is what elevates skaters who are said to be not artistic.
I will never forget when Patrick Chan was deemed artistic, while Yuzuru was the jumper.
We go through this cycle again and again.
I have disagreed with the way the USFS selects the Olympic Team since 2014.
 
US men’s Olympic team 2022 = Japanese men’s Olympic team 2014: one obvious contender for gold; one with the potential to medal if they get it together; and one veteran who lacks technical goods and didn’t come top 3 at Nationals but on the team anyways and is a perennial fave with the artistry/popularity to place top 10 even with low TES/tech content.
In his Olympic quad prior to 2014, Takahashi was Worlds gold and silver medalists, 4CC gold and silver medalists and GPF gold and silver medalists. Not to mention he was a current Olympic bronze medalists. And he was less than 5 points away from the bronze medal at that Olympics, finishing 6th. So, unlike Jason, you can't define a reason to send Daisuke at Olympics only as a perennial fav. He had much better international results in his Oly quad, comparing to Jason in this.
 
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I understand why they made that choice for US Men, but IMO it would make more sense to send Ilia to Olympics, where he has minimums already, since he has more chance to get individual olympic medal than Jason, and Jason to Worlds, since Jason is much more reliable skater than Ilia, so would almost surely help secure 3 spots for US Men in season 22/23.
 
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