Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[Mista Ekko]

I have been telling that people for the second day that this drug should be used systematically and for a long time. But they just ignore these remarks. They already have their own comfortable world with the magic pill that Valieva took at the Russian Championship and thanks to which she is so amazing

Would that be people in the media?
I missed anybody here calling it a "Magic pill".

 

[Zora]

IMO the skating community has very little experience talking about doping, how it works, how drugs are periodized, the appeal process, etc. etc. etc., so much of what I read in this case shows lack of familiarity. I wish there were more technical and medical experts weighing in on skating news coverage just to help discussion along. By contrast, in track and field, posters in chat rooms are very knowledgeable about all this stuff! They live with this information every day and are able to dissect minutiae.

That wasn't a figure skating expert, but a journalist who specialised in doping. And I just mentioned his arguments that speak for letting Kamila compete, of course he also mentioned the arguments that speak against it, but those are very apparent. For me it was interesting to hear reasons why she could be allowed to compete.

 

[Mista Ekko]

The Russian boards are now full of rumours that she lost her case and will be removed from competition in the next hours.

Well that would depends on their definition of "lost", compared to some other cases in the field If she can get back
to skating quickly it would be a positive thing, but I guess anything that keeps her off the ice this week is a loss to them

 

[Draculus]

Maybe I wouldn't read so much into it if Eteri wouldn't have blamed her students in her interviews in the past, including saying Evgenia was too heavy when she actually was at her lowest, as only one example . But it's normal for her team, Daniil does the same every chance he has. Adults blaming kids.

True, both are not an epitome of an ethical orator. Neither am I.
But by twisting their words you actually just blur the real issue.

 

[Sjs5572]

Why are you asking about it here? Go, create it.

I was being wryly rhetorical.

 

[skatedreamer]

Very good example of whatever Eteri said - she's THE EVIL.
She is ba-a-aad, baa-aaa-aad.

It does not matter what she said (included nothing) - there are always people who would read into her words (even silence) whatever they want.

Considering that many are blaming ET and team for giving the drug to Kamila, an interview on Russian TV would have been a great opportunity for ET to make a statement on her own behalf as well as defending Kamila.

I'd really be interested in seeing a transcript of the whole interview. In English, of course...Russian is far beyond my feeble language skills!

 

[Mista Ekko]

They're leaving the room (on the video feed)

The man is saying the panel will deliberate, announcement tomorrow
(he also said "in a few hours" which would imply tomorrow morning till noon CHN time)

 

[florin]

English-speaking, please write what the man said. I don't understand English by ear. I think he says that everyone will say tomorrow?

 

[Ziotic]

quotes from the article (bold is mine):

"A randomized study showed that TMZ therapy at a dose of 20 mg 3 times a day for 15 days improves the contractility of the heart muscle at rest, and also reduces the severity of its ischemic dysfunction observed during dobutamine stress echocardiography"

"It was found that in combination therapy with TMZ and nitrates, β-AB, AK lasting 4 weeks the duration of the treadmill test, the total volume of the load, the time before the appearance of ST-segment ischemic depression and anginal pain significantly increase, and the need for nitroglycerin significantly decreases."

I have been telling that people for the second day that this drug should be used systematically and for a long time. But they just ignore these remarks. They already have their own comfortable world with the magic pill that Valieva took at the Russian Championship and thanks to which she is so amazing

What you described is almost exactly what many have said was happening.

Long term systemic doping that likely didn’t involve only Valieva.

 

[skatedreamer]

Are they the rules? The rules say anything from a reprimand to 2 years....and we already have an example of Raducan not banned at all. Sun Yang for 3 months as an adult taking Trimetazidine. Sergeeva had her provisional suspension lifted, also a Trimetazidine case.

If Valieva has shown no Significant Fault or Negligence I wonder what the justification for a long ban would be. And in this specific provisional suspension case we know how late the sample was tested. Valieva could have appealed and been acquitted if they tested her sample in time.

I wasn't talking about a long ban, only that IMO she should not be allowed to skate in the FS at this Olympics. And for the record, my opinion would be the same for a skater from the US or any other country.

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

Wow, I'm actually surprised someone talked to the journalists when they left the room. So decision tomorrow sometime between 1 and 3pm probably by press release.

 

[Scott512]

The most common problems with samples are stuff like the sample was improperly collected, stored, preserved; lab duplicate shows concentrations of the substance analyzed that are significantly different; chemistry shows sample cross-contamination; the detected quantity is too close to call because of the method detection limit (i.e. if concentration breaks guideline by simply being detected, and detected quantity is so small that the method’s resolution can’t guarantee if it is a yes or no). If lab results are in question, that’s what is being discussed, as well as CoC is scrutinized and the specifics of the substance exceedance in question. They probably called in Subject Matter Experts who would be pouring over the lab data. If they could dismiss it on an easy technicality like a break in the CoC (say sample came into lab at a wrong temp or they can identify a clear disconnect in CoC) they would absolutely try that. But lab itself wouldn’t release a sample with questionable CoC. Its own QA/QC should call the sample invalid before they call the test positive.

Does the longer the meeting goes favor KV? I would have thought they would have reinstated the suspension within the first hour or two.

 

[lariko]

Maybe I wouldn't read so much into it if Eteri wouldn't have blamed her students in her interviews in the past, including saying Evgenia was too heavy when she actually was at her lowest, as only one example . But it's normal for her team, Daniil does the same every chance he has. Adults blaming kids.

There is a thread on Twitter that collected systematically everything that Eteri said about her students, the ones who made it to the prime times and those who didn’t, and it’s not pretty.

 

[florin]

What you described is almost exactly what many have said was happening.

Long term systemic doping that likely didn’t involve only Valieva.

Only the last piece in the puzzle in this perverted conspiracy picture is missing - how to avoid accidental doping checks? Don't start talking about the "short half-life of TMZ", don't even think (most of you people obviously don't understand what it is). Just take note that it takes many days to get the medicine out of the body. So - how to avoid accidental doping checks?

 

[Amei]

What I find incredible is Eteri implying that if indeed there is doping, it is only by Kamila's choice and action. By saying Kamila is "innocent and clean" and she "stands by her". The nerve of this woman... She did not say, Our team is innocent and Kamila is clean and that she stands by herself and her team. NO, she stands BY KAMILA as if she could be the only one guilty, not the freaking adults!

Well Eteri's career is on the line here potentially as they are investigating Valieva's coaching team for this situation; so her and likely all of the coaches responses are going to be measured responses to avoid putting the blame on themselves either. Is it right - well that depends on who was/is the source of the banned substance Valieva tested positive for, everyone has their assumptions but no concrete evidence at this point, but if someone's career is on the line its likely how they will react.

 

[Scott512]

Wow, I'm actually surprised someone talked to the journalists when they left the room. So decision tomorrow sometime between 1 and 3pm probably by press release.

That's very unprofessional with all those scummy journalists hanging around.

 

[florin]

There is a thread on Twitter that collected systematically everything that Eteri said about her students, the ones that made it to the prime times and those who didn’t, and it’s not pretty.

And this is the final argument to accuse her of drugging Kamila. The case is closed!

 

[norwegianfairytale]

I wonder, is Kamila allowed to speak with her lawyer alone for advice? Since she is underaged?

 

[Mista Ekko]

That's very unprofessional with all those scummy journalists hanging around.

That's a little intense scotty...

 

[silveruskate]

Only the last piece in the puzzle in this perverted conspiracy picture is missing - how to avoid accidental doping checks? Don't start talking about the "short half-life of TMZ", don't even think (most of you people obviously don't understand what it is). Just take note that it takes many days to get the medicine out of the body. So - how to avoid accidental doping checks?

Wasn't there talk about microdosing?