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I absolutely agree... As many people on this forum are thinking i'm Russian because i'm having 'Vladimir' in my forum's name... sometimes it's really shallow to read all of this
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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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Maybe in Russia or Eastern Europe? Although I can't tell if you're kidding (seriously, again I'm not trying to be rude or snarky).
Not here in the US. No one among casual fans remembers the team event or cares.
It's all Nathan, all the time, when it comes to skating, and the TE ....pffft. You couldn't get a million people to say they remember it. or what medals were involved
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Really, none of us should. There is a small group of people who unable to give a real defense of any of the involved parties in this case who continuously deflect. I can't imagine they are doing this in good faith.No, that is an incorrect assumption from my post. I am not answering.
This is my position: The NY Times engaged in normal, responsible journalism when they asked questions about the hearing and when they printed information already in the public domain.
All the "oh look a squirrel!" deflecting questions won't change that opinion, and so I'm not answering them. So if you have further queries along that line, I do not mean to be rude, but I will not answer.
For the poster above, if you think only Americans are angry take a look at the German commentary on ARD, Swedish commentary, Korean commentary ( they refused to say anything about Valieva's performance in protest) , sarcastic quotes in in the British newspapers about Valieva. what Valentina Marchei said on Italian T.V., German reporting which details the doping history of Dr. S and it goes on and on . Americans aren't the only ones who care about clean sports. You suggesting that they are and claiming it's because they want a
is another example of deflection from the issue. Which again is, Valieva was dopped by her coaching staff, it endangered her health and was done to give her an unfair advantage over other kids. Child abuse and cheating are what's going on. Everything else is as @el henry cleverly summed up "look it's a 
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OK fair enough.
That still does explain the Hypoxen... apparently the makers of it brag about it not been banned despite its performance enhancing abilities. Sounds very suspect indeed.
Kamila's mother says it's for "heart variations" does she mean cardiac arrhythmia? If this is the case then it needs to be ascertained whether this is a genetic condition or a side effect from the training.
If the training takes so much out of an athlete that they're literally suffering cardiac arrhythmia that's serious. I know professional athletes push the edge, but they should at least be 18+ before that happens. Kids can't make those choices and parents shouldn't be able to on their behalf either.
It's always about that cold war mentality for some people when you say anything other than praises about Russia. I wish they would give it up because that ended decades ago. It's tired at this point.Really, none of us should. There is a small group of people who unable to give a real defense of any of the involved parties in this case who continuously deflect. I can't imagine they are doing this in good faith.
For the poster above, if you think only Americans are angry take a look at the German commentary on ARD, Swedish commentary, Korean commentary ( they refused to say anything about Valieva's performance in protest) , sarcastic quotes in in the British newspapers about Valieva. what Valentina Marchei said on Italian T.V., German reporting which details the doping history of Dr. S and it goes on and on . Americans aren't the only ones who care about clean sports. You suggesting that they are and claiming it's because they want a
Btw, please head on over to Vkontakte if any criticism against a Russian skater is bothersome. For all of us please.
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Isn't it obvious? They take various stuff that helps withstand the enormous loads of training and recover from injuries until it's forbidden. Years of meldonium use by Sharapova is an example. I hope that you don't believe that the so-called "clean athletes" from Western countries who win Olympic medals take only regular food with no food supplements and stuff. When this stuff becomes forbidden the cost-benefit topic arises. Should I go on and risk being caught or should I stop using it? Some "lucky" ones get TUE, some are caught, but most stop using it.
With Armstrong his need of EPO was too strong and desire to win was so big to give up using it.
What I said is that in Kamila's case the benefit of using trimetadizin looks so minuscule vs. the size of the current scandal that once again I don't believe that she was doping. But, one more time before i go to sleep - let's wait for the investigation results.
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I had Jack-3D, it was also marketed as the only stuff that works without being banned (for all I know it's banned for pros). It gives you a bit of a buzz pre-workout. If a supplement is NOT banned, and it works, people will take it. I have creatine and isolate still kicking around (muscles building) and HTTP (for low carb tolerance). It is not punishable. Try not to get side-tracked to the 'also found' stuff, because, yes, athletes, amateur and pros will take supplements and vitamins, and as long as they are not banned, it's okay.
About figure skating? Nope. About team medals? Hardly---the average man on the street here doesn't know or care about team medals. What they get do get upset about is cheating and doping, whatever the sport. And normally, figure skating hasn't had much in the way of doping scandals, because most of the banned substances wouldn't help a figure skater at all. This particular case his hard here because it involves a 15-yo girl.
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Thing is... Adam Rippon specifically tweeted this:
I mean maybe he's lying, but it seems like a foolish thing to Tweet if it is.
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Team event medals: I don't give a flying fruitcake and most average US fans probably don't, either.
AFIK, what people in the US care about is that everybody plays by the same rules. If this was a US skater in the same situation, I'd be just as angry about the CAS ruling -- probably even more so because I would be embarrassed as well as angry.
AFIK, what people in the US care about is that everybody plays by the same rules. If this was a US skater in the same situation, I'd be just as angry about the CAS ruling -- probably even more so because I would be embarrassed as well as angry.
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Although I disagree with the publishing, sure it's interesting enough. Thing is words in this article have been completely distorted in a way to embarrass Kamila. For example the original article here states that grandfather's glass is just one possible scenario. I don't think they said anything for sure, but now Kamila is being roundly criticised because of it. All the articles, even Gary Lineker to all his followers for example. And thing is this is just one splice of what was talked about in the 7 hour hearing. It was said by WADA in their code that she should be protected. I'm assuming these talkers came from their side since they aren't speaking in a way sympathetic to Kamila. She's 15 and to contravene their own rules and talk, but well I guess nobody cares.The NYT didn’t leak the info and in fact was late to the game. The information is set forth in the WADA appeal and was embedded in a Russian website and was previously posted in this thread. The appeal is in English.
Камилу Валиеву решили не отстранять от Олимпийских игр
Мы узнали, как ее защита объясняла допинг в пробеdossier-center.appspot.com
On the main topic, does the article mention L-Carnitine as I don't speak Russian? NYT said they also spoke to people that were at the case which is why I called them leakers. 100% the actual people at the hearing leaking against her are worse. Honestly this makes me think that WADA actually does have something embarrassing to hide since they're being so aggressive to brief against her. The actual case with all this will be heard.
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There has been a Russian doping scandal at each of the last SIX Olympics.
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Upset, probably. Outraged, I really don't think so. A lot depends on how the media presents the case. If you have headings like "Cheaters can win!" (NY post today) and 5 retired athletes per hour coming out on instagram and passionately proclaiming their disgust of course you get outraged. Not sure about Romania but in Sweden we certainly don't get such headings, it'd be considered cheap and bad taste. (And Christin Brennan would be unemployable) The reporting is much more neutral and mindful of Kamila and the fact that the case has not been investigated yet.You act like only people in the US are outraged by this.
And if Swedish commentators kept on acting like Tara and Johnny obsessively going on about Kamila and the death of figure skating
spreading negativity and drama, that would hardly sit well with the Swedes. What's been going on in the American media is just too much, really. At least from an external perspective.
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Gee, i wonder why
Oh, the irony of this post. Please call everyone naïve again, too.
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Thinking is a very positive activity. I highly recommend it.
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Sadly over here we have one newspaper doing it "Drug cheat figure skater" - called Daily M̶a̶i̶l̶ Fail. Just so cruel, like copy and pasted from another site. But all the others are much more sensitive to the topic.Upset, probably. Outraged, I really don't think so. A lot depends on how the media presents the case. If you have headings like "Cheaters can win!" (NY post today) and 5 retired athletes per hour coming out on instagram and passionately proclaiming their disgust of course you get outraged. Not sure about Romania but in Sweden we certainly don't get such headings, it'd be considered cheap and bad taste. (And Christin Brennan would be unemployable) The reporting is much more neutral and mindful of Kamila and the fact that the case has not been investigated yet.
And if Swedish commentators kept on acting like Tara and Johnny obsessively going on about Kamila and the death of figure skating
We are not talking about an adult doping himself but adults doping children. We are talking about a bunch of cronies that doped a little girl that was in their care. All so that they could be bigger and better than anyone else, no matter what the cost. There was a banned drug TMZ in her system and I don’t think it came from her Poppy’s mug. This is a shame that someone would do this to a child, in order to win a medal, another notch in thei belt. We can bicker back and forth with who done it.. This girl was dropped and it will forever haunt her for the rest of her life. My granddaughter is 14 years old and I can’t fathom her going through something like this. This young girl will never be the same after this, she’s still a baby in my eyes.
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please, PLEASE don't judge US media by the NY Post. It isn't worth one moment of your time. It's a tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch, who also owns trashy tabloids in the UK. Their headlines are mostly just clickbait.Upset, probably. Outraged, I really don't think so. A lot depends on how the media presents the case. If you have headings like "Cheaters can win!" (NY post today) of course you get outraged. Not sure about Romania but in Sweden we certainly don't get such headings, it'd be considered cheap and bad taste. (And Christin Brennan would be unemployable) The reporting is much more neutral and mindful of Kamila and the fact that the case has not been investigated yet.
And if Swedish commentators kept on acting like Tara and Johnny obsessively going on about Kamila and the death of figure skating
As for Christine Brennan, no apologies for her, either. I've appreciated some of her reporting in the past but much of her conduct in this case (especially her "interview" of Diana Davis) has been distressing.... To say the very least.
Tara and Johnny are both skaters and former Olympians. They're both probably taking this more personally than most people because they've been there. And as Tara will take every opportunity to tell you, she won her OGM at age 15. The way she goes on about it makes me want to scream but she probably identifies with KV to a certain extent, in that she (KV, another 15 year old) has been let down by people she should have been able to rely on.
T & J's job is to share their opinions. I honestly share their frustration because this situation reflects so horribly on figure skating in general.
Thanks for listening!
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If Alysa Liu turned up positive, I would absolutely side with her. She's not in control of her life. Her father is. So, yes, if Alysa was dealing with this exact thing I would be staunchly supporting her. I wonder how many other Americans could say that?
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