Sorry for the double post, I didn't see this until now.
If Ilia skated senior this year, medaled at every comp, scored 20 points higher than Jason, then he would have been in a very different place in the criteria. And if the criteria weighed in his favor, then yes.
But they didn't. And additional points (not saying you said this, but such as I've read) such as "potential" and "quads landed" aren't part of the criteria. I can understand if one believes in his potential and one likes to see flying quads, why one would prefer Ilia. But not why that would make him the choice of the USFS.
Ilia did medal at every competition he was at this year. He was limited in the quads he could do in the short. He didn’t do all of his quads in his JGP events because he wanted to make sure to win.
Remember the guy was out of competition for the last two years too.
I frankly think your asking way to much for a new senior.
He is a first year senior. He just turned 17. He is not going to have the kind of body of work Jason had and he will never get that body of work if he isn’t given a chance. When Jason was a first year season they took a chance on him for the Olympics.
He beat Jason and Vincent here by a lot of points. If this was an international scoring event they both would have scored lower but Ilia would have probably had a larger Margin in his favor.
People are acting like it was some kind of squeaky thing. The kid creamed Jason technically.
Those quads were beautifully done. If he can do that under the pressure of nationals he can probably skate well at the Olympics.
It’s not like Ilia went out there and just eeked our one Hail Mary quad. Those quads looked easy. There were multiple there are few men in the world who have that kind of technical ability.
The problem with body of work is that it rewards established skaters way way to much.
In 2016 when Nathan placed ridiculously 3rd at Nationals. Jason was petitioning to get on the team I remember Skating Lesson Christine Brennan talked about how per the rules “Jason had body of work” but that it would be absolutely insane not to take Nathan.
She asked if the USFSA was running for sixth or eighth place?
Well this is a very similar situation. Ilias technically ability is insanely higher than Jason. He already shows he can do it under pressure.
This makes no sense.
Jason had 9th place season best score his technically is just far away Lower than the other men. When taking account body of work that needs to factor in. Yeah he is more consistent it’s because his jumping content has less risk.
I see the point of body of work but not to take into account technical ability and see what is obvious to anyone with eyes.
Do I think Ilia would medal here not without mistakes from others but I think top 5 is certainly possible. Do I think Jason had a shot at messing no. If everyone goes out and lands their content he could be in tenth. He probably will be 8th or 10th.
I also feel the way Lindsey is treated is unfair this body of work thing is designed to reward favorites
The system is suppose to take into account who is the best team. They need to take into account new skater.
Japan and Russia are getting their new skaters out quickly. I don’t think this would be a debate at all for them.
They would be like Jason you have over a decade (he knew as a Junior he needed a quad) to develop competitive content.
I could see making it difficult if Ilia was looking to replace Nathan. But Jason’s body of work has show he is consistent but not someone fighting for the top spots on the podium. It’s silly to hold Jason up, they are only risking 7th place l
But they are important, at least for me, to counter the argument (not made by you, but made in this thread, and to which Tavi was responding ) that Ilia had a better chance of medaling in this Olympics than Jason.
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