Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[Sjs5572]

Do you know if it was that there was residual substance in his body from taking the Trimetazidine before it was banned? I remember a lot of people getting off light for Meldonium with that. If not then 3 months is so lenient.

TMZ was banned in 2014.

 

[jeb]

I agree, I just cannot see how they could possibly justify it legally to let her compete. As much as I would want things to be differently.
I think the most likely scenario is for her to be suspended from the Olympics, but to be given a very lenient and short suspension after that, to be able to compete again at the very latest next GP season. Which would only be fair to her, since she is, again, not at fault and 15yo. That's how they should make use of that "she's a minor" clause.

Totally agree. However, the adults/coaches/team doc should be suspended permanently for child abuse/endangerment.

 

[Greengemmonster]

How is everyone processing this on a personal level?

It took me quite a few days to get my head around it and I'll still be processing this with every development.

I absolutely adore Kamila so my biggest challenge was to process how I felt about her previous victories, about the other skaters at that school and how all this affects my other favorites such as Rika and Bradie.

Before this started I couldn't fathom anything (sports related of course) worse than me tearing up everytime I saw poor Vincent's face! I was so hung up on all his lost dreams I couldn't think of anything worse.

And then sh$t got a lot worse!!!

 

[Oreo]

Well, the Rusnats was at Christmas. This is the biggest holiday in Sweden like in many countries. In Russia it happens a week later. Who knows what kind of delays was just in transportation and the delivery from both Russia and Sweden. That's why I think it's important that Sweden gives us a statement with the correct timeline here.

There is a point to be made that it should also be in Rusada's interest to get the results quick. But I don't know how these tests work. Maybe they just get notified if there is something to report and Russia thought that everything was clear.

And it hasn't been clarified when exactly the Swedish lab received the test.

 

[zanadude]

At this point, the only honorable way out is for Valieva to swallow her pride and voluntarily pull out of the Ladies competition. Even if she truly believes she did nothing wrong, and even if Russia the ROC is successful in getting her in, the competition will be under a dark cloud that will forever envelop both these Games and her entire career.

Being the bigger person and setting her own ambitions aside to do what's best for the sport is the best way to assure that she still has a future in it.

 

[Greengemmonster]

Here's a question, why was this Doctor allowed to continue working with athletes after been caught out giving banned substances to athletes not once, but twice?! I mean just when I think the Russian Figure Skating Fed can't be any more ridiculous and stupid they do this?

Did they WANT their skaters to be doped? Does this doctor have prime blackmail material on important people?

It's just bizarre.

Is this the guy that looks like Snape who is sometimes at KnC?

 

[silveruskate]

At this point, the only honorable way out is for Valieva to swallow her pride and voluntarily pull out of the Ladies competition. Even if she truly believes she did nothing wrong, and even if Russia the ROC is successful in getting her in, the competition will be under a dark cloud that will forever envelop both these Games and her entire career.

Being the bigger person and setting her own ambitions aside to do what's best for the sport is the best way to assure that she still has a future in it.

No.

 

[Greengemmonster]

At this point, the only honorable way out is for Valieva to swallow her pride and voluntarily pull out of the Ladies competition. Even if she truly believes she did nothing wrong, and even if Russia the ROC is successful in getting her in, the competition will be under a dark cloud that will forever envelop both these Games and her entire career.

Being the bigger person and setting her own ambitions aside to do what's best for the sport is the best way to assure that she still has a future in it.

That would require her getting good advice that is designed to get HER out of this mess with as little fall out as possible.

The objective here is not too save her though. I'm more inclined that they're trying to work out how to bury her to save the mighty ones.

At 15 and presumably leading the life that she does, I cannot expect Kamila to have the frame of mind to do what's best for HER.

 

[ci7h2ino4]

No matter what happens this really tarnishes Kamilas image. This also will impact the ability of her and TT to get sponsorships in the future.

 

[zanadude]

No.

"No" what? No, that doesn't salvage her honor? No, there is still a way that everyone can be satisfied with her participation in these Games?

 

[DK74]

Andreea Raducan, age 16, was the Olympic All-Around champion in 2000...

...and she was tested positive DURING the tournament. Kamila was not tested positive after ("during") euorpean championships nor the team event (at least until now nothing different was communicated). The cases are NOT comparable.

How will you explain to the world, that a negative tested athlete will be banned because of a positive test weeks ago, maybe caused by a wrong or not communicated medication (for example)? The whole doping complex is a minefield. One wrong medicine, even common cold medicine, can cause a positive test. A collegue of mine was in the national squad in Karate decades ago and tested for doping from time to time. He told me stories about how carefully he has to handle with medicine and showed me the impressive and long list of known but "forbidden" medicine. Literally he was not able to use any medication used by "normal" people as standard treatment without the risk of being tested positive. This could also happen to Kamila. And this could explain, why it is so complicated for all parties to come to a decission in time.

 

[beachmouse]

Do you know if it was that there was residual substance in his body from taking the Trimetazidine before it was banned? I remember a lot of people getting off light for Meldonium with that. If not then 3 months is so lenient.

The Sun Yang 'secret' doping ban was in 2014, and it was hard to find many fine details on it on the internet- his federation did their best to keep as much information as possible contained by the Great Firewall of China. As much as anyone had about the case here-

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.c...older-stripped-of-1500-free-title-for-doping/

Because the #1 distance swimmer in the world apparently was training through angina and chest pains?

 

[silveruskate]

I'm not sure if posted before but:

World Anti-Doping Code

www.wada-ama.org

This is the Code that the Beijing 2022 Olympics and ITA refer to. For there to be No Significant Fault or Negligence, an athlete 16 and over would have to prove that neither they or the person/entity administering the medicine was at Significant Fault or Negligence. According to 10.6.1.3 for a Protected Person they just have to prove that they committed No Significant Fault or Negligence.

I don't see how Valieva wouldn't qualify for No Significant Fault or Negligence for following the advice of the National Team Doctor. There is nothing more that can be expected of her personally. In that circumstance it suggests a reprimand or upto a maximum of 2 years. I don't know what the reasoning for having to invoke a ban would have to be under those circumstances.

 

[millie]

It seems like there is no remorse for what they are accused of doing! They are continuing to go on as if nothing is happening around them! They blatantly tried to fool the Olympic committee with this doping situation. They knew what they had done wrong and thought they were getting away with it. In my opinion, they all knew what they were doing to this minor, even the parents don’t get a free pass with this abuse of a young girls body and health. Shame, Shame, Shame…

 

[4everchan]

...and she was tested positive DURING the tournament. Kamila was not tested positive after ("during") euorpean championships nor the team event (at least until now nothing different was communicated). The cases are NOT comparable.

The world knows how doping violations work. It doesn't matter WHEN a test is done. It's the result that matters. If it's positive, it's positive.
And in any case, what about testing during Russian Nationals that are Olympic trials? Shouldn't that DQ her from her national title and participation at Olympics? Wouldn't that be fair to other Russian skaters who were trying to qualify?

 

[anonymoose_au]

Is this the guy that looks like Snape who is sometimes at KnC?

Yes that's him his name is Filip something. He was the team doctor of Russia's Olympic rowing team where six athletes tested positive for banned substances.

And just today I learnt that he was also the one behind Bobrova's positive test in 2016 that kept her and Dima out of Worlds.

To make it even worse, I hear he's not Sambo/Crystal's Team doctor but actually the team doctor for all the Russian skaters. So has he being going around slipping all of them drugs this whole time? He clearly doesn't seem to think doping rules apply to him so who knows?! He seems closest to Team Crystal so maybe he is only their doctor. I don't know, but if not Crystal isn't just under scrutiny now, but all of the skates of Russia!

Bravo Rus Skating Fed. WTF were they thinking?

 

[readernick]

I'm going to be honest, this doesn't tarnish Valieva and or any of the other skaters of TT in my mind on a personal level. I would never fault a teenager for following the advice of a team of coaches they were suppose to to trust.

On the other hand, it does tarnish their victories. It also makes my already low ( based on interviews that have been given, videos released) opinion of that team of coaches even lower.

Winning at all cost is a very slippery slope, especially when kids are involved.

 

[Imagine]

At this point, the only honorable way out is for Valieva to swallow her pride and voluntarily pull out of the Ladies competition. Even if she truly believes she did nothing wrong, and even if Russia the ROC is successful in getting her in, the competition will be under a dark cloud that will forever envelop both these Games and her entire career.

Being the bigger person and setting her own ambitions aside to do what's best for the sport is the best way to assure that she still has a future in it.

Nah, this sport is and always has been dirty. It deserves to completely burn down along with the rest of these 2022 Faux-lympic games. It’s pretty obvious at this point that Kamila no longer has a future in this sport, innocent or not. Some people clearly have their minds made up about her, with or without real evidence. She should just do her job, which is to skate if legally allowed to, and let the ROC, IOC, and ISU mop up the ensuing mess. It’s what these people deserve.

 

[Ziotic]

Here's a question, why was this Doctor allowed to continue working with athletes after been caught out giving banned substances to athletes not once, but twice?! I mean just when I think the Russian Figure Skating Fed can't be any more ridiculous and stupid they do this?

Did they WANT their skaters to be doped? Does this doctor have prime blackmail material on important people?

It's just bizarre.

I mean, you’ve answered the question really.

They in fact must want their skaters to have an advantage and as such, employ this Dr.

The mistake is hiring someone who’s been caught twice, they should have found someone who hasn’t gotten caught.

 

[NaVi]

Thinking to how counterfeit Oxycontin and other opioids use Fentanyl, I wonder if what happened is they found some alternative to Meldonium or Trimetazidine but whoever their source was slipped in Trimetazidine thinking whoever is the consumer wouldn't be able to tell the difference. There are supply-line issues for a lot of products so maybe they'd look at shady online pharmacies or the dark web.