Team medals delayed by legal issue

[soogar]

If all of these rumors are true, they have no choice. Poor kid. Why did someone give her this?

I actually wonder if she could have been sabotaged. They say athletes watch what they drink in case someone gives them something.

I don't wish this on a 15 year old, but everyone is ripping the whole world on why their girls don't have quads or triple axels and it seems that the Russians may be giving their girls performance enhancing drugs and perhaps weren't caught yet. Even Liza, talented jumper that she is being dusted by these girls. People comment on her built in rests in her program but these elements take a lot of exertion. For her to all that stuff in a program is extraordinary, perhaps it is too extraordinary.

 

[readernick]

they all have to test after they podium in a competition so if they have no positive tests then they should be fine and as they are over 16 they would not be protected (though Valieva's name was outed so she wasn't protected) so i doubt there is a problem with them. Except for the fact that people will forever question them because of her positive test because they are coached the same team

Question them, no. They are also kids. However, question their team's weird choice of team doctor, certainly. Why do you need an anathesiologist ? Normally, not the type of doctor a coaching team would employ. It looked shady and apparently it was.

 

[SXTN]

What did they give Shcherbakova for 2020/2021 Nationals?

 

[Vemvane]

More importantly is she going to be the only one who has to deal with the fall out from this?

The adults who managed her need to be punished. Or will they just hang Kamila out to dry. Their 15yo scapegoat.

I am devastated. Going to have a good cry, because no child deserves to have this happen to them. She had better not be made the scapegoat, and the adults involved need to be held responsible. I've been reading a paper on the legal side of minor athletes competing in major international sports, and it emphasises time and again that an athlete Kamila's age does not have legal capacity, and that their guardians are the ones who sign the contracts and the entry forms for them - or who hand the power to do so over to coaches or the federation or other relevant sporting authorities.

Edit: Here is the link to the paper, from The International Sports Law Journal (2021), published online in October 2020, for those interested: https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s40318-020-00177-5.pdf

 

[Amei]

Question them, no. They are also kids. However, question their team's weird choice of team doctor, certainly. Why do you need an anathesiologist ? Normally not the type of doctor an athletic school would employ.

Oh I don't mean in the sense "what did you know", i meant people questioning if they have achieved their results honestly or are the doing something dishonest as well

 

[flanker]

I actually wonder if she could have been sabotaged. They say athletes watch what they drink in case someone gives them something.

I don't wish this on a 15 year old, but everyone is ripping the whole world on why their girls don't have quads or triple axels and it seems that the Russians may be giving their girls performance enhancing drugs and perhaps weren't caught yet. Even Liza, talented jumper that she is being dusted by these girls. People comment on her built in rests in her program but these elements take a lot of exertion. For her to all that stuff in a program is extraordinary, perhaps it is too extraordinary.

They have been undergoing hundreds of tests through times at most different palces, no one in his right sense can take it as that the one dubious case like this can reverse this.

 

[Greengemmonster]

I am devastated. Going to have a good cry, because no child deserves to have this happen to them. She had better not be made the scapegoat, and the adults involved need to be held responsible. I've been reading a paper on the legal side of minor athletes competing in major international sports, and it emphasises time and again that an athlete Kamila's age does not have legal capacity, and that their guardians are the ones who sign the contracts and the entry forms for them - or who hand the power to do so over to coaches or the federation or other relevant sporting authorities.

So much talent and promise trashed by a bunch of adults.

 

[Mista Ekko]

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[Imagine]

Poor Liza. She will be devastated if this story is confirmed.

I hope she isn't too devastated that she was unable to go to the worst Olympics* in history. She has had an amazing career with many memorable wins at more meaningful competitions than what this is turning out to be. She can even make a comeback too, now that the haters will seemingly get what they want when the age limit is raised. Already hoping to see Alena in Italy, at the next legitmate Olympics.

 

[lariko]

They're saying the substance is trimetazidine.

I'm baffled how this has all been handled. The test where the drug was found is said to have been taken in December. Surely they would not have let Kamila go on the plane if they knew this was over her head? I find it weird how this was caught right at just the last second.

They said microdose, so it could have been trace amount, and they hoped that control sample will come negative or blank will show cross-contamination.

 

[Amei]

What did they give Shcherbakova for 2020/2021 Nationals?

Smelling Salts which isn't a banned substance. And everyone is tested after a podium finishes and nothing has come up with her so the likelihood of her taking something illegal is probably zero and absent a positive test ALL athletes should be considered clean.

 

[jenaj]

I hope she isn't too devastated that she was unable to go to the worst Olympics* in history. She has had an amazing career with many memorable wins at more meaningful competitions than what this is turning out to be. She can even make a comeback too, now that the haters will seemingly get what they want when the age limit is raised. Already hoping to see Alena in Italy, at the next legitmate Olympics.

I agree about her amazing career. Liza will be remembered long after the one and done sensations are.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Smelling Salts which isn't a banned substance. And everyone is tested after a podium finishes and nothing has come up with her so the likelihood of her taking something illegal is probably zero and absent a positive test ALL athletes should be considered clean.

I think, and I'm not trying to be offensive, that it would be good common sense to not give Russia
that much benefit of the doubt at this point, sadly.

 

[sjchilly]

The Russians seems to love giving athletes preventatives for cardiological problems. Remember that drug that began with an "M" that was later banned and Plushenko said they gave it to the athletes for their heart.

Meldonium was the drug and it was banned by WADA in 2016. Women's tennis gave Maria Sharpova a 15 month ban when she tested positive in 2016. She had been taking it for 10 years.

 

[mskater93]

Why drugs that don't enhance the performance are banned?

Because some are masking agents for PEDS

 

[Amei]

I think, and I'm not trying to be offensive, that it would be good common sense to not give Russia
that much benefit of the doubt at this point, sadly.

Scherbakova and Trusova have been tested internationally for 3 years with no testing issues.

 

[mskater93]

Given that the substance was recreational, this seems unlikely.

They didn't say recreational, they said it was not a SPECIFIC PED

 

[Greengemmonster]

I think, and I'm not trying to be offensive, that it would be good common sense to not give Russia
that much benefit of the doubt at this point, sadly.

Yup

I was a HUGE fan trust me. I really wanted to be positive and poo poo at all the Negative Nellies. I really wanted to believe that we were moving onto a new era and that the girls could be that amazing.

Apparently I was VERY naive.

 

[4everchan]

They said microdose, so it could have been trace amount, and they hoped that control sample will come negative or blank will show cross-contamination.

the problem with this is that in the meantime, there would be a suspension, an investigation, the athlete will need to prove they did no wrong... it can take many months... look at CJ? How long were they not allowed to compete for?

I am heartbroken that this is what KV may be remembered for instead of her extraordinary talent. Shame on anyone who couldn't trust her to just succeed on her abilities. (Of course, reacting to non-official news... )

 

[vorravorra]

What did they give Shcherbakova for 2020/2021 Nationals?

Not trimetazidine since it doesn't have an immediate effect.

I am the most sorry for the other athletes who have nothing to do with this story.