Was, not looked. And it is more than reasonable to expect any athlete on a global stage such as the Olympics to act with dignity and class. If they can't muster that, I suggest they work with a sports psychologist until they can.
Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups
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Was, not looked. And it is more than reasonable to expect any athlete on a global stage such as the Olympics to act with dignity and class. If they can't muster that, I suggest they work with a sports psychologist until they can.
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Lovely perspective to have. However, I think expecting Sasha to be held to the same standard is a bit unrealistic because she has endured so much trauma with one goal in mind. She has trained and competed with serious injuries and endured who knows what from the coaching staff. She didn't reach her goal and that means all the trauma wasn't worth it. She's 17. If you are in a supportive environment, you can be supportive of others. In her environment, that's almost too much to ask.
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I don't blame anyone in that camp for their behavior. I teach that age group for a living and have for almost a decade, and their behavior reminds me so much of students I have had who have a toxic home life.
The only person Sasha's behavior reacts badly on is Eteri.
The only person Sasha's behavior reacts badly on is Eteri.
I can't wait to see the amazing skaters AND people that will come from that school
Charlie sounds like he'll be an awesome coach. More on topic...no words. I feel like there's no true winner here, though multiple props to Anna for skating so well yet again.
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Nope! Lets see what happens to Trusova when they all get back to Russia. Bet she moves to someone else!!!!
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sasha looked perfectly fine while watching the pairs. Someone needed to tell her : look, you are in a much better space than your teammate Kamila so have some perspective... and i am sure it' s been done now... and she probably regrets being a bit of a brat... i don't think she needs to be the center of this thread.
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In the interest of fairness, there are currently two articles on ESPN in just one day concerning doping from countries other than Russia.
This is not just a Russian problem, although it is a Russian State problem. The sport in these cases is track and field.
Team Great Britain stripped of silver medal:
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Nigerian Sprinter Banned for 10 Years:
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This is not just a Russian problem, although it is a Russian State problem. The sport in these cases is track and field.
Team Great Britain stripped of silver medal:
GB stripped of Olympic silver after Ujah positive
Team Great Britain has been stripped of its Olympic silver medal in the men's 4x100m relay in Tokyo last August after the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) upheld Chijindu Ujah's anti-doping violation on Friday.
Nigerian Sprinter Banned for 10 Years:
Nigerian sprinter banned for 10 years for doping
Nigerian sprinter Blessing Okagbare has been banned for 10 years for positive tests in the lead up to the Tokyo Olympics. She won bronze that was later upgraded to silver in the long jump at the 2008 Olympics.
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I don't get it though. Why wouldn't she have an outburst as soon as Anna totaled higher than her? Sasha at best would be 2nd or at worst be 3rd at the conclusion.
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She would not throw a tantrum because she is not a spoiled brat.
I disagree here. When Zhenya lost Olympic gold four years ago regardless of what she may have whispered to Eteri. Zhenya acted like a class act.
Anna had always behaved with class and her training mates have all made it clear that she was their favorite. I don’t think Anna would have thrown a tantrum if she took silver.
Kamila was clearly upset but acting like a brat she was not.
If you notice Sasha was not in the watching area when Kamila was skating so apparently she did have a reaction to losing to Anna
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The BEST coverage about this, or anything involving this, is right here. Watch and listen to what Polina Edmunds says about this. She witnessed the R.O.C. doping when she was still a post-kid.
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Doping is worldwide problem and I suppose there is very few people who really think anything else. There are plenty of substances and medicines people use because they are no forbidden and the more Anti-doping commission finds the list is lengthening yearly. There are also many athletes who get caught, but they have not won anything big competitions, so "the large audition" does not necessarily hear about them. I found a list of Finnish people who have been trapped on doping. There was plenty of names I have never heard about, and almost every year there is somebody. There are some articles from other countries that the names are not announced because B-sample is not investigated yet. So it is common not to tell names very early. But even small countries like Sweden and Finland has their own cases and people who even have weak possibilities to win national medals have been caught.
I have thought FS is one of the purest sport, but I will not be surprised, if there will be more cases in the future. People use legal methods to improve oxygen uptake, like high place camps. People drink energy drinks and some of those companies is even many athlete's sponsors. I remember when writing my thesis I drank a little bit more of coffee than usual to keep awake. What I am trying to tell is that there is always some else methods beside training people try improve their performance, some are legal, some are not. Some people write age limit to all seniors should be 18 and let people use what they want to. I don't think so, because those things can have lasting effects to health, but age limit of 18 to Olympics in every sport should be something to think about. Some people say it is bad idea because the peak in many sports is when the athlete is younger. Well, maybe, but it does not prevent to compete and if even if peaks are behind, nothing prevents people competing.
Just some overall thoughts.
I have thought FS is one of the purest sport, but I will not be surprised, if there will be more cases in the future. People use legal methods to improve oxygen uptake, like high place camps. People drink energy drinks and some of those companies is even many athlete's sponsors. I remember when writing my thesis I drank a little bit more of coffee than usual to keep awake. What I am trying to tell is that there is always some else methods beside training people try improve their performance, some are legal, some are not. Some people write age limit to all seniors should be 18 and let people use what they want to. I don't think so, because those things can have lasting effects to health, but age limit of 18 to Olympics in every sport should be something to think about. Some people say it is bad idea because the peak in many sports is when the athlete is younger. Well, maybe, but it does not prevent to compete and if even if peaks are behind, nothing prevents people competing.
Just some overall thoughts.
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This is what Marie-France has to say about 1) her school (a community of skaters aspiring at getting better together) and 2) the KV scandal.
For those who can read French
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For those who can read French
Une touche montréalaise derrière les podiums en patinage artistique à Pékin
L'entraîneuse Marie-France Dubreuil veut d'abord créer une ambiance qui pousse à l'excellence.
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And captioned “Olympic Champion”…
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I never implied or said or intended to imply that Kamila was acting like a brat. My comment was in response to another post stating that sportsmanship isn’t something that’s taught in Eteri’s school.
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I have just found an interesting article
hvg.hu
in which the general director of Hungarian Anti-Doping Group explains why she agrees 100% with Cas desicion to let KV compete.
Her analysis of the situation begins with the paragraph starting with "„Azt jósoltam, hogy engedni fogják versenyezni.”
It is in Hungarian but google translate will help you
Dilemma elé állította a sportvilágot Kamila Valijeva: versenyezhet-e valaki pozitív doppingteszttel?
A nemzetközi Sportdöntőbíróság határozata értelmében a műkorcsolyázó Kamila Valijeva azután is folytathatta szereplését a pekingi téli olimpián, hogy kiderült: tiltott szerre bukkantak egy doppingmintájában. Az ügy bonyolult, és nem csak amiatt, hogy a versenyző csupán 15 éves.
hvg.hu
Her analysis of the situation begins with the paragraph starting with "„Azt jósoltam, hogy engedni fogják versenyezni.”
It is in Hungarian but google translate will help you
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I am immensely, immensely thankful to Polina for giving this interview. Polina formulates- and so precisely and objectively- the process which is aimed slowly and steadily to destroy the soul of figure skating, namely, ladies/women single figure skating.The BEST coverage about this, or anything involving this, is right here. Watch and listen to what Polina Edmunds says about this. She witnessed the R.O.C. doping when she was still a post-kid.
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This is what Marie-France has to say about 1) her school (a community of skaters aspiring at getting better together) and 2) the KV scandal.
For those who can read French
Une touche montréalaise derrière les podiums en patinage artistique à Pékin
L'entraîneuse Marie-France Dubreuil veut d'abord créer une ambiance qui pousse à l'excellence.
Thank you for the link.
on a very selfish level, mind blown that a world class coach agrees with us that her team should have placed Kamila’s needs first, which means her team should have encouraged her to withdraw from the competition.
on a less selfish level, how reassuring to hear that one of the most successful skating coaches in the world (certainly one with more skaters at the Olympics than any other coach) emphasizes the overall development of the individual as well as athletic excellence.
There is hope.
p/s although I read it in French, I would recommend to anyone interested to use a translation program. I did not know much about Marie-France, other than her school’s dominance of the ice dance world, but she has a new fan. She does not hold back her opinions.
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