Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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In Germany as well...
I find it so strange that an European Laboratory needs almost 6 weeks to conduct a doping test, not even on my third world country does a medical exam takes so long to get its results.
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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think the only medal result from the team event that should be removed is that of Valieva and Team Tutberidze. That way Team Tutberidze does not receive any financial benefit or bonus or accolade from that result/placement. I would also understand Valieva being stripped of her 2022 European Championship title and not having the opportunity to compete in the Olympic women’s event, as unfair as it may be to her individually, only because a stance of zero tolerance needs to be enforced by the IOC and by the ISU. Team Tutberidze again would not be allowed to profit from her European Championship or Olympic Championship victories as a result. If they wanted to go even further to punish that school/camp, then I could even understand them disqualifying any skater, such as Anna or Sasha, that Team Tutberidze could possibly profit or benefit from. Fly in Elizaveta Tuktamysheva to skate in the women’s event for Russia and any other 2 non-Tutberidze skaters. That way the brunt of the punishment falls on the irresponsible adults in that specific training camp. In gymnastics, coach Maggie Haney was suspended for 8 years for emotionally harassing her athletes; if she got 8 years for her misconduct, then Team Tutberidze deserves much more punishment for their many sins. Maybe a 20 year suspension for all the Team Tutberidze coaches and doctors is the answer. We need to say goodbye to all of them in the same way we said goodbye to the Karolyi camp in gymnastics.
The misconduct and failed test of that one school/camp should not dramatically shift the results of the entire team event for all of the other athletes given that they did not fail a doping test. Mishina/Galliamov, Kondratiuk and Sinitsina/Katsalapov all performed very well and should be able to retain their team gold medals with Team USA keeping silver and Team Japan keeping bronze. Team USA does not deserve the gold medal given the performances by Karen Chen in the SP&FS and Kneirim/Frazier in the FS. Team Canada certainly does not deserve the bronze medal given both performances by Roman Sadovsky. Team Russia deserves that team gold medal and I will be very upset if those innocent parties are stripped of a gold medal result that they worked extremely hard for and played fairly for at this event.
Are there other examples in Olympic history of an entire team or nation’s results being stripped because of the foul play of one athlete or one camp/school?
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In my country it is only mentioned that a skater named Kamila Valieva tested positive, they listen to it but they don't really care about the news. I think that only the fans are suffering with all this, I feel disconsolate but it will soon pass. Nothing darkens me to remember the moments of glory of Alina, Aliona, Sasha, Anna and Kami, all absolute gems of women's figure skating who really need nothing more than hard work and discipline.
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I'm not sure what you mean here. Serena Williams is a tennis legend here in the States. If I found out tomorrow that she had been using PEDs her entire career, it would break my heart. Maybe we shower these athletes with too much praise but, for me, they're an inspiration.
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This is one of the cases when your reputation will be damaged no matter whether you are in fact guilty of anything. Your success is always the worst evidence against you.
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Lucky you.
There are plenty of examples. Here's just one:
Usain Bolt Stripped of Gold Medal After Relay Teammate Found Guilty of Doping (Published 2017)
Bolt will lose his gold medal from the 4x100 relay from the Beijing Games because a teammate, Nesta Carter, was found guilty of a doping violation.
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Sadly, this is true. No matter what happens from here on out, Kamila will be attached to this scandal for life.This is one of the cases when your reputation will be damaged no matter whether you are in fact guilty of anything. Your success is always the worst evidence against you.
Here's another:There are plenty of examples. Here's just one:
Usain Bolt Stripped of Gold Medal After Relay Teammate Found Guilty of Doping (Published 2017)
Bolt will lose his gold medal from the 4x100 relay from the Beijing Games because a teammate, Nesta Carter, was found guilty of a doping violation.www.nytimes.com
US Men's Relay Team Stripped of 2012 Silver Medal Due to Tyson Gay Doping Case
The United States men's 4x100 relay team from the 2012 Summer Games in London was stripped of its silver medal in the wake of Tyson Gay's doping case...
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I don't think it will be resolved soon. In the first phase it will be decided just whether Kamila will be skating in the individual event. That is what has to be decided very quickly. The rest will be probably a amatter of a longer legal process.
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I bet now Russia wishes they had let Anna skate that FS for the Team.
With how far ahead they are, could they have still won the gold with just the 10points from the women's SP taken away?
With how far ahead they are, could they have still won the gold with just the 10points from the women's SP taken away?
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Here's another:
US Men's Relay Team Stripped of 2012 Silver Medal Due to Tyson Gay Doping Case
The United States men's 4x100 relay team from the 2012 Summer Games in London was stripped of its silver medal in the wake of Tyson Gay's doping case...
I remember this event. What's sad to me is that the rest of the team lost not just their medals but, their reputations we're ruined because Tyson cheated.Here's another:
US Men's Relay Team Stripped of 2012 Silver Medal Due to Tyson Gay Doping Case
The United States men's 4x100 relay team from the 2012 Summer Games in London was stripped of its silver medal in the wake of Tyson Gay's doping case...
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90% chance that the medal will be stripped, 10% that they keep it.
At this point that is the least relevant, everything is already chaos.
Give the medal to USA, let them be happy thinking they are the best figure skaters in the world, let Russia be excluded from all ISU competitions so that other countries have chances to win. USA and everyone happy, so there is no longer an increase in the age limit. Levito at 15 is world champion and no one complains that a girl takes the world and Olympic titles.
At this point that is the least relevant, everything is already chaos.
Give the medal to USA, let them be happy thinking they are the best figure skaters in the world, let Russia be excluded from all ISU competitions so that other countries have chances to win. USA and everyone happy, so there is no longer an increase in the age limit. Levito at 15 is world champion and no one complains that a girl takes the world and Olympic titles.
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But while I was for the changes in the free, you can say this about every discipline, it was not just Kamila.
Its disheartening to see people advocating and being okay with Trusova and Shcherbakova being removed. Everything at this point says they have never had a positive test and they have been getting tested the last 3 years more than Valieva. If an athlete does not have a positive test they should be allowed to compete.
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BTW because too many people "solved the mystery" already from their office in Nero Wolfe style, I think I will copy the story I described in the Russian women thread:
Just because some already want to point at Kamila and others pointing at Eteri "because it would not happen without her knowledge" (while so far there are hundreds of scenarios of what has really happened and will happen), let me tell you the story of what happened to our skater Hana Mašková at Europeans 1969. And I remind you I'm not saying thet to point my finger, it's just an example of a situation that can happen. During the Europeans Mašková was so nervous before her free skate that her mother gave her sedatives without the knowledge of her coach. It wasn't a legal problem, it wasn't a banned substance, at least that time, though the result was that Mašková became apathetic and it of course affected her performance.
Again, it's just to demonstrate one the of tons of possible cases of what happened, and to an adult skater already, not to state "it was that way".
Just because some already want to point at Kamila and others pointing at Eteri "because it would not happen without her knowledge" (while so far there are hundreds of scenarios of what has really happened and will happen), let me tell you the story of what happened to our skater Hana Mašková at Europeans 1969. And I remind you I'm not saying thet to point my finger, it's just an example of a situation that can happen. During the Europeans Mašková was so nervous before her free skate that her mother gave her sedatives without the knowledge of her coach. It wasn't a legal problem, it wasn't a banned substance, at least that time, though the result was that Mašková became apathetic and it of course affected her performance.
Again, it's just to demonstrate one the of tons of possible cases of what happened, and to an adult skater already, not to state "it was that way".
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