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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

taking a banned substance is okay!

Is WADA ever wrong? I know that for many the charge iteself is the same as a guilty verdict.... but... you know.... what if (as remote as the possibility seems right now) this is a Calalang (wrongly diagnosed mistake by the doping authorities)?

Is Calalang used as a term for a doping charge that gets reversed? Cause it should be....

Did any doping authority ever even apologize in that case?
 
Its actually a good strategy by the IOC in a way... keeps the ROC, USOC, and the Japanese Fed all thinking they could win big in the end. Not wanting to disrupt too much and get bad blood.

I think it would be a whole different story if say the Chinese came in 2nd in the team. They would be out for blood.

Even if Canada had come 5th and China came 4th and denied bronze…
 
Can we stop comparing ADHD meds approved by a doctor and registered with WADA to...

... a heart medication not approved for minors, banned by WADA, and without a medical reason?

It is insulting to everyone that people pretend the two are remotely comparable. It is frankly disgusting. Some people have legit medical conditions and need medication to compete. This IS NOT THE SAME as Russia drugging minors with PED's that have no medical reason to be taken.

Russia could 100% use the same exemptions as everyone else for medical reasons. They can't and won't because they know they have no medical reasons to use these drugs.
 
I think Anna Sasha and KV are probably all mentally and physically worn down and I doubt we will see anything close to their best in the ladies competition.

I doubt anyone will think Kami is a hero for testing positive for a banned substance. I think some people are upset with how she's being treated. Some people here don't seem to think Kamila deserves legal representation in this matter when all accused do deserve that including violent criminals who harm people.
But as a minor athlete she gets treated as a minor athlete according to the ioc rules.
apart from the hell she and partially Anna and Sasha had top traverse the last week, the timing made alla the difference in the world.

After and we would had a regular competition which result would be appealed (it happenend more than one time at the olympics).
Not ideal of course but at least everybody would have skated in the best state of mind.

Before and Kamila would have been replaced with an excuse (injury/covid/whatever) protecting the minor from the scandal and letting the other have a regular competition.

The way it was done is really irresponsibile with a minor thrown to the wolves and all the skating events in the dumpster.
 
But the samples are anonymous - so they couldn't have any way of knowing it's Valieva sample, or any Russian sample for that matter? So the conspiracy the Swedish lab delayed the testing on purpose would be false. Also, if the sample was not marked as a prioroty sample, that would be another argument against it.
I have already written - there is no complete anonymity. They should have accompanying information that the urine sample belongs to a 15-year-old single lady from the Russian Figure Skating Championships. This dramatically narrows the number of possible options - there are only four such skaters. Considering that the other three took low places (up to the 16th), the probability that the sample was provided by Camilla is very likely.
 
All I have to say is raise the age already so we don't have to deal with "protected persons" any more.
As best I can tell from a quick read is being a minor is the ONLY reason she gets to compete. Though I’d be surprised if we see her best work now.

So- yeah- raise the age if that will avoid this mess is the future.

No medal ceremony if she lands in the top 3 speaks for itself. And of course- still no medal ceremony for the teams.

This is absurd imo.
 
yep. what is the point in pair event? Just give Chinese the gold. and other three top teams should be shamefully sent away. and never ever be inivted anywehere.

I don’t think the Russian pairs should suffer in their individual event because of the Valieva’s positive test. In the team, of course their medals should be stripped and I’m sad they will likely have to face this indignity because of another athlete (as with all doping stripped medals).

I’m incensed that the medal ceremony for team will have to be postponed, with those clean athletes being denied their Olympic moment.

And with the women’s ceremony not happening at the Olympics and Valieva likely coming top 3 I feel terrible for the skater who comes 4th as well as the second and third place skaters who don’t get their podium moment.
 

But you don’t compete at the Olympics, and you don’t set records. You say they won't trust Russian skaters. And a lot of people don't trust Simone, despite all her documented permissions.

Is it worth it to compete at the Olympics for people who really, and not just according to the documents, have such a serious illness? Overloading can cause deterioration. Okay, let's get serious about doping. The first thing to do is to ban all therapeutic exceptions. Because this is a real reason for more than serious doubts. Well, or let the runner bring a certificate that he is sick - and while everyone else is running, he will go to the finish line in a Ferrari.

But they will never cancel therapeutic exceptions, because most of these documents are issued for athletes from the US team, and WADA is largely an American organization. Everyone knows this, but somehow there is little talk about morality.

I know you as a hot-tempered one, but a real honest fan - try to understand my point of view. Now Valieva has been “caught”, and the noise is sky-high. And at the same Olympics, Norwegian short trackers openly breathe some kind of medical rubbish from nebulizers - and completely calmness. And although legally you can’t find fault with them - but is it really fair?
How is WADA "largely an American organization?" And what do therapeutic exemptions have to do with this case? What is unfair is competing after taking a banned substance. Allowing someone else a medical exemption doesn't change that.
 
If I were an audience member I would absolutely turn my back while Valieva skated, in protest.

While Valieva likely had very little agency in testing positive, one thing is true — Kamila has a choice in whether or not she competes, even if the same team responsible for doping her would compel her to still compete.

By choosing to continue to compete she takes ownership of all the good - and inevitable bad - that comes with that decision. And while I sympathize with her for what’s happened up until this point, that is something I have zero sympathy for.

She absolutely knows that if she competes/comes top 3 there is no women’s medal ceremony, and can have that medal stripped later, and will be forever known as the first Olympic figure skater to be stripped of their medals for doping.
 
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People being self righteous and naive believing there is such thing as clean pro sport amuse me
Ah the...

"Its not cheating because in my imagination everyone is doing it!!!!"

...argument. How brilliant and original.

I am a school teacher and see that logic every day. Every kid caught cheating on a test insists that everyone else does it to, so they should not be punished. I don't know if they are just messed up enough to believe everyone is as morally bankrupt as they are... or if they are just brazen liars.
 
The olympics threatened to ban figure skating if there is another scandal after 2002. I wish they would, but I don't think they will. Figure skating would be so much better without the nationalistic olympic culture.
Absolutely better.
ISU would be force to create something different from 4 international competition/year and an olympic every 4 year that become the focus of every skater just the day ofter the previous olympic ends.

on the other end, some state money support will fall off so it would be hard at least at the start.
Sponsor money will also be less without the perspective of signing the next olympic champion

Note: international competition
GP final
EUC
4CC
WC
GPF and WC are the only competitions where you can see all the best skater (assuming the selection criteria does not screw it up and it happens) while I can see the best alpine skiers fighting it of every week.
 
but she was caught and let her participate because "everyone dope" is pure idiocy
whatever the reason is that is not the one.
She's participanting subjudice because they did not have a final verdict about her suspension yet
 
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