Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[Wafflecakes]

Super proud of competitors past and present brave enough to take a stand against doping.

A raised eyebrow at those who stay silent.

 

[Wafflecakes]

no, it should be read like this (preliminarily assuming that Kamila systematically took trimetazidine, which is not proven): "Without trimetazidine, Kamila would have shown the same results as with it."

That is, in fact, she will still remain the best. When you talk about the moral suffering of other skaters, for some reason you do not take this fact into account. And skaters will know that the medal was actually received not by them, but by lawyers. Is such a victory valuable?

I think most of them would rather receive a medal from a lawyer than from a pharmacist.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Wow that's the explanation of the century! An almost 6 hour 50 minute explanation fitting for a 6 hour 50 minutes CAS emergency meeting.

Too bad all we get is one page outlining not much really

 

[GGFan]

The problem, which I mentioned several years ago on this board when all of the shenanigans from 2014 came out is that WADA is woefully underpowered to go up against entire governments and with ROC we have cases wherein the government gets involved. Tests get removed from rooms, results disappear, etc. WADA is not a true intelligence agency and they could never rival the Russian government.

 

[KaoriFan]

This development is outrageous. All athlete who violate doping should not be allowed to compete. It's not fair to the other skaters.

Can the IOC please ban figure skating from olympics already? No more jumping beans. I would much rather watch mature skaters with developed skating skills and good jumps instead of teenager jump only skaters who are abused by state program for olympic medal.

 

[Alchamei]

Super proud of competitors past and present brave enough to take a stand against doping.

A raised eyebrow at those who stay silent.

I would not blame necessarily those who are silent... Some may wait for more information about the case to make their own mind. My stance is pretty clear, but I do realize this is a complex case.

Also competitors who will compete tomorrow probably want to concetrate on the competition and don't want to take part in the drama.

And I don't think there would be someone brave enough to refuse to participate, and it's not their responsibility.

 

[WeakAnkles]

From the Associated Press:

The Valieva case means Russian doping has been a major theme for a six straight Olympic Games.

Six straight Olympics.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Super proud of competitors past and present brave enough to take a stand against doping.

A raised eyebrow at those who stay silent.

I agree on the first statement statement

the second, well... it's been decided on by a professional committee,
so some people will just respect that, if only out of lack of understanding\knowledge of the material.

 

[Amei]

I'm heartbroken for the other athletes that podium here, if Valieva makes it on the podium (which seems like she would have to majorly implode for it to not happen) they won't get a flower or medal ceremony. Their Olympic moment is ruined for her to have her moment.

 

[Zora]

I doubt anyone will think Kami is a hero for testing positive for a banned substance.

Not for testing positive, but for likely winning gold despite all the negative (western) media attention. Seeing how skaters like Medvedeva are happy for her, I don't think that's far off. And reading all the claims that this drug basically does nothing, it doesn't really seem to be considered a big problem.

 

[cheerknithanson]

I’m still excited to see the women’s event. Maybe I’m being naive and optimistic, but I’m going in being excited to watch skating.

 

[Scott512]

Too bad all we get is one page outlining not much really

It was more than I expected and it's like the statement was protecting this girl as the minor athlete she is according to the ioc rule book. This meant something for KV competing in the lady's discipline but I don't know if she is will be there to save her a few months down the road.

 

[GGFan]

If it wasn't for USADA Lance Armstrong would have never been held accountable. If it wasn't for RUSADA scores of athletes would have been held accountable. It makes a big difference whether government and government adjacent entities are working against doping or not.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

You literally have no evidence to back any of this up.

Once again. Eteri would not give this medication if she did not think it gave an edge, and WADA agrees. Unless you are saying that Eteri is also stupid, which I somewhat doubt. Evil? Yes. Stupid? No.

Everything else is fluff and noise.

Hell even in a hypothetical universe where the drug did nothing for athletes... it would change nothing because it is still on the list of substances athletes agree not to take and they broke that agreement.

why is there no proof? Yesterday I gave links to scientific studies, you could read in detail.

You ask why Eteri used these pills. Excuse me, who told you she used them? You present your own conjectures as a real, established fact. The fact of the matter is that, seeing the obvious uselessness of the drug, I strongly doubt that a smart coach or doctor would use it.

Well, I don’t argue about the fact that taking any drug on the banned list is a violation. I don't know how many more times I need to say this.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Isn´t 6 normal maximum skaters at senior levels? This starting to look like a parody. I get they wanna diminish the damage but 7 skaters in the last group. Who does it help? It does´t give any athlete any comfort.

 

[Magill]

Thank you!!!

 

[KaoriFan]

I’m still excited to see the women’s event. Maybe I’m being naive and optimistic, but I’m going in being excited to watch skating.

I will watch Kaori's skates another day. But I will not watch the event if someone test positive for doping and allowed to skate.

 

[Alchamei]

Isn´t 6 normal maximum skaters at senior levels? This starting to look like a parody. I get they wanna diminish the damage but 7 skaters in the last group. Who does it help? It does´t give any athlete any comfort.

As I understand it, the first group, not last, will have 7 skaters.

But yeah, it's a parody at this point.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

Well, I insist that the drug "does nothing." But this is the wrong wording, it should have been written like this: "does not give an advantage in sports."

However, I didn’t really understand what Internet trolls had to do with it and what evidence I was lying about, but that’s not the point.

It's just that I more or less carefully read the results of studies that reveal the mechanism of action of the drug and the results of its use. I already wrote about this yesterday, but I can briefly repeat:

1) When the heart wears out, one of the results of this is the launch of abnormal biochemical processes, the accumulation of "garbage" (free radicals, in particular).
2) Under the influence of "garbage", the wear of the heart accelerates, as a result, the abnormal biochemical process becomes even more intense. This is called positive feedback.
3) Trimetazidine blocks the abnormal biochemical process, which allows the heart to gradually clear itself of "garbage" and recover to a large extent.

So, in a healthy person, this most abnormal biochemical process does not dominate even without trimetazidine, it simply does not need to be suppressed. For such an anomalous process to dominate, it is not enough just to get very tired in training, you need to seriously ruin your heart.

So yes, trimetazidine increases stamina - you just don't need to understand by this that someone trains for 12 hours instead of four. This simply means that a person with a weak heart will be able to climb stairs more confidently after three weeks of therapy, for example.

None of this is relevant. It’s a banned substance period. You don’t make the rules.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

I think most of them would rather receive a medal from a lawyer than from a pharmacist.

Kamila wouldn't have received a medal from a pharmacist anyway - even if drug testing hadn't been done at all. But there are already quite a lot of owners of very dubious lawyer's medals.