Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[skatedreamer]

It's not surprising that Russia intends to send her to Worlds, not at all.

If they didn't send her, that would be an admission that RUSADA lifting the provisional suspension was an error, and by extension that she should have been disqualified at the Olympics, including her scores from the Team Event.

We are WAY past viewing this as an issue of protecting the skater, equitable treatment of athletes, providing the field with non-doping assurance, or even looking out for the best long term interests of the sport.

Point taken. Re: admission, that's why said it would be too much to ask. I was also thinking Kamila will be hounded by reporters at Worlds again and that she deserves a rest from all that.

 

[Magill]

Where did they announce that?

Oh. no, they didn't That's why I said "it seems"... Judging by the way the whole story is handled in Russia, I will be surprised, if they don't.... but it is just my conclusion or prediction if you like, not any anouncement.

 

[Erin9]

I would not speculate about their motives. What is clear for me is that Eteri is a great coach. The greatest? It's debatable. It's hard to compare figure skating now and 40 years ago when I myself skated. it's hard to compare 47-year old Eteri with 80-year old Mishin and Moskvina. As of todays coaches she is the one. She drove the revolution in women's figure skating. The narrative of pre-puberty girls has fell miserably. Both OGM and OSM winners are 17 years old and would be senior even if the age limit is raised. But it's not just that. Look at Morisi, at his way up starting with his skating for Russia when he could not clear 200 at Rostelecom. Forget about long-timers: women and Morisi. Look at T/M. There are two facts: 1) They were never as good as they were in Bejing. If it were not for a quad twist by S/H they would become the OGM 2) It happened when they moved to Eteri.

That's full stop for me - not those conspiracy theories about her child abuses which are not supposed to be here at GS but unfortunately they are.

Eteri knows how to win. How she gets there is a different issue. Can’t say I see her as great. She gets results. That’s true. Even before this doping scandal- I questioned how she was getting there- her treatment of the girls, their short careers- literally across the board, etc.

Personally- I don’t find it even remotely fun to watch a bunch of Russian skaters knowing they have maybe a few seasons at the senior level before they’re replaced. Maybe. If they don’t get injured first. They have no chance of making a 2nd Olympic team. None.

I can’t tell you how many performances were made particularly special to me in every other discipline except women because we got to see skaters come back and do great things.

One of the reasons my heart broke for Medeveda in 2018 is I knew that was her one and only chance at the Olympics. And it was. All those years of dominance only to be eclipsed by the 15 year old- who also couldn’t hang on for another Olympics. And I doubt Kamilia will either- if this mess all by itself doesn’t destroy her.

A 15 year old should have another chance- but that’s not the current reality. They’re disposable, replaceable commodities. That is what Eteri has created.

Moskvina is a legend. Full stop. She’s coached an unbelievable number of Olympic and world medalists for decades. Not to mention the number of her teams that have won gold.

And you know what? Her teams have more than one Olympics in them. And not just attending- but dominating.

She and Eteri don’t belong in the same sentence imo.

 

[iceskater10]

Tell this to Norwegian asthmatic skiers using doping legally.

Give it a rest

 

[Mafke]

as "anthem" was a cool idea

Exactly! Neither the Russian federation or Russian athletes are especially attached to the idea of their flag and anthem being present in the games, so banning both is not really strong punishment.
Not letting Russian citizens participate at all would send a much stronger message.... rough for the athletes but ultimately it could lead to improvement....
Go for federations rather than athletes... when an athlete tests positive the federation has to answer for it...

 

[pearly]

Oh. no, they didn't That's why I said "it seems"... Judging by the way the whole story is handled in Russia, I will be surprised, if they don't.... but it is just my conclusion or prediction if you like, not any anouncement.

I wonder if the ISU has the authority or the will to intervene and prevent her. They tried to do that in Beijing.

 

[solani]

If Rusfed sends Valieva to Worlds before she is cleared, then she is nothing more than a political propaganda item for Russia.

 

[yume]

Who told you there's no proof? There are interviews with her skaters, her colleagues, and even her admitting to her ways. Or do you think it's normal, just to give you one example, to separate a teen of their mother (as a condition to be trained) and then, years after, when the same teen who is now 16 years old starts living with their mother again you say: "She got lazy with her mom around and wouldn't train for 12 hours anymore). That same 16 year old went on to become World Champion despite Eteri's concerns.
The list of proof is so big and disturbing for any normal human who believes in protecting children above a piece of metal, and we're the ones lacking critical thinking? Please.

I would like to read a list of all Tutberidze's sins. I think with time i forgot some of them. Not saying that her methods aren't questionnable, but i would like to see if there are many things she does and that other coaches don't do.
If she has to be banned from coaching, it should be for doping her skaters if it's proven. I don't see anything else that worth a ban while other coaches will keep doing the same things in the peace of God.
And she uses questionnable methods because Rusfed let her and it's what suits them, since it brings results. They don't care for long careers, they care for gold medals. The only way to force Eteri to coach over 18yo girls is to raise age limit. And that's when people will see that she's able to successfully train girls of that age. She doesn't do it now it's because she doesn't want to and doesn't need to.
If age limit is raised i expect some things to change tho, since an adult says "no" more easily than a child.

 

[4everchan]

It's not surprising that Russia intends to send her to Worlds, not at all.

If they didn't send her, that would be an admission that RUSADA lifting the provisional suspension was an error, and by extension that she should have been disqualified at the Olympics, including her scores from the Team Event.

We are WAY past viewing this as an issue of protecting the skater, equitable treatment of athletes, providing the field with non-doping assurance, or even looking out for the best long term interests of the sport.

I agree with what you say here and I would add that not letting her compete may also look like rus fed made a mistake not sending her home when the news were out... and of course, the provisional suspension has been lifted by the CAS, so at this point in time, she can do whatever she wants, unless there is a deadline on that decision???

 

[[email protected]]

So it seems Russia will send Kamila to Worlds, and after all why wouldn't they, as she is not suspended. I wonder whether it means ISU shall on their side suspend awarding placements and medals for the Worlds and subsequent competitions with her participation, which would be the only logical move TBH. With the investigation, hearings and appeals going on maybe for months or years, it seems we are guaranteed total chaos.,more weird scenes and inevitable loss of public interest in any of these competitions. TBH I am already losing mine....

I think that scandals warm up public interests.

 

[Shayuki]

Kamila Valieva being sent to worlds by Russia is not surprising. If she was going to be suspended the international anti doping agencies should have done so.

It shouldn't be for very long - that substance's not been proven to even improve performance, and in the past someone like Sun Yang got suspended for only 3 months for it, so Valieva as a "protected person" should be suspended for even less time, but it should of course cover Worlds for it to be meaningful.

 

[Fanof]

Kamila to Worlds? Another medal ceremony bites the dust. And Sasha will have yet another hissy fit.

No, they don't have to cancel the ceremony. Just to disqualify her afterwards if necessary.

 

[Fanof]

Point taken. Re: admission, that's why said it would be too much to ask. I was also thinking Kamila will be hounded by reporters at Worlds again and that she deserves a rest from all that.

I don't think so. The Games are over and the interest in this mess will plummet very quickly.

 

[Fanof]

If Rusfed sends Valieva to Worlds before she is cleared, then she is nothing more than a political propaganda item for Russia.

The provisional suspension was lifted, she can compete wherever she wants. Unless they think she might be disqualified afterwards, I can't see any reason why she would not be sent - except fair play, of course.

 

[[email protected]]

A 15 year old should have another chance- but that’s not the current reality. They’re disposable, replaceable commodities. That is what Eteri has created.

You use quite strong words missing very important point in your analysis: Eteri created a revolution in women's figure skating and it came in stages. Very briefly:

Stage 1: Yulia. The flexibility that beat Coen's and the unseen before amount of transitions. But she was inconsistent with jumps
Stage 2: Zhenya. Feather-like skating, even more transitions, tanos, and unseen before consistency
Stage 3: Alina. Full backloading of both programs including 3Lz-3Lo - the feat no one was capable before and rippon jumps
Stage 4: 3A. Ultra-C jumps en masse including the toughest quads
Stage 5: Kamila - a perfect skater, the best ever

In each next stage the former leaders could not compete with new ones. That's the reason why they faded. None of them would be "disposable, replaceable commodities" should they continue competing for your country whatever it is. Kurakova, Gubanova, Shabotova would likely quit if they continued in Russia - with the current quota system they won't get even GP stages, even B competitions. But now we saw them all at the Olympic games. If Alina wanted to skate for Italy she could skate untill Caro's age going to many worlds and Olympics. The thing is that she does not care about skating for Italy ending up in the second or third warm-up group. Is she "disposable replaceable commodity" - the term from your diary? Not in my diary.

Now the question is whether we are going to have stage 6 in this revolution? Or if Kamila is ruined whether Sonya Akatyeva replaces her at stage 5? I hope the latter won't happen. I hope that Kamila will turn the page and she will have the next Games as the ultimate goal. If the age limit is raised Sonya will be ineligible. And I see no one in Russia but Akatyeva who could challenge Valieva in the years to come let alone other countries.

 

[mrrice]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/wi...ngs-victory/ar-AAU5um6?ocid=msedgntp#comments
This poor young girl was basically used and thrown to the Wolves by her coach and her country. Run away fast Kamila, you have so much talent and there are Countries all over the world who would love to have you skate for them. Shame on the press for continuing to make her the face of this controversy instead of treating her like the victim I truly believe her to be,

 

[Fanof]

next Games as the ultimate goal. If the age limit is raised Sonya will be ineligible. And I see no one in Russia but Akatyeva who could challenge Valieva in the years to come let alone other countries.

Why not? She will be more than 17 on July, 1st 2025.

 

[[email protected]]

Why not? She will be more than 17 on July, 1st 2025.

Exactly, she will be 17. If the age limit by then is 18 then she will be ineligible.

Akatyeva was born July 7 2007. She will be 18 on July 7 2025 missing July 1 cutoff should the age limit be raised to 18.

 

[Fanof]

Stage 1: Yulia. The flexibility that beat Coen's and the unseen before amount of transitions. But she was inconsistent with jumps
Stage 2: Zhenya. Feather-like skating, even more transitions, tanos, and unseen before consistency
Stage 3: Alina. Full backloading of both programs including 3Lz-3Lo - the feat no one was capable before and rippon jumps
Stage 4: 3A. Ultra-C jumps en masse including the toughest quads
Stage 5: Kamila - a perfect skater, the best ever

I must say that I am a bit embarrassed that a skater who has tested positive in a doping control is given as an example and presented as the ultimate stage of evolution.

 

[[email protected]]

I must say that I am a bit embarrassed that a skater who has tested positive in a doping control is given as an example and presented as the ultimate stage of evolution.

Watch the movie "Wrongfully accused" or read about witch hunting during Medieval times. May be then you could understand my point of view.