Team medals delayed by legal issue

[4everchan]

You do not have no idea what happened, what is the country, skater or substance. The most pathetic thing is that you do not even know that Meldonium does, much less the negative thing that is the intake for a skater.

They are assumed that this forum has a minimum of seriousness and is not a latrine as another site, although we have already discovered who has its account in the latrine.

nope i don't know. and i am not making assumptions ... this is a way to cope with the news. Meldonium was a big topic on this forum a while back, so that's why i said meldonium 2.0. I have indeed no idea what is going on except from what I read from respected news site (not another site or twitter) and as I said, I am not speculating, just waiting for the official news to be released.

 

[bigsisjiejie]

you are thinking too much... usually, they will not recount the points of the event.. just the final rankings... so if Russia is indeed DQed, all the teams will move up one spot... If Russia's faulty athlete is for some reason excluded but weirdly they decide not to DQ the whole team, then they will not be shuffling medals.

I agree with your assessment. Possibly the issue that is taking so long to decide is whether to DQ the entire team (as in track relays) or only the offending component. Since the "team" competition in figure skating is still just an additive total from separate, individual/partner efforts, the ISU/IOC may decide that DQ'ing the entire team is not warranted, just the component of the total in question. There's just no precedent for this w/respect to figure skating.

This is going to get very interesting, both the way in which the team competition results end up, AND the larger picture of a tainted athlete being sent anyway by a (probably-)in-the-know Federation already under sanction.

 

[Cilla70]

Did anyone else notice that the ROC male pairs skater Sasha, looked like he was feeling sick or just exhausted at the FS. Also Kamila looked like she was also exhausted and wanted to cry at the FS. Maybe she was upset about the fall.

 

[4everchan]

I agree with your assessment. Possibly the issue that is taking so long to decide is whether to DQ the entire team (as in track relays) or only the offending component. Since the "team" competition in figure skating is still just an additive total from separate, individual/partner efforts, the ISU/IOC may decide that DQ'ing the entire team is not warranted, just the component of the total in question. There's just no precedent for this w/respect to figure skating.

This is going to get very interesting, both the way in which the team competition results end up, AND the larger picture of a tainted athlete being sent anyway by a (probably-)in-the-know Federation already under sanction.

Yes, and whatever decision gets announced, they will most likely be appeals from countries concerned... and not just the country at fault... and not just the country in 4th place... Other involved countries may appeal as well to change the colour of their medals. It may take days to get resolved.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

Clearly I don’t know enough about this stuff.

A test that was done prior to the games. Who would have done that test? Wouldn’t it have been the ISU? If so why wouldn’t it be reported?

Or do feds conduct private tests and the allegation is they identified something and chose to send the skater anyway? Maybe it was from their nationals?

 

[anonymoose_au]

Oh no! And all this in less an couple of hours (I've been busy with my mother).

Could it be something Nikita's taking for his back? Doping as a rule isn't very useful for figure skaters...but pain killers are a different story. They're supposed to check before taking anything but sometimes there's mistakes.

 

[bigsisjiejie]

Did anyone else notice that the ROC male pairs skater Sasha, looked like he was feeling sick or just exhausted at the FS. Also Kamila looked like she was also exhausted and wanted to cry at the FS. Maybe she was upset about the fall.

Yes and Yes. However, that doesn't mean we should assume either of these skaters is the one in question. Let's not jump to hasty conclusions.

 

[Alchamei]

Oh no! And all this in less an couple of hours (I've been busy with my mother).

Could it be something Nikita's taking for his back? Doping as a rule isn't very useful for figure skaters...but pain killers are a different story. They're supposed to check before taking anything but sometimes there's mistakes.

Now that would be possible. But that would be so stupid on their part to not check what is allowed and what is not. Can't believe they would be that stupid.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Now that would be possible. But that would be so stupid on their part to not check what is allowed and what is not. Can't believe they would be that stupid.

I guess, but that would at least mean they weren't cheating on purpose, it still sucks but being an idiot is better than being a doper.

This looks grim...and I was so happy for Mark...is there any indication how long it will take to resolve this?

 

[Andrea82]

Clearly I don’t know enough about this stuff.

A test that was done prior to the games. Who would have done that test? Wouldn’t it have been the ISU? If so why wouldn’t it be reported?

Or do feds conduct private tests and the allegation is they identified something and chose to send the skater anyway? Maybe it was from their nationals?

ISU manage the in-competition tests during ISU events. IIRC medallists are all tested (in pair and dance, only one partner) + one skater at random from the rest of the field.

Out of competition tests are carried out by WADA (World anti-doping agency. WADA can do tests on all countries) or by the national anti-doping agencies (only on their own country athletes).

 

[4everchan]

I guess, but that would at least mean they weren't cheating on purpose, it still sucks but being an idiot is better than being a doper.

This looks grim...and I was so happy for Mark...is there any indication how long it will take to resolve this?

on the CBC news site : it said it would take days...

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

ISU manage the in-competition tests during ISU events. IIRC medallists are all tested (in pair and dance, only one partner) + one skater at random from the rest of the field.

Out of competition tests are carried out by WADA (World anti-doping agency. WADA can do tests on all countries) or by the national anti-doping agencies (only on their own country athletes).

They all competed and medaled at Euros. Wouldn’t they have been tested there by the ISU?

 

[Winnie_20]

You are correct. It even made Dutch national news on TV just now. Inc the Russian doping rumor. In a country where fs is looked down on and they are JUST starting to get some foot in the ground on the international level, this is NOT the kind of news I want to see reported on.

And just made the news again. Extensively. They are loving this. So so so bad for image of this sport.

 

[gravy]

Medal for Maddie Schizas and Roman Sadovsky!!?

 

[anonymoose_au]

Out of competition tests are carried out by WADA (World anti-doping agency) or by the national anti-doping agencies (only on their country athletes).

Wouldn't it have to be one of these tests? Because no-one's been stripped of their medal at Euros or 4CC.

How do the doping tests work? I always assumed the on-site ones picked up drugs right away and the out of competition tests were taken to a lab (at least some of them, remember how Chinese swimmer Sun smashed the blood test tubes because the testing guys couldn't show their credentials?)

on the CBC news site : it said it would take days...

I guess there's no news of any ROC skater withdrawing? We know Mark skated yesterday so I don't think it was him?

Although...it's possible no-one was actually doping with steroids. It's also illegal to take things that mask doping. Even though these things by themselves don't benefit performance, like diuretics. But everyone knows about those... Or should after Maria Sotskova!

This is really terrible for skating, I haven't seen anything on our channels, but some Aussies were competing and one had a chance at a medal so they might be reporting on it now...I'm watching something else right now.

 

[bigsisjiejie]

Yes, and whatever decision gets announced, they will most likely be appeals from countries concerned... and not just the country at fault... and not just the country in 4th place... Other involved countries may appeal as well to change the colour of their medals. It may take days to get resolved.

The IOC/ISU could also decide to DQ the entire ROC team and not award the gold to anyone, keeping the USA and Japan in their existing medal positions and not move anyone up the ladder. This might minimize the appeals (except from ROC, who will appeal no matter what solution is applied).

The cynical part of me says that regardless of the offense, somehow the Russians will manage to weasel their way out of this, and keep their medals/position.

 

[yume]

The IOC/ISU could also decide to DQ the entire ROC team and not award the gold to anyone, keeping the USA and Japan in their existing medal positions and not move anyone up the ladder. This might minimize the appeals (except from ROC, who will appeal no matter what solution is applied).

That's actually a solution that i agree with.
I already have an issue with those medals. If another team (whose most skaters underperformed) wins a medal because someone failed a test in another competition, that's too much.

 

[4everchan]

The IOC/ISU could also decide to DQ the entire ROC team and not award the gold to anyone, keeping the USA and Japan in their existing medal positions and not move anyone up the ladder. This might minimize the appeals (except from ROC, who will appeal no matter what solution is applied).

possible. Canada might appeal in that case though. I would think USA may want gold too... I have rarely seen cases where nobody is moved up.

Regarding testing : sometimes athletes find out of a positive test just a few weeks after a competition. So it's not impossible that the athletes didn't know before heading to the Olympics that their samples tested positive from let's say Euros. Again, not trying to speculate about this case, just saying it is quite common for athletes to show up at a big event and receive a result from a previous competition that nixes their participation/results to a big championship retroactively.

 

[4everchan]

That's actually a solution that i agree with.
I already have an issue with those medals. If another team (whose most skaters underperformed) wins a medal because someone failed a test in another competition, that's too much.

I don't understand how fair that is. The rules are there for a reason. If a team is DQed there is no reason not to award a medal to another team. I don't think Canada underperformed that much. One skater did. Some did pretty much in the ballpark of what was expected of them. One surprised with how well she performed.

 

[NaVi]

Kondratiuk's coach Sokolovskaya just reposted a story from someone I think(going from sports.ru comments) wishing him luck and that they're rooting for him tomorrow.... you would think that he wouldn't be able to skate tomorrow if he was the source of an issue that put the team event at risk. Only way I could see an out of that if there was or could be potential legal wrangling where it would be easier to just let him skate and DQ him later. But I doubt that.