US Olympic Team Announced

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Edited by moderator (and Minz) to consolidate:

2022 Winter Olympics

WOMEN
Mariah Bell
Karen Chen
Alysa Liu
Alternates
1 - Lindsay Thorngren
2 - Amber Glenn
3 – Gabriella Izzo

MEN
Jason Brown
Nathan Chen
Vincent Zhou
Alternates
1 – Ilia Malinin
2 – Camden Pulkinen
3 – Jimmy Ma

ICE DANCE
Madison Chock and Evan Bates
Kaitlin Hawayek and Jean-Luc Baker
Madison Hubbell and Zachary Donohue
Alternates
1 – Caroline Green and Michael Parsons
2 – Emily Bratti and Ian Somerville
3 - Katarina Wolfkostin and Jeffrey Chen

PAIRS
Ashley Cain-Gribble and Timothy LeDuc
Alexa Knierim and Brandon Frazier
Alternates
1 – Jessica Calalang and Brian Johnson
2 – Audrey Lu and Misha Mitrofanov
3 – Emily Chan and Spencer Howe


2022 World Championships

WOMEN
Mariah Bell
Karen Chen
Alysa Liu
Alternates
1 - Amber Glenn
2 - Lindsay Throngren
3 – Gabriella Izzo

MEN
Nathan Chen
Ilia Malinin*
Vincent Zhou
Alternates
1 – Jason Brown
2 – Camden Pulkinen
3 – Jimmy Ma
* needs to achieve minimum technical scorse first

ICE DANCE
Madison Chock and Evan Bates
Kaitlin Hawayek and Jean-Luc Baker
Madison Hubbell and Zachary Donohue
Alternates
1 – Caroline Green and Michael Parsons
2 – Emily Bratti and Ian Somerville
3 – Christina Carreira and Anthony Ponomarenko

PAIRS
Ashley Cain-Gribble and Timothy LeDuc
Alexa Knierim and Brandon Frazier
Alternates
1 – Jessica Calalang and Brian Johnson
2 – Audrey Lu and Misha Mitrofanov
3 – Emily Chan and Spencer Howe

2022 Four Continents Championships

WOMEN
Starr Andrews
Gabriella Izzo
Audrey Shin
Alternates
1 – Hanna Harrell
2 – Sierra Venetta

MEN
Tomoki Hiwatashi
Jimmy Ma
Camden Pulkinen
Alternate 1 – Ryan Dunk

ICE DANCE
Emily Bratti and Ian Somerville
Christina Carreira and Anthony Ponomarenko
Caroline Green and Michael Parsons
Alternates
1 – Eva Pate and Logan Bye
2 – Lorraine McNamara and Anton Spiridonov
3 – Molly Cesanek and Yehor Yehorov

PAIRS
Emily Chan and Spencer Howe
Audrey Lu and Misha Mitrofanov
Katie McBeath and Nathan Bartholomay
No alternates


2022 World Junior Championships

WOMEN
TBD

MEN
TBD

ICE DANCE
Oona Brown and Gage Brown
Angela Ling and Caleb Wein
Katarina Wolfkostin and Jeffrey Chen
Alternates
1 – Leah Neset and Artem Markelov
2 – Helena Carhart and Volodymyr Horovyi

PAIRS
Isabelle Martins and Ryan Bedard
Anastasiia Smirnova and Danil Siianytsia
Alternates
1 – Catherine Rivers and Timothy Chapman*
2 – Cate Fleming and Chase Finster
* Pending achieving minimum technical score.

 

[mrrice]

From USFS - Alysa Liu, Karen Chen, and Mariah Bell

Alternates (thanks @gsk8)
1st - Lindsay Thorngren
2nd - Amber Glenn
3rd - Gabriella Izzo

I must say I'm surprised to see Amber as the second alternate. If she's still positive, they can't even send her to 4CC, can they?

 

[R.D.]

No surprise re: the actual team.

But as I expected, the alternate picks are interesting. Glenn must have also petitioned if she was chosen to be a stand-in. Thorngren being first alternate seems reasonable, I think, although one could make the case for Glenn to be alternate #1 given previous international experience. The 3rd is a toss-up; wonder if it would have been Gold had she done better in the FS

In any case, they should probably consider sending the alternates to Olys as well in case one of the main members has to pull out, especially with the way things are going. Additionally, the 3 team members should be training in their own bubbles from here on out into it's time to go.

 

[Jammers]

Seriously why is Starr going to 4CC ahead of Hanna? Hanna beat her and Starr has had her chances and hasn't improved in years. Get Hanna out there so she can continue to improve.

 

[Willard]

I agree, why Starr Andrews? She has not progressed at all over the last 4 years. Why not Kate Wang? Or Hanna Harrell. They both were solidly above her. Selection makes no sense.

 

[Greengemmonster]

I feel sorry for Lindsay. She doesn't get 4CC because she's stuck as an alternate!

 

[RatedPG]

Starr Andrews sent to 4CC ;

I really wish someone else would get a chance. Maybe, it has to do with technical minimums.

 

[amc987]

I get why they sent Mariah, Karen, and Alysa to the Olympics. I agree with the decision. But I don't understand the selection criteria. Jackie Wong, whose analysis I usually like and appreciate, made a big deal about Alysa being in a higher tier than Mariah and Karen based on international scores. From what I can tell, the only thing that puts Alysa in a higher tier than the others is her win at Lombardia (219.24 points). The USFS seems to think that her score there suggests that she has the potential to place top 3 in Beijing.

The USFS appears laughably wrong. Realistically, there isn't a single US woman who has the potential to place top 3 in Beijing. Any of the women who competed at US Nationals this week would struggle to place in the top 10 at the Olympics. And comparing scores from an event like Lombardia to the scores from 2021 Worlds, without further context, seems reductive, ill-advised, and unfair. Even casual fans know that scores vary a lot from competition to competition, depending on the panel. Scores at Senior B events are often inflated. And in this case, there's no way Alysa would have gotten close to 219 if she'd skated those Lombardia programs at Worlds.

Relatedly, it seems unfair to give Alysa credit in the Olympic selection process for an anomalously high score, over someone like Karen, who actually competed at 2021 Worlds and placed 4th, and over someone like Mariah, whose highest score (210.35 at 2021 Rostelecom) is higher than every score Alysa has received, except for the Lombardia score. I'm glad that all 3 made the team, and that the criteria didn't result in Alysa getting an Olympic berth at Karen or Mariah's expense. But the USFS should re-think this criteria in the future.

Selection Criteria

Selection Criteria Applied

 

[mrrice]

I agree, why Starr Andrews? She has not progressed at all over the last 4 years. Why not Kate Wang? Or Hanna Harrell. They both were solidly above her. Selection makes no sense.

I agree with this 100%. Along with Isabeau, Kate is the future of the US Women and the sooner she gets the big events the better. Starr hasn't delivered in a while and though I love her, it's time to think about the future. Starr has had several opportunities and I wish she had done better at Nationals but, I wouldn't send her ahead of Kate.

 

[Jeanie19]

I agree with this 100%. Along with Isabeau, Kate is the future of the US Women and the sooner she gets the big events the better. Starr hasn't delivered in a while and though I love her, it's time to think about the future. Starr has had several opportunities and I wish she had done better at Nationals but, I wouldn't send ahead of Kate.

Why didn't Kate get any alternates? Does she not have TES minimums? Please send her to Bavarian Open.

 

[mrrice]

Why didn't Kate get any alternates? Does she not have TES minimums? Please send her to Bavarian Open.

This is a good question. She's skated so well but, all her international scores are from the Junior Circuit and those don't count for senior Minimums do they?

 

[Jeanie19]

This is a good question. She's skated so well but, all her international scores are from the Junior Circuit and those don't count for senior Minimums do they?

I don't think they do. But she could get them at Bavarian Open.

 

[mayiko]

I get why they sent Mariah, Karen, and Alysa to the Olympics. I agree with the decision. But I don't understand the selection criteria. Jackie Wong, whose analysis I usually like and appreciate, made a big deal about Alysa being in a higher tier than Mariah and Karen based on international scores. From what I can tell, the only thing that puts Alysa in a higher tier than the others is her win at Lombardia (219.24 points). The USFS seems to think that her score there suggests that she has the potential to place top 3 in Beijing.

The USFS appears laughably wrong. Realistically, there isn't a single US woman who has the potential to place top 3 in Beijing. Any of the women who competed at US Nationals this week would struggle to place in the top 10 at the Olympics. And comparing scores from an event like Lombardia to the scores from 2021 Worlds, without further context, seems reductive, ill-advised, and unfair. Even casual fans know that scores vary a lot from competition to competition, depending on the panel. Scores at Senior B events are often inflated. And in this case, there's no way Alysa would have gotten close to 219 if she'd skated those Lombardia programs at Worlds.

Relatedly, it seems unfair to give Alysa credit in the Olympic selection process for an anomalously high score, over someone like Karen, who actually competed at 2021 Worlds and placed 4th, and over someone like Mariah, whose highest score (210.35 at 2021 Rostelecom) is higher than every score Alysa has received, except for the Lombardia score. I'm glad that all 3 made the team, and that the criteria didn't result in Alysa getting an Olympic berth at Karen or Mariah's expense. But the USFS should re-think this criteria in the future.

Selection Criteria

Selection Criteria Applied

But Alysa didn't qualify for Worlds last year because she was too young and all her junior events were cancelled. She also scored over 200 in every event she entered during this season.

 

[Amei]

This is a good question. She's skated so well but, all her international scores are from the Junior Circuit and those don't count for senior Minimums do they?

Junior scores don't count towards senior minimums, that is why Lindsay went to a senior challenger event, so she could get her senior minimums

 

[mrrice]

Junior scores don't count towards senior minimums, that is why Lindsay went to a senior challenger event, so she could get her senior minimums

 

[mrrice]

Do you think Kate will go to the Bavarian Open? I haven't seen the lineup but, if she could earn her Minimums there, it would certainly be great. Even if she doesn't get to go to 4CC

 

[amc987]

But Alysa didn't qualify for Worlds last year because she was too young and all her junior events were cancelled. She also scored over 200 in every event she entered during this season.

Not saying Alysa shouldn't get any credit for her results. I'm saying that Alysa shouldn't be in a higher tier than Mariah and Karen based on one Lombardia score. And the fact that she is shows that the selection criteria are flawed, even though those flaws didn't result in the wrong athletes being selected for Beijing.

 

[mayiko]

Not saying Alysa shouldn't get any credit for her results. I'm saying that Alysa shouldn't be in a higher tier than Mariah and Karen based on one Lombardia score. And the fact that she is shows that the selection criteria are flawed, even though those flaws didn't result in the wrong athletes being selected for Beijing.

Any selection criteria is going to be flawed.

Edit to say it really worked out well or the selection committee that Alysa was in group 2 so nobody would question why she was pick.

 

[soccerjc77]

Why they didn't pick Lindsay thorngren for 4CC ?

 

[mayiko]

Why they didn't pick Lindsay thorngren for 4CC ?

She's the 1st alternate and need to stay covid free?