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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

90% chance that the medal will be stripped, 10% that they keep it.
At this point that is the least relevant, everything is already chaos.
Give the medal to USA, let them be happy thinking they are the best figure skaters in the world, let Russia be excluded from all ISU competitions so that other countries have chances to win. USA and everyone happy, so there is no longer an increase in the age limit. Levito at 15 is world champion and no one complains that a girl takes the world and Olympic titles.
Mark Kondratiuk has a gold from team.... but ended up 15th in the individual men's event.
Does that give him license to think/say he's one of the best figure skaters in the world?

Also, if we're talking about "the best/winning", USA won 3 out of 8 segments in the team event. Which is the same number ROC won.
 
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Side note: does this mean Petrosian will be the Russian Nationals bronze medalist? Or is this one of those "If a tree falls in Russia, and the tree was caught doping, did it still fall?" scenarios....
 
90% chance that the medal will be stripped, 10% that they keep it.
At this point that is the least relevant, everything is already chaos.
Give the medal to USA, let them be happy thinking they are the best figure skaters in the world, let Russia be excluded from all ISU competitions so that other countries have chances to win. USA and everyone happy, so there is no longer an increase in the age limit. Levito at 15 is world champion and no one complains that a girl takes the world and Olympic titles.
The point is clean sport and protecting the athletes, especially minors. As an American, when Armstrong was stripped, I didn't scream, now all the European, second rate cyclists can be happy. I was not perpetuating some faux victim battle cry. I was relieved that a cheater was banned and stripped of medals.
 
Side note: does this mean Petrosian will be the Russian Nationals bronze medalist? Or is this one of those "If a tree falls in Russia, and the tree was caught doping, did it still fall?" scenarios....

I think it depends on the final verdict of sample B and any suspension levied. Though Nationals is a domestic event so it might fall under different rules (ie Russia can decide to not strip her title) but the Europeans placements would likely get shifted.
 
It just takes a look at Swedens corona strategy. They have taken pretty light on the covid situation since the beginning of pandemic and eventually it has it consequences with not only being short staffed because of new covid infections, but health workers have been quitting or on a sick leave because of long covid, burn out and traumas. They might have been severely short staffed already before the Omicron wave. In Norway lab workers have been working overtime for a long time, and when Omicron hit the work load exploded because how fast it spread.
Sorry, but the only thing I can blame in this situation is laboratory in Sweden (and that testing process RUSSADA is charged with from the WADA), nothing more. If the information was given earlier, there would be no scandal at all. ROC would replace Kamila with Liza or Maya if they really think they need to in order to avoid such blames, and the games will go on with the same results for them... But obviously, people like to create scandals in todays world :rolleye:...
 
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The point is clean sport and protecting the athletes, especially minors. As an American, when Armstrong was stripped, I didn't scream, now all the European, second rate cyclists can be happy. I was not perpetuating some faux victim battle cry. I was relieved that a cheater was banned and stripped of medals.
Agreed. It is NEVER a happy thing when an athlete gets upgraded when somebody else cheats. The athletes miss out on their moment and they never really do know if their placement would have been achieved if everything was fair. Cross country skier Beckie Scott of Canada was 3rd in the 2002 Olympics behind two Russians who both later had their medals stripped because of doping. Beckie never got to hear the Canadian anthem play for her. Anyone think she's happy about that?!

Of COURSE people know Russia has the best overall team. But if you dope, your team should be disqualified. The people comparing it to COVID withdrawals by Ukraine and Germany (and saying the scoring should be adjusted with 0 scores), shame on you... it's not even the same.
 
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Also... people need to stop with the whole "Well ROC won by so much that they would have won gold anyways if Valieva wasn't there".

The Jamaican 4 x 100 relay in Beijing 2008 won with a WR time of 37.10, beating the next team (Trinidad and Tobago 38.04) by almost a second (which is arguably even greater a margin of victory compared to ROC's dominance in this team competition), but because one of them Nesta Carter was caught doping they all lost their medals. Pretty much any other elite Jamaican sprinter could have swapped with Nesta, been 0.95 seconds slower (which is a lifetime in the 100 m) and Jamaica would have still won the gold. So to say "Jamaica still would have won" is besides the point.
 
Its disheartening to see people advocating and being okay with Trusova and Shcherbakova being removed. Everything at this point says they have never had a positive test and they have been getting tested the last 3 years more than Valieva. If an athlete does not have a positive test they should be allowed to compete.
No way this will happen, don't lose energy over people saying that.

I'm one of those that firmly believes that they have been fed the same medications as Kamila, if it turns out to have been given to her by the coaches and not her mom or some kind of "contamination" or any other last straws people are understandably clinging to. But under no circumstances can Anna and Sasha be excluded from anything, they have never had a positive test as you say. No positive test, no issue. They deserve to compete (as did Kamila before this was done to her) and they will.
 
Also... people need to stop with the whole "Well ROC won by so much that they would have won gold anyways if Valieva wasn't there".
If you think they wouldn't, you are in some sort of very strong denial. Of course they would. Even if they don't choose Anna or Sacha, but Liza or Maya.
 
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Sorry, but the only thing I can blame in this situation is laboratory in Sweden (and that testing process RUSSADA is charged with from the WADA), nothing more. If the information was given earlier, there would be no scandal at all. ROC would replace Kamila with Liza or Maya if they really think they need to in order to avoid such blames, and the games will go on with the same results for them... But obviously, people like to create scandals in todays world :rolleye:...
Or you know…don’t test positive for a ban substance. Then no scandal would exist.
 
The point is clean sport and protecting the athletes, especially minors. As an American, when Armstrong was stripped, I didn't scream, now all the European, second rate cyclists can be happy. I was not perpetuating some faux victim battle cry. I was relieved that a cheater was banned and stripped of medals.
I feel big differences in those two cases. First, Armstrong's doping is supposed to last for years and years of systematic frauds. Kami had one positive smaple among many others taken at various occations and different places. Second, even if Armstrong's charges were a big thing, nobody effectively called for "ban all the US cyclists from the decent society" even if his case, as big as described, definitely did not involve just him personally. Third, Kamila is a minor but some treat her like a witch that should be burned (even if most turn it on the "adults around", in reality it is her portait under the headlines of the articles). With alleged "justified rage", many in fact just vent their issues with Kami's country. Fourth, Armstrong's case went through all the procedures. In Kami's case there is still no verdict in her case and jump-to-the-conclusion comments full of speculations should not have a place here. "Innocent until proven guilty" principle is not respected. Of course that causes some fight back.
 
Agreed. It is NEVER a happy thing when an athlete gets upgraded when somebody else cheats. The athletes miss out on their moment and they never really do know if their placement would have been achieved if everything was fair. Cross country skier Beckie Scott of Canada was 3rd in the 2002 Olympics behind two Russians who both later had their medals stripped because of doping. Beckie never got to hear the Canadian anthem play for her. Anyone think she's happy about that?!

Shot putter Adam Nelson was infamously awarded his 2004 Olympic gold medal not in the Athens stadium that used to host the ancient Olympic games but rather in an airport food court.


You would have thought they could have at least done a product placement it and given him the medal in front of the McDonalds in A concourse with a bit of fanfare rather than a Burger King.
 
Sorry, but the only thing I can blame in this situation is laboratory in Sweden (and that testing process RUSSADA is charged with from the WADA), nothing more. If the information was given earlier, there would be no scandal at all. ROC would replace Kamila with Liza or Maya if they really think they need to in order to avoid such blames, and the games will go on with the similar results... But obviously, people like to create scandals in todays world :rolleye:...
And my post was a reply to why the they didn´t analyze the samples before. They couldn´t have given information before when the tests wasn´t analyzed before. It´s the explanation they have given that there was a delay because a lot of the lab workers had covid/have been in isolation so they are not up to normal capacity. For some reason people don´t believe this to be a good explanation but given the covid situation in Sweden it´s not unlikely. There shouldn´t really be a problem for them to give evidence about this if people have doubts. Believing the opposite would imply they had some sort of hidden agenda which is very unlikely.
 
Or you know…don’t test positive for a ban substance. Then no scandal would exist.
There would not be a scandal at Olympics at this exact point of time. Who would care if some athlete didn't pass a test, if he/she/they are not competing at all. As Calallang/Johnson for example. And if you can't read or understand my point, don't reply to me.
 
While bad practices, near nervous breakdowns and leaving the ice in tears are normal for Russian girls as we have seen from past competitions, still - what can you expect?
It's just too much psychologically. The Olympics alone are arguably too much on the psyche of a child, but this? She is the headline of newspapers all over the world. And that picture of her covering her face while being harrassed by 10 reporters trying to go to practice...No adult skater could withstand this. And she is 15.

I understand that Russia will go all the way to fight for her participation and that she wants that too, but considering how low the chances are of them winning, it feels quiet cruel to draw it out like this. It's becoming a sort of "if you have to sacrifice the lamb, at least do it quickly and don't make it suffer" scenario for me.
 
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No way this will happen, don't lose energy over people saying that.

I'm one of those that firmly believes that they have been fed the same medications as Kamila, if it turns out to have been given to her by the coaches and not her mom or some kind of "contamination" or any other last straws people are understandably clinging to. But under no circumstances can Anna and Sasha be excluded from anything, they have never had a positive test as you say. No positive test, no issue. They deserve to compete (as did Kamila before this was done to her) and they will.
Anna and Sasha are independent of Kamila. I get Eteri's camp is under intense scrutiny but it would be absolutely unfair to remove either skater without evidence.

This does of course put MASSIVE pressure on the two of them.
 
Has this been posted yet?

I just hope there is no massive cover up concocted where they let Kamila take the fall.

I can see them getting her parents to say "I accidentally gave it to my daughter" in order to save the powerful people involved.

Jackie Wong (@rockerskating) Tweeted:
Developing: Tass reports that RUSADA has "launched a probe in regard to the staff of" Kamila Valieva. "The prime aim of this investigation is to reveal all details of possible violations of anti-doping rules in the interests of ‘a person in defense.’"
https://t.co/fxKUaASyRW https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/1492169377592061953?s=20&t=bXgUlNP4aYzFukBAeMc9_Q
 
If you think they wouldn't, you are in some sort of very strong denial. Of course they would. Even if they don't choose Anna or Sacha, but Liza or Maya.

No obviously it's factually correct they were going to win (for ages I've been saying they would win, and by a lot, regardless of whom they fielded). But it is NOT the point. It's not about "they should get gold because they would have won it anyways with someone else".

I can't actually recall any example in team Olympic sports where when one athlete was DQed for doping, and the rest of the pair/team wasn't DQed and had their results nullified and medals stripped.
 
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