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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

Just one accuracy improvement of the known facts:

As for the lifting of the Kamila's original suspension it was not a matter of RUSADA but the Disciplinary Anti-Doping Committee:

As a result of the Agency receiving a request from the representatives of the athlete, on February 09, 2022, a meeting of the Disciplinary Anti-Doping Committee (DAC) was held. On the same day, the DAK decided to lift the provisional suspension, which was notified to the athlete and the relevant anti-doping organizations: the Russian Figure Skating Federation, the International Skating Union, WADA, the IOC and ITA. Please note that DAK is an independent body in its operational activities, created to conduct hearings and make a decision on a possible violation of the rules. RAA RUSADA has no right to influence the decisions made by the committee.

Source:
You make it sound like RUSADA and DAC are two completely different entities, which is not true. DAC is just the branch of RUSADA that deals with these hearings. Even on the homepage you linked, if you go to other news items, it is referred to as "Disciplinary Anti-Doping Committee of RAA RUSADA (hereinafter referred to as DAC RAA RUSADA)" [link].
 
Well that's interesting! If this committee really is independent, I assume the story is correct, I wonder what evidence they saw that made them lift the restriction. 🤔 Is this an unusual thing for them to do? If so it must have been compelling?
It is a national committee. Whether it is a part of RUSADA or not does not make much difference to me as they are both subject to the same MInistry of Sports, formally or informally.
 
And with a 15 year old girl suffering immensely emotionally. I thought girls and women were supposed to be cared for and their feelings concerned about and understood like Simone Biles a grown woman last summer? What about KV she's been thrown to the wolves and is a little girl?
Forget about sports for the moment I hope she can recover mentally and come back after her suspension and be spectacular again.

Yes Mista her suspension variables are many.
I think they are going to treat her as a minor but she's almost 16 so is there any chance they will treat her as an adult? The maximum suspension for a minor is 24 months. I think it's a staggering 48 months for an adult athlete who tests positive.

I may not be realistic but I am somehow hoping for no more than a 12 month suspension and preferably preferably a 9 month suspension with follow up investigations that could change the length.

Maybe the people in power will give KV a break but I wouldn't look for them to give the Russian federation a break.
Zero tolerance on doping….
 
You make it sound like RUSADA and DAC are two completely different entities, which is not true. DAC is just the branch of RUSADA that deals with these hearings. Even on the homepage you linked, if you go to other news items, it is referred to as "Disciplinary Anti-Doping Committee of RAA RUSADA (hereinafter referred to as DAC RAA RUSADA)" [link].
I am aware of that, so please do not "make it sound" like I am trying to cover anything. The basic fact is not different, that "DAK is an independent body in its operational activities". It's nothing unusual, most institutions with wide sphere of activity have internal bodies that are working independently on the rest (inspections, consultative boards and so on).
 
I am aware of that, so please do not "make it sound" like I am trying to cover anything. The basic fact is not different, that "DAK is an independent body in its operational activities". It's nothing unusual, most institutions with wide sphere of activity have internal bodies that are working independently on the rest (inspections, consultative boards and so on).
So what?
IOC, WADA, and ISU still filed against RUSADA and CAS accepted these cases which tells me that RUSADA is the body which ultimately issued the lifting of the suspension [source: see CAS statement in OP]. It doesn't matter what the internal RUSADA branch is called that did it.
Or - and given the past history of incompetence this is probably not outside the realm of possibility - IOC, WADA, and ISU all filed against the wrong body which should make this an easy enough case for Kamila's lawyers.
 
I updated my list of people suspending by testing positive to trimetazidine with the French-Russian wrestler Zelimkhan Khadjiev who tested positive in 2019 and was suspended for 4 years and for which CAS confirmed the suspension. I do find his explanation a bit hard to believe... he said coach recommended he use trimetazidine for leg pain and then a pharmacist was willing to give it to him without a prescription. I would find it a bit more believable if he wasn't from a former soviet country where most people who have tested positive for trimetazidine have been from.

https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/t...-controversy-update-12-feb.90942/post-2931596

This page took me forever to load, but here's an interesting article from a doctor defending Zelimkhan Khadjiev.

https://www.esanum.com/today/posts/doping-the-challenges-of-weak-scientific-evidence

esanum: Why is trimetazidine on this red list?

Dr. Jean-Pierre de Mondenard: That's what I would like to know. I have asked the WADA, which issues this list. I did not get an answer. There are no studies showing that this substance has any doping effect. When in July 2020 Khadjiev went before the disciplinary chamber of the International Wrestling Federation - which expelled him - his lawyer asked WADA to produce scientific proof of the doping nature of trimetazidine. WADA provided a 2014 Polish study2 showing that it was possible to find the substance in the urine of volleyball players. This put the effectiveness of the laboratory into question, but said absolutely nothing on whether trimetazidine improves performance.

The only other study available is the results of the tests carried out in Sochi during the 2014 Winter Olympics: out of 2,134 urine and 479 blood tests, trimetazidine was found only once. I would point out that trimetazidine does not mask the doping effect of another substance either, in which case it would appear in a specific paragraph of the list of illegal products.

The World Anti-Doping Code, which is enforced by WADA, has set three criteria for a product to be on this red list. It must enhance performance, which in this case there is no evidence of. It must present a proven or potential health risk, which is the case for any drug. Finally, it must be "contrary to the spirit of sport", therefore taken with the intention of improving results. Even a placebo can meet this last criterion. These three conditions raise questions.

When it was placed on the Red List in 2014, WADA explained that trimetazidine was one of the "emerging modalities of doping". We are talking about a substance that has been on the market since 1964... In fact, when a substance that is authorised but diverted from its therapeutic indications appears to be more widely used by athletes, WADA can put it "under surveillance". For example, if it is found more and more often during testing. This is often the first step before it is put on the red list. Trimetazidine has never been placed under surveillance.

In 2014, trimetazidine was first classified as a "specific stimulant" and therefore prohibited only in competition. In the event of a test, the sanction could be reduced or even cancelled if the athlete in question showed that he or she had not taken it to improve his or her performance. But in 2015, without any supporting scientific studies, trimetazidine was reclassified in the category of "non-specified metabolic and hormonal modulators", because of its supposed action on cardiac metabolism. As a consequence, it is now prohibited even out of competition. At the first offence, the athlete is banned for four years.

Why this red list classification in 2014 and this change of category in 2015? It is a mystery, and in the absence of an explanation, we can only hypothesise that trimetazidine was banned because of its similarity to another substance without any scientific work validating this change of category.

I am not alone in questioning the presence of trimetazidine on the red list. Pascal Kintz is professor of toxicology at the University of Strasbourg (France). He is a leading expert and a judicial expert at the Court of Cassation (esanum’s note: In France, the “Cour de Cassation” is the highest court in the French judiciary). In the editorial note3 of the latest edition of the French scientific journal Toxicologie analytique et Clinique, he describes the mechanism of action of trimetazidine as "not yet fully established" and recalls its damaging side effects that would be of crucial impairment for a sportsperson: drop in blood pressure and parkinsonian-type effects. Professor Kintz even writes: "It appears to be illusory to want to find an interest in improving performance with trimetazidine".

This is the Polish study WADA refers to according to this doctor: https://analyticalsciencejournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/dta.1755

This is an editorial(thus I don't think peer reviewed) in a scientific journal asking if trimetazidine should be removed from WADA list: https://www.em-consulte.com/article/1396599/la-trimetazidine-vastarel-est-elle-un-produit-dopant (I can't open this in sci-hub).

There are some quotes from that editorial in this news article: https://www.lequipe.fr/Lutte-libre/...-khadjiev-dans-son-conflit-avec-l-ama/1191820

Here's just a couple general overview articles in french that quote the above criticism on the doping effect of trimetazidine.

https://www.midilibre.fr/2022/02/11...apres-le-test-antidopage-positif-10103496.php
https://www.sudouest.fr/sport/jeux-...ine-au-coeur-de-l-affaire-valieva-8621364.php
 
So what?
IOC, WADA, and ISU still filed against RUSADA and CAS accepted these cases which tells me that RUSADA is the body which ultimately issued the lifting of the suspension [source: see CAS statement in OP]. It doesn't matter what the internal RUSADA branch is called that did it.
Or - and given the past history of incompetence this is probably not outside the realm of possibility - IOC, WADA, and ISU all filed against the wrong body which should make this an easy enough case for Kamila's lawyers.
How did I introduce the post? "Just one accuracy improvement of the known facts".
I wasn't promising any everything paper turning everything upside down, nor anything considerably important. Only being more precise. Again, when an institution/organization (from mistry to a civil association) has such internal body, like I mentioned above, it bears responsibility for them even if it can't influence the actions of it.

That's all I can say on this matter, anything else would be just unnecessary prolonging of non-existing issue.
 
I wanted to create a seperate post for this in one of the articles I linked to before.

But there is still a thornier issue to be resolved: determining the consequences for his team, which won Monday ahead of the United States and Japan, Canada taking fourth place.

"In this situation not provided for by the texts, I do not see how the team could be deprived of its gold medal", estimates Pierre-Olivier Rocchi, lawyer in Paris and specialist in anti-doping. Unlike the athletics regulations, which sanction an entire relay if a runner has previously tested positive, the ISU regulations only provide for collective disqualification in the event of a control during the competition.
According to this lawyer, the ISU only allows for collective disqualification for failing a drug test at that competition.
 
If a drug "demonstrates an increase in endurance performance of athletes" than that is a good enough reason to be banned...
Well, as far as I know, it also has to be harmful to the athlete otherwise you can ban food or at least limit calories intake.
Food definitely 'increase endurance and performance', well fed athlete performs much much better than starving ones.

But reasons to ban like 'because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance' (from M. Sharapova case) ...
That is not enough. Athletes do A LOT to "enhance performance", you cannot ban something just because it has some benefits.
It also has to be harmful. According to my knowledge, harm has never been shown. At least I'm unable to find any research that shows harm.

There are thousands of substances that increase performance in various aspects. Mostly because they just improve how our body works.
Starting with basic food and ending with hormones/etc.
And WADA just follow logic 'can we ban it? sure, why not, it is not critical to survive."

Health (well being, long term consequences) are not longer a parameter.
So with advances in medicine/food production it will create just more and more complex situations, where incidents are unavoidable and everybody is guilty (or at least they cannot be sure that they haven't done anything wrong).

Unfortunately, when all power is consolidated within single hands, there is no reason for WADA to limit it, it's against the nature of any bureaucrat, so situation will be worse and worse.
(Btw, it is not the task of the WADA to do research. They rely on the findings of other research institutes, universities, medical schools, etc.)
Sure but they are free to cherry pick research. And in before 2015 there are not so many research papers at all.
 
Meaning you would charge her as an adult athlete and face a 4 year suspension instead of as a minor athlete and face a 24 months suspension?

Just curious on how hard you want the powers that be to bring down the hammer on Valieva.

I'm not sure what purpose going extra hard on her will serve, I hope they're lenient on her,
but launch an investigation stretching beyond just RUSADA into her entire environment,
I'm ready for the face of this scandal to change and I hope it happens as fast as tomorrow.
 
So we won't know what the verdict is until 24 hours before the women's SP is set to begin. And if there is an appeal how long that will take.

The cynic in me says nothing will come of this - a minor suspension after the games, Kamila competes for now, the team gold remains, six months from now the ban is lifted on Russian athletes not being able to technically compete as Russian athletes and things will go on as before and before that. Sambo or whatever it's called will also go on as before.

The realist in my says nothing will come of this - a minor suspension after the games, Kamila competes for now, the team gold remains, six months from now the ban is lifted on Russian athletes not being able to technically compete as Russian athletes and things will go on as before and before that. Sambo or whatever it's called will also go on as before.

I am amazed (impressed?) that this thread is almost 100 pages to date. And by the thoughtful and informed posts. But in the end will it all mean anything?

And the Skate Gods are probably playing poker or catching up on their sleep.
 
I wanted to create a seperate post for this in one of the articles I linked to before.


According to this lawyer, the ISU only allows for collective disqualification for failing a drug test at that competition.
So in theory, by ISU rules, even if Kamila is suspended, seems like the team can keep the gold, because she wasn't tested positive during the olys.
Unless, WADA's rules are above all international federations' rules.
 
I'm not sure what purpose going extra hard on her will serve, I hope they're lenient on her,
but launch an investigation stretching beyond just RUSADA into her entire environment,
I'm ready for the face of this scandal to change and I hope it happens as fast as tomorrow.
What would leniency be? 24 months 12 months or 9 months?

But yes the deeper investigation into how she got it into her system will be far trickier to do.
I do hope this was just a one-time positive sample for KV and then she can move on with her career and life!

And we can't forget we don't really have all the facts of this case maybe not even half the facts.
 
So in theory, by ISU rules, even if Kamila is suspended, seems like the team can keep the gold, because she wasn't tested positive during the olys.
Unless, WADA's rules are above all international federations' rules.
I don't think so because she would still be DSQ which means Russia would still lose 20 points. They might still get bronze depending on how the points are redistributed but the gold would be gone. I do agree that her teammates shouldn't have their results disqualified.
 
What would leniency be? 24 months 12 months or 9 months?

Well I'm no authority on the matter :laugh: but Berezhnaya got 3 months back in 2000,
which had her missing the season with titles revoked but being able to go back training in the summer,
though a lot might've changed since then and I think this TMZ is more frowned upon
 
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I don't think so because she would still be DSQ which means Russia would still lose 20 points. They might still get bronze depending on how the points are redistributed but the gold would be gone. I do agree that her teammates shouldn't have their results disqualified.
I’m incline to agree that the others shouldn’t be disqualified.

It’s an odd rule though for teams. In say curling and relay the whole team is disqualified but in hockey one team member doping doesn’t disqualify the whole team?
 
I don't think so because she would still be DSQ which means Russia would still lose 20 points. They might still get bronze depending on how the points are redistributed but the gold would be gone. I do agree that her teammates shouldn't have their results disqualified.
Yeah, I'm still not convinced by that lawyer's statement. In a speed skating relay race it's much harder to disaggregate out the individual parts in comparison to this figure skating team event. But the text may just be general to both figure skating and speed skating.
 
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