Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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The IOC is trying to save face. While Eteri was cold after Valieva's skate, I have to ask for people that are not casual viewers- what in Eteri's coaching history suggested to you that she would have reacted differently from the business reaction that she gave to a skater who did not skate to their potential?
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Whatever - leave the legacy of him as a "fighter with child abuse". Being at the top of an international organization one has to be careful with words unless they are on a mission.
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Human being is not a profession. When one is an important official one has to measure up one's emotions vs. the impact that the outbusts of their emotions might have.
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I think the term "abuse" is being thrown around here where it may not be the right word for what happened last night. As far as abuse in the training - I don't think any of us know exactly what goes on in that training unless you are there. When your star skater has had a wretched week, when your star skater has a melt down in front of millions of people, when your star skater comes off the ice in tears and visibly inconsolable, you DO NOT start telling her what she did wrong during her skate or accuse her of not trying hard enough. I would say that basic
compassion and kindliness was woefully missing in that moment. I don't know that I've ever seen another coach in all the years I've been a skating fan act so cold-hearted.
compassion and kindliness was woefully missing in that moment. I don't know that I've ever seen another coach in all the years I've been a skating fan act so cold-hearted.
It is irrelevant how long it stays in the body - it should not have been in the body of Kamila at all.
Actually I was raised by my grandparents and my grandfather had very serious cardiac arrhythmia. There was no way I could get anywhere near his pills. That was just out of question. So accidental intake by Kamila is still at least child negligence by her guardians.
And since Kamila seems to take 2 other heart medicaments too, the accidental intake is very unlikely.
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I can tell you of the many, many, many, gold medal winners and champions from North America, Asia, and around the world, who condemned doping and the decision to permit Kamila to skate.
A decision that caused her irreparable harm and was the decision of her fed and her coaching team. They alone are responsible for what happened to Kamila and the heartbreaking state she was in.
Not the actions of the “West“ not the “media“ nor any of the other excuses and deflections.
The Tutberitze group ist like a cult - only those who believe and are willing to do everything demanded of them are in. And those who don't function properly (like Kostornaia, daring not to skate with a broken bone in the hand...) are criticised, gaslighted and out!
So the system is designed to be abusive, for maximum result.
I don't care what Tutberitze says after a skate, I care about what she an Danii G are saying about their skaters in public and to them behind closed doors. And what the demand of them. I think many things are going to made public, because people want to know now.
And I think that Valieva wanted to skate. Did she know about the consequences? No, but a 30 year old would've also not been able to grasp it fully. I think that not letting her skate would have made her a martyr in Russia.
I'm actually curious wether the knowledge that she had something prohibited in her system made her doubt herself. I think figure skating is similar to ski jumping in one regard - self confidence is key. And the knowledge that there won't be a medal ceremony if she'd podium could've been the last trigger. No one wants to be the spoilsport.
I have small children and so a little background reading, because I want to be a decent parent. There's the term "Competent Child", that I found interesting and compelling. I think that a 15 year old can be a "Competent Athlete". Kostner wasn't one in her mid 20's when her boyfriend made her lie for him, but I'm sure she learned her lesson. I hope that Valieva and all athletes in the Tutberitze group will learn theirs as well.
So the system is designed to be abusive, for maximum result.
I don't care what Tutberitze says after a skate, I care about what she an Danii G are saying about their skaters in public and to them behind closed doors. And what the demand of them. I think many things are going to made public, because people want to know now.
And I think that Valieva wanted to skate. Did she know about the consequences? No, but a 30 year old would've also not been able to grasp it fully. I think that not letting her skate would have made her a martyr in Russia.
I'm actually curious wether the knowledge that she had something prohibited in her system made her doubt herself. I think figure skating is similar to ski jumping in one regard - self confidence is key. And the knowledge that there won't be a medal ceremony if she'd podium could've been the last trigger. No one wants to be the spoilsport.
I have small children and so a little background reading, because I want to be a decent parent. There's the term "Competent Child", that I found interesting and compelling. I think that a 15 year old can be a "Competent Athlete". Kostner wasn't one in her mid 20's when her boyfriend made her lie for him, but I'm sure she learned her lesson. I hope that Valieva and all athletes in the Tutberitze group will learn theirs as well.
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And that lesson was...? I hope you don't mean you must report your loved ones because WADA says so? In this case anti doping rules should be revised as they compromise the most essential values of humanity. Or maybe they have been already?
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The lesson is that in every legal scheme I know, an accomplice to an illegal action is also guilty. And someone covering up an illegal action is also guilty.
And the lesson is that no one person, and certainly no medal, no fame, no fortune, is worth your integrity as an athlete. Or making someone else compromise theirs.
That is the one of the most essential values of humanity.
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So in the States you are forced to testify against your family? And face sanctions if you don't?
By Swedish law, which I assume is in line with the EU regulations on that matter, you cannot be forced to testify against those you have a close relationship to. And this is motivated by the deeply rooted moral and societal values of family ties being more or less sacred.
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I would argue that one of the most essential values of humanity is 'athletes integrity is more important than any person'.And the lesson is that no one person, and certainly no medal, no fame, no fortune, is worth your integrity as an athlete.
That is the one of the most essential values of humanity.
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He is certainly "more" guilty and I am not familiar with the details, so I hope he was also subject to discipline.
One tiny point: no one "made" Carolina lie. It was a choice. Of course, anyone can understand the predicament she was in, but it was a choice.
In US you are only protected from testifying against your spouse, outside of that if you lie to the police you can face an obstruction of justice or potentially accessory after the fact
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There is a difference between a lie and 'no comments'. Can you just do not answer the question (without any legal consequences) if f.e. your mother is being prosecuted?
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There are very very limited exceptions: spousal immunity. Not your entire "close family". But that is not relevant to the WADA system.
WADA is not a criminal enforcement scheme. AFAIK. The guidelines are those you must comply with to engage in certain sporting activities. So if you want to take banned substances, or lie about taking them, don't engage in those activities. Very easy, very simple.
I stand by what I said. Anyone who asks an athlete to lie is compromising that person's integrity. Anyone who lies on behalf of an athlete is compromising their own integrity.
No matter the excuse.
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I don't care either and I don't think the US team members would necessarily think they were deserving or had earned a gold medal in the team event. As for Michelle Kwan, I think she got over not having an OGM a long time ago. It's just the fans (me, I will admit) that can't get over it LOL!
I'm not a lawyer but no I don't think someone can refuse to answer a question/testify against a non-spouse family member, the only protection is taking the fifth amendment which means you cannot be forced to testify if it will implicate you in a crime
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Ok then the regulation you have is more restrictive (and conservative) than what we have. Here the existence of a close relationship is sufficient for a testimonial privilege. And this applies to all criminal offences including rape, murder etc which in my view are much more severe than doping offences.
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