Did Mirai Make History?

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I believe her score for the Short Program was 70.23, the highest ever for a Senior Skater. Am I correct?

I don't have her score for the LP. Would that total bring it to a history making grand total?

She's some skater. Breezed right through that SP but I noticed a bit of concern for the LP after Flatt and Wagner got ovations.

Joe

 

[Tinymavy15]

only YU-na kim and Sasha Cohen have scored more in international competiton. Marai was the higest ever for a lady at nationals!

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Marai was the higest ever for a lady at nationals!

That was my point.

Joe

 

[Mathman]

There have been only three U.S. nationals held under CoP judging. Sasha holds the record for both the LP and overall.

Sasha Cohen, 2006: 65.15 + 134.03 = 199.18
Kimmie Meissner, 2007: 65.69 + 115.99 = 181.68
Mirai Nagasu, 2008: 70.23 + 120.18 = 190.41

 

[GoldMedalist]

That's a massive LP score.

 

[inskate]

Marai was the higest ever for a lady at nationals!

Mirai\'s score was the highest SP score for an American lady. The highest scores at Nationals were received by Mao, 71.14 last season and 72.92 this season (205.33 overall this season).

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

There have been only three U.S. nationals held under CoP judging. Sasha holds the record for both the LP and overall.

Sasha Cohen, 2006: 65.15 + 134.03 = 199.18
Kimmie Meissner, 2007: 65.69 + 115.99 = 181.68
Mirai Nagasu, 2008: 70.23 + 120.18 = 190.41

Thanks for the rundown. So Mirai does have the highest Short Program score ever.

Joe

 

[PolymerBob]

Everyone has made a big deal of the fact that our senior ladies' champion is not old enough for Worlds. But there's another wrinkle - our junior ladies' champion is old enough.

http://www.usfigureskating.org/AthleteBio.asp?id=38574

Of course, that doesn't mean that she should go.

 

[R.D.]

I think the junior champ is the alternate for the 4CC's though. I don't think for a second she could be competitive at Big Worlds.

 

[Nigel]

There have been only three U.S. nationals held under CoP judging. Sasha holds the record for both the LP and overall.

Sasha Cohen, 2006: 65.15 + 134.03 = 199.18
Kimmie Meissner, 2007: 65.69 + 115.99 = 181.68
Mirai Nagasu, 2008: 70.23 + 120.18 = 190.41

Does someone have readily available the top half dozen or so scores...both SP and/or LP for US ladies at nationals since the onset of CoP?

 

[Sylvia]

Does someone have readily available the top half dozen or so scores...both SP and/or LP for US ladies at nationals since the onset of CoP?

Championship Ladies Short Program at Nationals:
1. Mirai Nagasu 70.23 (2008)
2. Kimmie Meissner 65.69 (2007)
3. Ashley Wagner 65.15 (2008)
3. Sasha Cohen 65.15 (2006)
5. Rachael Flatt 62.91 (2008)
6. Bebe Liang 62.66 (2007)
7. Emily Hughes 62.32 (2007)
8. Katy Taylor 58.72 (2007)
9. Alissa Czsiny 58.15 (2007)
10. Kimmie Meissner 57.58 (2008)

Championship Ladies Free Skate at Nationals:
1. Sasha Cohen 134.03 (2006)
2. Rachael Flatt 125.82 (2008)
3. Ashley Wagner 123.41 (2008)
4. Mirai Nagasu 120.18 (2008)
5. Caroline Zhang 119.67 (2008)
6. Alissa Czisny 119.59 (2007)
7. Emily Hughes 118.84 (2007)
8. Kimmie Meisnner 116.01 (2007)
9. Bebe Liang 109.77 (2008)
10. Rachael Flatt 105.72 (2007)

Championship Ladies Overall Score at Nationals:
1. Sasha Cohen 199.18 (2006)
2. Mirai Nagasu 190.41 (2008)
3. Rachael Flatt 188.73 (2008)
4. Ashley Wagner 188.56 (2008)
5. Kimmie Meissner 181.68 (2007)
6. Emily Hughes 180.86 (2007)
7. Alissa Czisny 177.74 (2007)
8. Caroline Zhang 173.16 (2008)
9. Bebe Liang 167.15 (2007)
10. Bebe Liang 164.87 (2008)

 

[feraina]

Well, I feel like the top scores at National's this year in both the SP & LP are especially inflated even by National's standards. I understand that USFSA is keen to identify the new "stars" to carry the "torch" of reviving skating interests in the US, but I'm not sure that fanning unnecessary expectations is the right way to go about it. Already people are talking about Ashley being THE skater to challenge Mao & Yu-na, or Mirai being THE challenger... It's actually really good that the youngsters are all being sent to the JW instead of the WC this year, because their inflated scores, along with the inflated expectations they generate, can only disappoint when the reality of international judging hits home. Next year, when they all arrive on the international senior scene, and compete with all the other top ladies, then we will be able to see them in much better context, and build up our expectations in a much more realistic way.

I'm not saying that these skaters won't necessarily do well at the WC this year. But if they had been sent to the WC with the expectations that they're going to break 70 in the SP (Mirai), or garner LP scores in the 120's (which only Yu-na & Mao achieved in the GPF), I think that's doing a disservice. Just look how much Mirai's SP result affected her in her LP skate. I don't think these young skaters need that kind of expectations.

Hmm, does it sound like I've done a complete 180?! Actually, I'm not against sending these young'uns to the WC, I just don't think USFSA should inflate the scores SO much AND send them to the WC, which would just place them under unnecessarily high expectations. If National's judging had been in accordance with international judging, then I wouldn't have thought it a bad idea at all. As it is, I worry that even Junior WC judging will come down harsher than National's, despite the typically lax judging of edge calls and downgrades at the junior level. I don't think Ashley could get away with her flutz or Mirai with her under-rotations, for instance, unless they significantly improve from their National's skates.

 

[Nigel]

Sylvia...thanks for the review of scores above!


feraina...not sure i agree with all your points, many of which are very legitimate, but Sasha's scores in 2006 also have the Olympic year inflation associated with them. And, I think one would have to go back and look at just what the program content of the skaters in the past several years to better grasp the points awarded. Of course, as we all know, it is very difficult to compare points across competitions, much less across a period of three years. With that said, I also think that the skaters at 2008 Nationals are using transitions better than back in 2006, the spins combinations are more difficult and better performed, footwork is more complex (hence, higher levels), and four skaters put 3/3's out there, with Zhang, Wagner and Flatt all with 7 triple programs. So, are 2008 Nationals scores inflated? Perhaps alittle, but I also think the CoP scoring has evolved at the same time the complexity of the programs has (regardless if the fans appreciate or like the complexity of the programs or not). So, inflated scores, relative to 2006? Perhaps, but maybe we have to learn to put aside old standards and look at the programs from 2008 with a fresh perspective.

In terms of the youngsters going to JW....yes, I expect the scores to be lower, and the judges to have a different perspective.

 

[cassieandcheetah]

one question...why did Mirai end up wiht only 6 triples when what she missed was a double axel? Is 6 the max 3 jump content in her program, or did she miss one?

 

[Wrlmy]

one question...why did Mirai end up wiht only 6 triples when what she missed was a double axel? Is 6 the max 3 jump content in her program, or did she miss one?

She substituted her salchow with a double axel, so she planned only 6 triples to begin with. I don't know why because her salchow is very good. She used to do it from Ina Bauer entry earlier this season. Maybe she's channeling Mao Asada.

 

[feraina]

She substituted her salchow with a double axel, so she planned only 6 triples to begin with. I don't know why because her salchow is very good. She used to do it from Ina Bauer entry earlier this season. Maybe she's channeling Mao Asada.

Hmm, I wonder why too. Mirai's had various jumps downgraded this year on the JGP, the 3F, 3Z, 3T. But I think the 3S, at least at Lake Placid, was ratified. So I don't know why that got taken out...