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Michelle and Sasha certainly had their defenders while they were competing, Sure they were both criticized but their fans always defended them. Kimmie is no different she is popular and her fans will defend her.
Kimmie - "Still Plagued By Falls..."
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But the difference is that I see many NON-fans coming to her defense as well. That never happened with Kwan/Cohen.
Hmm...probably because no one ever felt bad for them? There were, and are, so many talks about Sasha's inconsistency, but she usually landed at least five triples and skated a beautiful program. In fact, I've never seen her really sad or let down in K&C although there were a few occasions where she seemed underwhelmed. And Kwan...need I say no more?
I think Kimmie is much easier to identify with. She is a sweet, pretty girl with much talent but also vulnerable. She doesn't have that celebrity-personality Kwan and Sasha had.
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Sasha looked bummed at the Olys after her LP and again at worlds in 06...
as for Kimmie - she's not a polarizing skater... she works hard and is very nice and just is the perfect picture of 'average joe' as far as personality. Sasha was known as a Diva and so there are many who didn't like her... Kwan's detractors - some, not all - resented her impressive winning capabilities. Kimmie came onto the scene after all of that 'drama' ended...
as for Kimmie - she's not a polarizing skater... she works hard and is very nice and just is the perfect picture of 'average joe' as far as personality. Sasha was known as a Diva and so there are many who didn't like her... Kwan's detractors - some, not all - resented her impressive winning capabilities. Kimmie came onto the scene after all of that 'drama' ended...
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There have been a zillion posts about Kwan never winning an Oly. It was like a grave sin of omission.
Joe
Kimmie - Still Plagued By Falls...."
It seems ridiculous to compare Kimmie with either Michelle or Sasha. Even when Sasha and Michelle missed jumps, they almost always made the podium. I also don't remember either Michelle or Sasha falling three times in a program. Also, both Michelle and Sasha had so much more to offer in their programs than jumps. This is my opinion so don't get all crazy........I just don't feel that Kimmie is a "special" skater in any way. She is a very cookie cutter type of skater without stage presence. No star quality so to speak.
Dizzy
It seems ridiculous to compare Kimmie with either Michelle or Sasha. Even when Sasha and Michelle missed jumps, they almost always made the podium. I also don't remember either Michelle or Sasha falling three times in a program. Also, both Michelle and Sasha had so much more to offer in their programs than jumps. This is my opinion so don't get all crazy........I just don't feel that Kimmie is a "special" skater in any way. She is a very cookie cutter type of skater without stage presence. No star quality so to speak.
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As harsh as it may sound, I totally agree with what you're saying here. What's so frustrating about Kimmie is, even though all these years have passed, she still hasn't learned how to perform..And that's so frustrating cause it makes it so boring to watch her programs.
Cassieandcheetah,
You do understand what I'm saying. Thank you for that. I think Kimmie appears to be a very sweet kid who works very hard. My comments were not meant to take that away from her. Her claim to fame "was" her competitive spirit and consistency. If these qualities continue to allude her, what's left?
Dizzy
You do understand what I'm saying. Thank you for that. I think Kimmie appears to be a very sweet kid who works very hard. My comments were not meant to take that away from her. Her claim to fame "was" her competitive spirit and consistency. If these qualities continue to allude her, what's left?
Dizzy
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Still, bottom line, U.S. skating fans have to be rooting for Kimmie to come up big in Sweden.
Ashley Wagner might skate as well as the American junior ladies did last week and make the top ten. I am hoping for a miracle skate from Bebe. But Kimmie's still the one, do or die.
Ashley Wagner might skate as well as the American junior ladies did last week and make the top ten. I am hoping for a miracle skate from Bebe. But Kimmie's still the one, do or die.
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I always got VERY nervous when Sasha skated... always watched every program at the edge of my seat. Same with Evan recently. Some skaters have this effect on me... but with most I can sit back and enjoy even if I am pulling for he/she/them to win. Kimmie is not one of those skaters that I would get nervous over. Maybe because I am not pulling her to win. I am rather indifferent.
He's a reporter, not a psychologist. He isn't qualified to make mental health decisions for anybody except himself. Even then, he would do well to consult a qualified professional. It also would be totally unethical for him to leave out truthful information to "protect" his own or someone else's favorite.
Kimmie's mental health is her own responsibility. And if Kimmie is the type who can't take the heat -- which she may not be; I don't know her so have no idea -- it's her job to avoid reading media reports. Or get out of the kitchen. No reporter owes any athlete, actor, official, or other public figure a glowing report for a flawed performance.
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To breathe easier for the Americans, a podium finish for Kimmie is a must. Failing a podium finish, a good placement so that Ashley can add up to 13. A win for Bebe would satisfy me.
Failing all the above, we will be sending 1 skater from US Nats in Cleveland to the LA Worlds. It probably will be Rachael Flatt who will then go on to win the LA Worlds, and all three of the American best will be in Vancouver.
Joe
Failing all the above, we will be sending 1 skater from US Nats in Cleveland to the LA Worlds. It probably will be Rachael Flatt who will then go on to win the LA Worlds, and all three of the American best will be in Vancouver.
Joe
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Hopefully some one who went to the send off (iluvtodd...are you listening???) can give us an update about what happend and what Kimmie was like.
That being said..I think that Kimmie's problems of late have been with her jumps. I am not surprised that a reported choose to focus on these same problems in his article, even if it was just an exhibition. Perhaps Kimmie doens't need help with her jumps but help with her head. Maybe there is a mental reason as to why she is just falling on jumps.
I dont' remember her being that bad during Skate America. She won that competition and did well throughout the grand prix. But something happened before the grand prix final and then again at nationals. Maybe we will never know...but something has to cause a skater to just break down like she has.
I sure hope that she gets it together for worlds and I wish her luck in doing so.
That being said..I think that Kimmie's problems of late have been with her jumps. I am not surprised that a reported choose to focus on these same problems in his article, even if it was just an exhibition. Perhaps Kimmie doens't need help with her jumps but help with her head. Maybe there is a mental reason as to why she is just falling on jumps.
I dont' remember her being that bad during Skate America. She won that competition and did well throughout the grand prix. But something happened before the grand prix final and then again at nationals. Maybe we will never know...but something has to cause a skater to just break down like she has.
I sure hope that she gets it together for worlds and I wish her luck in doing so.
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I think the main mental lapse for her has been repeatedly being marked down for lipping the 3flip and for underrotating her toe jumps. This season has to be a blow to her confidence because the ISU is really cracking down on all skaters who have technical deficiencies. For so long, the ISU allowed those problems to slide by without much penalty, but this season the whip cracking from the technical callers and the judges have shot many of the skaters on their confidence levels. At this point, Kimmie doesn't trust her technique and that can only lead to disaster. I too wish her and all the skaters only the best at Worlds. Many of them have to go back during the off season and rework their technique on their faulty jumps. Kimmie Meissner and Sarah Meier need to work on their 3flips and Mao Asada, Ashley Wagner, Caroline Zhang, among others, need to work on their 3Lutzes.
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You know...I do miss that cheap thrill I would get whenever watching Nats or Worlds during the 02-05 Oly run. This year's Nats was the best in terms of quality of competition but I still was not on the edge of my seat, heart pounding in anticipation. (I guess part of that was not knowing who half the contenders were, lol) That feeling ended with '05 Nats I believe. '06 Olys came close but after watching the warmups I pretty much knew how it would play out. The Kwan/Cohen rivalry was pretty intense then. I was a little nervous watching Kimmie this year but nothing compared to how I felt watching MK and SC back when they competed. As for the most boring, I'd have to give that to last year's Worlds. This year I hope will be much better (if not this year, then definitely next year in LA).
I dunno, maybe part of that thrill came from use of the old 6.0 system. I find that the very nature of the Cop DOES take away some of that excitement, at least for me.
I must agree that even though I find myself deep down pulling for Meissner, I won't be on the edge of my seat shaking when watching her/following live results online. She is just not the type of skater to get one emotionally invested. Then again, worlds is still three weeks away and that could change as the event approaches.
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IMO, when combined with other articles, indicating that Kimmie's problems are affected by a growth spurt, this article provides a great case for increasing the age limit to 21 (or upon passing hormonal and other tests to show that a skater has finished growing) The transition from girlhood to womanhood is difficult enough without publicity about the problems caused by growth -- the kids should be able to go through that time in private.
This article strikes me as an extremely light sample of what the press does to Britney Spears -- that a celebrity's problems are a legitimate subject of reporting does not alter the potential harm; and it does not make the articles necessary. Let them alone and write about someone else.
This article strikes me as an extremely light sample of what the press does to Britney Spears -- that a celebrity's problems are a legitimate subject of reporting does not alter the potential harm; and it does not make the articles necessary. Let them alone and write about someone else.
You betcha we're concerned about Kimmie at this year's Worlds. And Bebe and Ashely! Why? Because they have to stand up to the plate at this World's in order to hold three places for the USA ladies for Los Angeles 2009 Worlds-- which feeds in to the 2010 Olympics. Why are we so fidgety? Because we have 3 (count 'em 3) junior ladies who swept the podia at Junior World's two days ago. And they were light years ahead of the rest of the competition. All three are age-eligible for Senior World's next year. And history tells us that they NEED Worlds 2009 competition to make the best of Olympics 2010. Keeping this in mind, we have quite a conundrum! Kimmie, and Ashley, and Bebe may just keep those three places for us. But alas, if they do so, they will have to fight like the dickens at 2009 Nationals to make that 2009 World team to use one of those places they earned for us! Doesn't seem fair!
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