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I don't understand how fair that is. The rules are there for a reason. If a team is DQed there is no reason not to award a medal to another team. I don't think Canada underperformed that much. One skater did. Some did pretty much in the ballpark of what was expected of them. One surprised with how well she performed.
Everyone has his perception of what is fair and what is not. Rules are there for a reason but they are not always fair. For example i think it's unfair that a skater who competed in team event can't get replaced in the individual event.
In this case, i want medals to be awarded for what happened on ice, not for what is happening in papers.
 
Everyone has his perception of what is fair and what is not. Rules are there for a reason but they are not always fair. For example i think it's unfair that a skater who competed in team event can't get replaced in the individual event.
In this case, i want medals to be awarded for what happened on ice, not for what is happening in papers.
Rules are there and athletes have to follow them. There are tons of rules in figure skating that are weird, yet athletes follow them. For instance, no quads in SP for women, Zayak, invalid elements, extended lifts .. ... well.. the athletes will follow these rules or get penalized. Doping is a very serious matter. As you said, what happens on the ice should be how a competition result is judged. Doping rules are there because what happens in a competition is no longer relevant when substance use is at play.
 
Does anyone know anything about this? It has been pulled from the BBC website.

"Legal issue" delays medal ceremony

Figure skating team event

Anna Thompson

BBC Sport in Beijing

There's a very interesting development from the team figure skating event - as the medal ceremony has yet to take place because of a legal issue.

The Russian Olympic Committee took the win on Monday, with the United States second and Japan third and the medal ceremony should have taken place on the medals plaza here in Beijing on Tuesday.

IOC spokesman Mark Adams has confirmed the legal issue but has not expanded on what it is.

"The situation arose and came at short notice," he said. "It’s an emerging issue so I can't add very much at the moment."

An update has been promised later on Wednesday.
This is from Day 3 TE thread. We might get an update today? If we haven't already.
 
This is from Day 3 TE thread. We might get an update today? If we haven't already.
On the Canadian news : French site : no detail given. English site : a few more details.

In a one-line statement, the International Skating Union also cited ongoing legal talks. A spokesperson for the Canadian Olympic Committee said Canada "is not involved in any way." A spokesperson for the Russian Figure Skating Federation told the country's official state news the organization is "waiting for official confirmation on this issue."
 
I was a bit irritated by the original article since it didn't cite any sources and only now on Twitter insidethegames says they have "good sources". Err, what?

At any rate, if I had to make an educated guess, the case does likely have to do with someone on the Russian team merely due to the strange phrasing from IOC's Adams saying that it is a "legal issue". I can only imagine this wording alludes to the current quasi-suspension in the whole ROC situation, which makes things more complicated.

But all we really know for sure right now is that the failed drug test has to do with the Russian, American, or Japanese team. Whomever it is at fault, I believe the whole team should be disqualified. I know that sucks especially for the skaters on the team who were not at fault, but DQs happen all the time in the Olympics, notably in speed skating. The whole team suffers and the rest get bumped up in placement. Them's the breaks.
 
Rules are there and athletes have to follow them. There are tons of rules in figure skating that are weird, yet athletes follow them. For instance, no quads in SP for women, Zayak, invalid elements, extended lifts .. ... well.. the athletes will follow these rules or get penalized. Doping is a very serious matter. As you said, what happens on the ice should be how a competition result is judged. Doping rules are there because what happens in a competition is no longer relevant when substance use is at play.
If the susbstance use was at the play during the event, no problem. DQ everyone and give the medal to someone else.
If the substance was not used during the event, but before, during another competition weeks/months ago, then what happened on ice matter. The athlete was clear, then the results are relevants.
 
If the susbstance use was at the play during the event, no problem. DQ everyone and give the medal to someone else.
If the substance was not used during the event, but before, during another competition weeks/months ago, then what happened on ice matter. The athlete was clear, then the results are relevants.
Erm no.... it doesn't work like this at all... for many reasons.
1) A positive test provokes a suspension. So if an athlete received a suspension then they cannot be on the ice... done.
2) How do you know the effects of a substance taken earlier do not have an influence on the performance even later on ? This is why there are strict rules and out of competition testing because doping can be used for better training, better recovering from training, a bunch of other things like hormones will play with growth etc.... and all of these may be used PRIOR to events and not during events. I suggest you look what doping is all about. It's not just about using a substance to kick it up one notch before a triple lutz ;) It's not an espresso shot.
 
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Unlikely, but if either the Chinese or Canadian ice dance teams tested positive then that would give Japan 2 points to tie the US.

I find it interesting that we've only heard about the IOC and the ISU talking to one another. We haven't heard at all about talking with WADA. TBH though, I think WADA gives the information to federations though and then they announce positive tests. I'm not sure though.

I highly doubt this is it as it seemed most people found the event well judged, but from a few things I've seen on twitter and from comments made on TSL it seems like some US judges were going the extra mile.
 
Wow, if Russia gets DQed Karen is going to be an Olympic gold medalist without ever having won a single senior international skating event.
And only one gold medal ever so far: 2017 nationals. Which as I recall, should have gone to Ashley. I'm sorry for the negative tone, but Karen has been the subject/victim of USFS' favoritism.

It doesn't change that I love her skating, though. Power and beauty and grace in one small package and one huge smile. ❤️ Plus, even as a tiny 15-year-old, she filled the ice.

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Erm no.... it doesn't work like this at all... for many reasons.
1) A positive test provokes a suspension. So if an athlete received a suspension then they cannot be on the ice... done.
2) How do you know the effects of a substance do not have an effect on the performance even later on ? This is why there are strict rules and out of competition testing because doping can be used for better training, better recovering from training, a bunch of other things like hormones will play with growth etc.... and all of these may be used PRIOR to events and not during events. I suggest you look what doping is all about. It's not just about using a substance to kick it up one notch before a triple lutz ;) It's not an espresso shot.
I know some substance has long time effect. But when they still have an effect, they are detectable. If the athelete is tested at olys and nothing is found, how can they know the substance still helped the athlete?
And i wasn't talking about the rules. I was talking about what i think. And i think some situations are unfair, especially when it involves teams, not just one person.
Now, i'm tired to talk. Let's agree to disagree.
 
I know some substance has long time effect. But when they still have an effect, they are detectable. If the athelete is tested at olys and nothing is found, how can they know the substance still helped the athlete?
And i wasn't talking about the rules. I was talking about what i think. And i think some situations are unfair, especially when it involves teams, not just one person.
Now, i'm tired to talk. Let's agree to disagree.
We will find out soon enough. The point though is that if it's a substance used to recover faster, it allows an athlete to train harder... so even if at the moment of the competition that substance would no longer be used, if it were 3 months before the Olympics for instance, it still gave an advantage to that athlete. This is why doping is not just about what happens during a competition.
 
Match TV journalist Lisin on a possible doping problem with a Russian figure skater: "A number of people write me that marijuana"
Hmmm what are the chances the athlete in question claims they just happened to be somewhere where marijuana was smoked, but didn't partake themselves? Would it depend on how much was found I guess?

Many years ago, I was once in a small room with people smoking marijuana although I didn't join in. Would I have tested positive I wonder 🤔
 
Hmmm what are the chances the athlete in question claims they just happened to be somewhere where marijuana was, but didn't partake themselves? Would it depend on how much was found I guess?

Many years ago, I was once in a small room with people smoking marijuana although I didn't join in. Would I have tested positive I wonder 🤔
This is possible and has happened before. It does remain the responsibility of the athlete to prove it though which can be possible, but would also depends on the amount of substance found.
 
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