Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[Pereiro]

This was not how I imagined World War 3 starting this year.

Actually - nothing has started yet. Things will go completely out of control after decision will be made (and it doesn't matter what decision)

 

[florin]

A little more about trimetazidine:

"Dr Sadiya Khan, a cardiologist and assistant professor at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, told Reuters news agency that in theory trimetazidine might be used in a healthy person to enhance blood flow above and beyond normal levels.

“The idea behind it would be, potentially, if you enhance blood flow, you could improve somebody’s ability to exercise longer or exercise more efficiently by allowing the heart to respond super-normally,” she said.

But she said it is not clear if the drug offers any performance-enhancing benefit.

“There’s a theoretical benefit,” she said. “There’s no strong evidence that it does make a difference.”

So there is a drug that, THEORETICALLY, can increase the performance of training. No strong evidance.

Without a doubt, even in this theoretical construction, the intake of this drug should be systematic and in significant quantities.

In the athlete's sample, this substance was found in trace amounts (again - trace amounts. For example, grandma took a pill and washed it down with water, and then Kamila drank from the same glass) in one two-month sample. No drug was detected in the samples before or after.

And now they are trying to convince me that this is a significant problem, and that her victory and her amazing performances are fake.

For me, all this is complete nonsense and bs. I reject such a system of sports if in it such brilliant athletes as Kamila are subjected to such obviously unfair harassment and attacks by an ignorant crowd.

I hope that this whole system is not completely rotten and everything will end well - Kamila will be allowed to compete, the proceedings will establish that the athlete is clean and honest.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

So there is a drug that, THEORETICALLY, can increase the performance of training. No strong evidance.

Without a doubt, even in this theoretical construction, the intake of this drug should be systematic and in significant quantities.

In the athlete's sample, this substance was found in trace amounts (again - trace amounts. For example, grandma took a pill and washed it down with water, and then Kamila drank from the same glass) in one two-month sample. No drug was detected in the samples before or after.

And now they are trying to convince me that this is a significant problem, and that her victory and her amazing performances are fake.

For me, all this is complete nonsense and bs. I reject such a system of sports if in it such brilliant athletes as Camilla are subjected to such obviously unfair harassment and attacks by an ignorant crowd.

I hope that this whole system is not completely rotten and everything will end well - Camilla will be allowed to compete, the proceedings will establish that the athlete is clean and honest.

The drug has a half life of just over 7hours.
If you take these sorts of drugs correctly you'll probably never get caught.

I suspect they tried not getting caught using it - but clearly they mismeasured/mistimed the dosage and hence was caught.
The trace amount also wasn't enough such that sharing a glass would do anything in the sense you are talking about.

 

[Pereiro]

I suspect they tried not getting caught

Another "she cant be so good without doping" argument, right?

 

[florin]

The drug has a half life of just over 7hours.
If you take these sorts of drugs correctly you'll probably never get caught.

I suspect they tried not getting caught using it - but clearly they mismeasured/mistimed the dosage and hence was caught.
The trace amount also wasn't enough such that sharing a glass would do anything in the sense you are talking about.

Another nonsense. Once again, this is not a magic drug ("take a pill and you will win any competition!"). The advantage that it gives (according to theoretical constructions) arises with systematic use that will allow (according to theoretical constructions) to improve training performance. Key words - "systematic use".

 

[kolyadafan2002]

Another nonsense. Once again, this is not a magic drug ("take a pill and you will win any competition!"). The advantage that it gives (according to theoretical constructions) arises with systematic use that will allow (according to theoretical constructions) to improve training performance. Key words - "systematic use".

I never said it didn't...
You can arrange systematic use such that you never fail a drug test yet still gain all the benefits.
Its just like doping specialists in amateur cycling - some people even made a documentary where they tested doping practices in amateur cycling but didn't get caught on drug tests.

Just my two cents but generally if somebody tests positive at Russian Nationals, it's highly likely they were positive for the drug.

 

[DancingCactus]

How is it even possible that a Russian agency can overthrow a suspension for a Russian athlete...this stinks.
With Russia's doping history they really can't be trusted and are of course going to to their very best to wiggle out of this.
No matter if Valieva is getting suspended retroactively or not, her reputation will be forever tarnished and there will always be suspicion. Also, what about the other Eteri girls? If the substance is being used to enhance recovery and make more vigorous training possible while being difficult to detect, it would be weird if Trusova and Scherbakova hadn't been fed the same crap.
I wanted Kaori to have a chance to medal, but not like this.

 

[florin]

I never said it didn't...
You can arrange systematic use such that you never fail a drug test yet still gain all the benefits.
Its just like doping specialists in amateur cycling - some people even made a documentary where they tested doping practices in amateur cycling but didn't get caught on drug tests.

Just my two cents but generally if somebody tests positive at Russian Nationals, it's highly likely they were positive for the drug.

These are all unsubstantiated claims. And then why do they take samples at all if taking the drug is so easy to hide, as you claim? Are you aware, by the way, that athletes take samples at random times?

 

[kolyadafan2002]

These are all unsubstantiated claims. And then why do they take samples at all if taking the drug is so easy to hide, as you claim? Are you aware, by the way, that athletes take samples at random times

Firstly I want to say, they don't show up at 2pm randomly. Often a random day not a random time.


modern microdosing allows you to use small amounts of drugs each day and gain a lasting advantage. If the tester shows up, don't take the drugs for that day.

I'd suggest watching the documentary Icarus. It's pretty good, and as far as I am aware accurate

 

[zanadude]

The former acting director general of RUSADA Anna Antseliovich:

"RUSADA lifted Valiyeva's suspension because lawyers have proven a strong possibility that the adverse test result was caused by the use of a contaminated product." sports.ru

There is actually a precedent for a ROC athlete testing positive for trimetazidine at an Olympics as a result of the use of a contaminated product.

Russian bobsleigh athlete Nadezhda Sergeeva has accepted an eight-month ban after failing a drugs test at the Pyeongchang 2018 Winter Olympics.

She failed for trimetazidine, a drug usually used to treat angina, after finishing 12th in the two-women event with pilot Anastasia Kocherzhova.

That result was annulled but insidethegames exclusively revealed this week that Sergeeva's initial suspension had been lifted following an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

This came after all parties agreed that her failure in Pyeongchang was down to a contaminated product.

So it was agreed, eight months after the fact, that Sergeeva's positive test for trimetazidine was unintentional. Nonetheless, all this did was lighten the punishment from four years to eight months, and her team's disqualification from the 2018 Olympics stands to this day.

 

[Piett]

It's so disappointing that figure skating usually makes the mainstream news for all the wrong reasons. People mostly take notice because of scandals. It's difficult to get new fans that way.

 

[Sjs5572]

Another "she cant be so good without doping" argument, right?

Non sequitur

 

[pearly]

Rika Kihira is sitting at home right now after getting injured while trying to keep up with the Russian skaters. Think about that in the context of this situation.

 

[Tomadeur]

We should recall why Russia is participating in the Olympics as a ROC without using its own national flag and anthem.

They were banned for systematic doping from 2011 until 2016. So even as I agree that Russia has it's history with doping (even after 2016) how is this affecting this situation of the then 9 years old Kamilla?

We don't have any evidence that systematic doping continued as the IOC would have extended the measures against Russia.

 

[doreen95]

So there is a drug that, THEORETICALLY, can increase the performance of training. No strong evidance.

Without a doubt, even in this theoretical construction, the intake of this drug should be systematic and in significant quantities.

In the athlete's sample, this substance was found in trace amounts (again - trace amounts. For example, grandma took a pill and washed it down with water, and then Kamila drank from the same glass) in one two-month sample. No drug was detected in the samples before or after.

And now they are trying to convince me that this is a significant problem, and that her victory and her amazing performances are fake.

For me, all this is complete nonsense and bs. I reject such a system of sports if in it such brilliant athletes as Kamila are subjected to such obviously unfair harassment and attacks by an ignorant crowd.

I hope that this whole system is not completely rotten and everything will end well - Kamila will be allowed to compete, the proceedings will establish that the athlete is clean and honest.

1. Doctors - especially if there is an ongoing legal case - tend to phrase their message very carefully. So if they say "theoretically," translate it simply as "practically."

2. In case of blood or urine test results, trace amounts that is, differences expressed in milligrams or milliliters can be important. If the results are within a certain limit, the patient is healthy, if not, he / she can be a cancer patient.

3. Obviously the trace amount is the residue amount of the drug becuase coaches / doctors miscalculated (probably accidentally) the time needed for the substance to deplete from the system of the athlete.

4. We all have heard your arguments becuase Vasily Konov has already set the general guidelines for this disinformation campaign...

 

[doreen95]

They were banned for systematic doping from 2011 until 2016. So even as I agree that Russia has it's history with doping (even after 2016) how is this affecting this situation of the then 9 years old Kamilla?

We don't have any evidence that systematic doping continued as the IOC would have extended the measures against Russia.

Kamila's case is the very evidence.

 

[Tomadeur]

Rika Kihira is sitting at home right now after getting injured while trying to keep up with the Russian skaters. Think about that in the context of this situation.

There is no collective punishment. As long as others like Anna, Sasha, Liza, Maiia hadn't tested positive such statements are inappropriate.

 

[plushyfan]

I have problem with the time, with the period..If the WADA must public the A sample result during 20 days, why didn' t do that? Why did they wait to 8 February? This is manipulated story against to the Russians..

 

[skated011]

there is a picture of Kamila covering her face after training. That is what trauma she is having now and whomever heckled her a minor should have been banned. who is that reporter..

 

[flanker]

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