Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[yume]

You know what really yanks my chain about this situation? (Anger is NOT directed at Kamila, btw)

That the other skaters/teams have now been or will be denied their medal ceremonies because the Russians can't abide by the rules. Even if the ROC team keeps the gold, the US and Japanese teams will never get that medal ceremony moment back. If by some fluke the ROC girls don't take all 3 podium spots, as long as Kamila is on that podium, if a non-ROC skater joins her, they'll be denied their medal ceremony moment too.

These people work their whole lives to have that moment, and the Russians' inability to compete without breaking the rules just depresses me. If the Russians get off with yet another limp, damp Kleenex slap on the wrist, I'm done.

And yeah, that lab who delayed reporting the test results should hang their heads in shame.

Yeah, i disagree with the no medal ceremony. They should let the athletes enjoy the medals they win at the moment. I don't care for team medals but i wanted to see Miura/Kihara happy with their bronze.

 

[Scott512]

I rather my opinion not be well received than the ruling having gone the other way. Haha

If it means Kamila gets to skate, then pour all the scorn you want on me. I’ll take that trade.

You know who else doesn’t practice well? Anna. But when the lights go on, who is always there at the end?

Let her get out all her emotions now and be ready tomorrow.

Plus, Kamila doesn’t even have to be perfect to win. Kamila is tough, so have faith in her.

I hope she is perfect so she doesn’t give any scorned judges a chance to work their magic though.

As a famous man once said, V is for Victory, V is is Vengeance, V is for Valieva!

You did it again!

I loved your V for victory V for vengeance and V for Valieva comment. You should put that in your signature page somewhere.

Keep your fingers crossed fr Anna she has a history of being very clutch. Hoping sasha has a great skate.

I feel sorry for all the skaters there they are probably worn down. It's a vvery draining Olympic Games in more ways than one.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Now that is not fair to you and many other people but the IOC created that rule to protect minor age athletes. Right now Kamila is benefitting from that. And that's why the rule was put in place.

The minor rules were put in place to protect minors, not for situations like this.
The minor protection is basically used here as a reason for the committee not to make a decision,
it's a loophole.

 

[brigit66]

What I don’t get is them shrouding the whole competition with an air of misery and murk by scrapping the victory ceremonies. They should have just made a definitive decision rather than this unsatisfactory nebulous outcome that just sucks the air out of the whole competition. They are effectively punishing ALL the other competitors here with this action which is completely unacceptable!

There is no harm done to athletes who don't dope, the harm is NOT to let a doper compete!

 

[macy]

What I don’t get is them shrouding the whole competition with an air of misery and murk by scrapping the victory ceremonies. They should have just made a definitive decision rather than this unsatisfactory nebulous outcome that just sucks the air out of the whole competition. They are effectively punishing ALL the other competitors here with this action which is completely unacceptable!

yep, this.

 

[ivanja]

Once again you are not a scientist (some are doubting the effect).
You can believe whatever you want.

Let me guess... The Russians? Like, even if there is no effect whatsoever, why would they hand a medication to a minor if it is literally prohibited by the World Anti-Doping Agency??

And you are the one who clearly believes what you wants. I am not a medical doctor, but I have a peer-reviewed paper published in my field. That literally makes me a scientist.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

This decision is disgraceful. It is fine to cheat and abuse children?

It is bad enough that in Russia there are cheaters who pervert and make a game of figure skating, but now the regulatory bodies and governing organizations that should stop this madness prove to be too corrupt and politicized to do ANYTHING. What about the talented Japanese ladies (who do 3A and backloaded jumps), what about Loena H (a beautiful well rounded skater) all of whom engaged in fair sport and could be deserving of Olympic medals in their own right if they skate well enough, who will all be overshadowed and relegated to automatic 4th place or lower by girls who have been given drug regimens for years to keep them in pre-pubescent bodies and be able to train at unreal levels. Girls who we know won't last long after this Olympics but will be replaced by the next in line and we will look the other way and act like the child abuse is fine and then at the next Olympics it will be the same story.

I am so sick of corruption and politics ruining my enjoyment of figure skating competition and tarnishing its reputation. I don't even want to watch the ladies event tomorrow because it is not exciting when you know all the athletes will most likely be competing for 4th place.

I guess I need to urgently go to the pharmacy and buy myself much trimetazidine. As I see it, more and more new effects are being discovered in this magical medicine. Of course, it's too late for me to try to keep myself in a prepubescent body, but who knows what other surprises this miracle of medicine will bring.

As for Loena, she herself said that she began to study difficult elements too late. Nevertheless, I do not rule out that she may still get some new, she is really talented.

 

[macy]

There is no harm done to athletes who don't dope, the harm is NOT to let a doper compete!

no harm??? what about the American and Japanese team competitors, and even the Canadians, who are being robbed of their Olympic moment standing on the podium receiving their medal at the event they train their ENTIRE LIVES for??? what about the other 29 CLEAN competitors in the womens event who are being robbed of a clean and fair competition and again, losing the medal ceremony for the one moment they worked their entire lives for??? they are letting Kamila compete at the cost of ALL of these competitors, and that is nothing short of special treatment and unfairness. it's absolutely SHAMEFUL.

 

[Mista Ekko]

What I don’t get is them shrouding the whole competition with an air of misery and murk by scrapping the victory ceremonies. They should have just made a definitive decision rather than this unsatisfactory nebulous outcome that just sucks the air out of the whole competition. They are effectively punishing ALL the other competitors here with this action which is completely unacceptable!

Maybe we should have an anonymous vote between the competitors in the event to see if they approve
of postponing the celebratory event until the investigation ends, they might decide differently than you think.

 

[mrrice]

OK, here is just one of the many comments from my casual and non-skating friends on this issue. The worst being...."If that girl from Russia wins after they caught her cheating, I'll never watch skating again!" I'd certainly never make a comment like that but, to say that this doesn't taint my Olympic experience would be a lie. I guess that team Russia will get to keep their team Gold even though, IMO, they didn't win it fairly. The thrill over this event has definitely gone down a few notches and that's sad. I was so thrilled for Madison and Zach and this kind of "took the wind out of my sails" so to speak.

 

[RatedPG]

Latest : https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/1493174000188637185?t=HM-vs3jAaOq2eXufm-UIIA&s=19

IOC decided there will be no flower or medal ceremony for Women's event.
25 skaters will qualify for the FS/LP.
Team Event no medal ceremony either.

The last step to make it fair is to also fly Elizaveta to the Olympic Games

 

[flotsam]

What I don’t get is them shrouding the whole competition with an air of misery and murk by scrapping the victory ceremonies. They should have just made a definitive decision rather than this unsatisfactory nebulous outcome that just sucks the air out of the whole competition. They are effectively punishing ALL the other competitors here with this action which is completely unacceptable!

That's not from any desire for an unsatisfactory, nebulous outcome. The IOC does not want to award Valieva a medal with this controversy surrounding the competition. They don't even want her to skate, but CAS has effectively overruled that.

I'd be surprised if the IOC and ISU don't change their jurisdiction rules for doping and suspensions following all of this.

 

[noskates]

I am shocked, disgusted and dismayed and not a little sad! This will be a blot on the sport of figure skating and the Olympics for many years to come. It has nothing to do with nationalism and everything to do with the credibility and integrity of the sport. So Kamila can skate, the Olympic "moment" for many other skaters who have worked for years to reach this point is ruined!

 

[florin]

Go to sleep girl, enough press!
It's a big day tomorrow

You don't understand the essence of the video at all. Kamila is emotionally exhausted, tormented by lynch court lovers who have already decided everything without investigation. And you giggle "enough press go to bed"

Let me quote you a more detailed description of Kamila's reaction, which I made in the Russian Ladies thread:

"Kamila is very emotionally exhausted. After Eteri shows to her phone with the news, she quietly says with smiling "hurrah.." Eteri asks, "Is that all?" (meaning - "Only such a weak reaction?") Kamila, smiling, says, "I don't feel anything anymore, I don't have emotions anymore." And then she goes to the corner, turns away to the wall hiding from the camera-man and there she quietly cries while tuning the soundtrack on her phone for exercise. It's all heartbreaking."

 

[Flutzel]

WADA statement following CAS decision not to reinstate skater’s provisional suspension

The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) acknowledges the ruling announced today by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) to confirm the lifting of the provisional suspension of Russian Olympic Committee figure skater Kamila Valieva.

www.wada-ama.org

Here seems to be the answer as to why her positive sample wasn't analysed earlier. RUSADA didn't flag it as urgent.

I'd love to know more details here. Were her teammate's samples also not flagged as urgent, either? If it was only hers not being flagged, was it a mistake (and can we really believe in a mistake that's so convenient)? It seems odd that the sample of a skater who was scheduled to take part in three important competitions that would happen soon after RusNats wasn't flagged as urgent, but we'd have to know about the others to say if this was regular procedure. Interesting in any case considering I've already read the conspiracy that WADA was trying to trip up RusFed with a conveniently-timed positive. Seems it was their own fault after all.

 

[Mista Ekko]

You don't understand the essence of the video at all. Kamila is emotionally exhausted, tormented by lynch court lovers who have already decided everything without investigation. And you giggle "enough press go to bed"

Let me quote you a more detailed description of Kamila's reaction, which I made in the Russian Ladies thread:

"Kamila is very emotionally exhausted. After Eteri shows to her phone with the news, she quietly says with smiling "hurrah.." Eteri asks, "Is that all?" (meaning - "Only such a weak reaction?") Kamila, smiling, says, "I don't feel anything anymore, I don't have emotions anymore." And then she goes to the corner, turns away and there she quietly cries while tuning the soundtrack on her phone for exercise. It's all heartbreaking."

I was just joking around, nothing to it.
The poster I was replying to was fine with it

 

[Scott512]

The minor rules were put in place to protect minors, not for situations like this.
The minor protection is basically used here as a reason for the committee not to make a decision,
it's a loophole.

It could be a loophole but the way I read it is the way I see it or vice versa.

 

[jenaj]

Yeah, i disagree with the no medal ceremony. They should let the athletes enjoy the medals they win at the moment. I don't care for team medals but i wanted to see Miura/Kihara happy with their bronze.

The IOC has said that it does not want to award medals and later have to take them away. They no doubt told this to the arbitration panel but to no avail. In letting Kamila compete, the arbitrators effectively decided that the the harm to the other competitors was less than the harm to Kamila if they suspended her.

 

[Jhar55]

In my opinion IOC & ISU needs clean house. They just put black eye on the sport.
What damage have they done to clean skaters? I have been watching since Peggy Fleming won Olympics, begged my dad for pair of skates. Won’t be watching ladies skating.

 

[mrrice]

You don't understand the essence of the video at all. Kamila is emotionally exhausted, tormented by lynch court lovers who have already decided everything without investigation. And you giggle "enough press go to bed"

Let me quote you a more detailed description of Kamila's reaction, which I made in the Russian Ladies thread:

"Kamila is very emotionally exhausted. After Eteri shows to her phone with the news, she quietly says with smiling "hurrah.." Eteri asks, "Is that all?" (meaning - "Only such a weak reaction?") Kamila, smiling, says, "I don't feel anything anymore, I don't have emotions anymore." And then she goes to the corner, turns away to the wall hiding from the camera-man and there she quietly cries while tuning the soundtrack on her phone for exercise. It's all heartbreaking."

This is all so hard to read. I bet she just wants to go home and try to forget this ever happened. Eteri may be trying to cheer her up but, IMO, Eteri is the one who should feel bad about this situation. I have a feeling she had her hand in the development of this entire scandal.