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2022–23 Canadian Figure Skating

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Context is important.

I agree that context is important, and what you say is true.

But most folks probably know my stance on National Championships being the sole determinative, end-all, be-all of Team Selection... with some leeway for medical waivers.

It's an ongoing argument, and no need to rehash, but I think it's doubly wrong to leave an eligible National Champion at home. That's just me. All said and done, it's just one man's non-binding opinion, but it's one which I will not change.
 
I agree that context is important, and what you say is true.

But most folks probably know my stance on National Championships being the sole determinative, end-all, be-all of Team Selection... with some leeway for medical waivers.

It's an ongoing argument, and no need to rehash, but I think it's doubly wrong to leave an eligible National Champion at home. That's just me. All said and done, it's just one man's non-binding opinion, but it's one which I will not change.
I agree we don't need to rehash the argument ;) Historically though, Skate Canada has mostly honoured their Nationals as the main factor... You can ask Josée Chouinard who was left out, while just coming back from injury, despite having won bronze at GPF that year... She was edged out by Robinson at Nationals....though, clearly, everyone knows who the best skater was.
 
I agree we don't need to rehash the argument ;) Historically though, Skate Canada has mostly honoured their Nationals as the main factor... You can ask Josée Chouinard who was left out, while just coming back from injury, despite having won bronze at GPF that year... She was edged out by Robinson at Nationals....though, clearly, everyone knows who the best skater was.
Each nation has a different approach but I would have sent Chouinard. Robinson was kind of lucky in skating that she competed when there was a huge lull in ladies skating in Canada. As we head towards Canadian Nats - odd they are before the US - I am always interested but not as much this year in Canada Nationals. First in pairs marketing wise you have to say look and the up and coming but with top teams gone and the injury/illnes to Stellato Canada nationals is turning out to be a lovely chance for some unknown teams to go to worlds and sadly lose spots for Canada. Three spots and Canada will not be sending anyone who has gone to worlds before. Does not bode well. I really wanted to see Stellato and her partner to grow but this mysterious illness is super concerning and affecting their skating. Organizers must be hoping dance brings interest. How unlucky that Canada's main chance at a world medal and even gold is out and with Piper's appendectomy one wonders if world gold just went to Chock and Bates. All that momentum lost; how unlucky. Still there is the Danadians, and the two L squared teams that will bring interest. I fear this may be the end of Firius and his partner as they cannot seem to stop the doward spiral. In men's ho hum. No one seems to really have the consistency. Nadeau is gone. Messing though likeable has beenskating like he has checked out and knows he is competitive because no one is aking ownership ofthe men's. Roman S has shown great promise but honestly has been at this for a while and still cannot get it together. Those two are the class of the field but other skaters have a chance with lady luck. Ladies is even more lacklustre. With Gabby out and Madeline not skating inspriationally or really well its Schizas to lose. This has to be one of the worst years for Canada Nationals - a hard sell. Organizers don't have a lot to work with and the top two teams with hopes for world medal injured or sick
 
Each nation has a different approach but I would have sent Chouinard. Robinson was kind of lucky in skating that she competed when there was a huge lull in ladies skating in Canada. As we head towards Canadian Nats - odd they are before the US - I am always interested but not as much this year in Canada Nationals. First in pairs marketing wise you have to say look and the up and coming but with top teams gone and the injury/illnes to Stellato Canada nationals is turning out to be a lovely chance for some unknown teams to go to worlds and sadly lose spots for Canada. Three spots and Canada will not be sending anyone who has gone to worlds before. Does not bode well. I really wanted to see Stellato and her partner to grow but this mysterious illness is super concerning and affecting their skating. Organizers must be hoping dance brings interest. How unlucky that Canada's main chance at a world medal and even gold is out and with Piper's appendectomy one wonders if world gold just went to Chock and Bates. All that momentum lost; how unlucky. Still there is the Danadians, and the two L squared teams that will bring interest. I fear this may be the end of Firius and his partner as they cannot seem to stop the doward spiral. In men's ho hum. No one seems to really have the consistency. Nadeau is gone. Messing though likeable has beenskating like he has checked out and knows he is competitive because no one is aking ownership ofthe men's. Roman S has shown great promise but honestly has been at this for a while and still cannot get it together. Those two are the class of the field but other skaters have a chance with lady luck. Ladies is even more lacklustre. With Gabby out and Madeline not skating inspriationally or really well its Schizas to lose. This has to be one of the worst years for Canada Nationals - a hard sell. Organizers don't have a lot to work with and the top two teams with hopes for world medal injured or sick
well... i tend to look at the positive, after the initial shock coming from the news.

Considering Piper is already on the ice, there is even a chance they may go to 4CC. There is no loss of momentum for them internationally. They really don't need to win a National title to boost their international rep.

Deanna and Max : Deanna was already sick at GPF and they skated. It wasn't their best but they were in the mix for bronze with other strong international teams. I have a hard time believing that this virus will affect them in March for Worlds. So, sure, for them, there is a bit of loss of momentum, but at the same time, the international pairs field is relatively open but the first two spots... So, they can go to 4cc and worlds and be in the mix as well. I am not worried for them that much... just sad she is undergoing such a rough time. Being sick sucks for anyone... it sucks when it affects one's work... when your work is to be an athlete, it must be hell... but she is a grown up and is dealing with it.

I disagree with you that the rest of the pairs field is super weak... Quite the contrary ! I find it SUPER EXCITING ! I think Trennt and Lia are more interesting to watch and have way more potential than Evelyn and Trennt had... they have gelled super quickly too.

Nadeau and Proft are making very fast progress. Ben and Brooke have transitioned well into the senior scene and so did Kelly Ann and Loucas.

All these teams have been on the podium (except Emma and Nic who haven't been out yet) at international competitions, GPs and/ or Challengers.
All these teams have solid triple twists, probably better than what we have seen in Canadian pairs for a long time. Trennt and Lia have very solid SBS jumps. Kelly Ann and Loucas even do a SBS 3loop.

If we were at the last year of the olympic quad, I'd be worried. But for the first year of the cycle, it is difficult to look at this field without enthusiasm.

Dance : two of the top teams won't compete and yet, the field is still stacked... again with many teams competing well this season winning medals in international competition.

Men is a hot mess... but meh...it's like that everywhere... but perhaps Japan? I just watched junior men and the new champion is quite young (i think 15) and landed 3 triple axels perfectly well over both programs. I don't think the organisers will have to do much to sell this one : last chance to see Keegan Messing compete at home... he is adored by the fans and rightfully so. Seeing him live is worth the trip.

Women : Gabby's absence will be noticed but with one spot and Madeline being our leader all year, it is what it is. New talent is emerging. The junior women SP was quite strong last night. Many 3-3 combos... pretty much ALL the women did the mandatory 3 loop (in juniors they have the option of doing either 2loop or 3 loop... well... i think only one popped hers)... And to get back to Josée, it will be very interesting to see how Fiona handles the pressure now as she did very well at Challenge and had a good LP in one of the international events... Without Gabby, the podium is wide open... will Fiona seize the day? I am excited to see how well Kaiya will do too !

If I admit I was disappointed in the injuries and withdrawals, I am overall very positive about the current field. It looks good for Montreal worlds 2024.
 
im so confused as to why she even needs to be released to compete for Canada, she hasnt ever competed internationally has she?
 
Uliana's case was discussed a lot between @lariko and me.. and others... She certainly should not need a release but it seems like Skate Canada was waiting for some sort of release which hasn't come in time for Uliana to compete at this year's qualifying events and then Nationals. She did compete as a guest at the summer BC series, a non-qualifying event.
 
That was a fun national championships, on the whole. In three of the four fields there were a lot of promising performances.

Men's, apart from Keegan's farewell, is a lot more worrying, though Gogolev's free skate was a highlight.
 
I don't disagree with the post above.

I think Newnham and Conrad 's SP are worth a mention.

Conrad keeps improving under Ravi. Who knows where another year can bring him.
 
Im still sad Lagha/Lajoie have to go lick their wounds at home…
I am sure they were prepared to this eventuality.

Also, fine, there were the two deductions for extended lift in their rotational lift both in the RD and FD.. but it wouldn't even have been that close with the tiny but costly mishap that happened to Lolo with her skirt... They lost the full element there and got a deduction for a fall. That's about 5 points.

Talking about lost elements, Emma and Nic also lost their full Death Spiral.
 
I am sure they were prepared to this eventuality.

Also, fine, there were the two deductions for extended lift in their rotational lift both in the RD and FD.. but it wouldn't even have been that close with the tiny but costly mishap that happened to Lolo with her skirt... They lost the full element there and got a deduction for a fall. That's about 5 points.

Talking about lost elements, Emma and Nic also lost their full Death Spiral.

That is why despite putting out a great performance today…they knew they were not going to Worlds which is why they seemed sad even if they placed 1st in the free…everyone knew that no matter what happened, the World Team was decided…even if FB/S put out the epic fail of the century today…no one else is was going to go knowing full well the world gold medal favourites were not competing…
 
That is why despite putting out a great performance today…they knew they were not going to Worlds which is why they seemed sad even if they placed 1st in the free…everyone knew that no matter what happened, the World Team was decided…even if FB/S put out the epic fail of the century today…no one else is was going to go knowing full well the world gold medal favourites were not competing…
they seemed pretty happy on the podium... Marjorie said they skated tense and not feeling comfortable out there... which is why I think they were sad... Look, since worlds 2022, LaLa have been aware that there was a huge chance that they wouldn't go to worlds... All they can do is improve, skate the best they can, seize the opportunities they are given (GP, 4CC etc) and who knows what will happen... Already, they were expecting to finish in third... and they got close to first. Looking back in March 2022, if they had been told, how would you feel about winning the FD at Nationals next year... would you take it? I am sure the answer would have been yes !

We all know how ice dance works... I am stuck because I love both teams :) I do think that Nik and Lolo project better and are more mature in their skating, which allows them to score higher. Lala are doing extremely difficult stuff...they are fast, powerful and dynamic. It will be amazing to see where they will end up at 4CC and hopefully they will skate at home worlds in 2024. The big prize is not this year anyway. There is a strong chance that Nik and Lolo as well as Piper and Paul will retire after Montreal worlds. Perhaps even Chock and Bates. Lala are super young. They know that their time is coming soon. They just need to get as ready as they can by developing their style and getting known for it, as well as bringing a very consistent body of work.
They won their first GP medals this year. They won both of their challenger events... it is a huge progression already and something they can be satisfied with.

Of course, I am pissed off Canada only gets two spots for worlds. This is really the issue, especially that many of the teams who placed ahead to prevent Canada from getting the magic number to earn the 3 spots are not even competing this year.
 
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I really enjoyed the Canadian championships. Great pairs, great Dance, and I enjoyed the men's very much if only for it's sheer unpredictability. Lovely to see Keegan get a great farewell, Conrad doing really well in both his short and long - room for improvement but getting better and better. I'm not so much into women's but considering the positive points lots of posters have made, I might get into that later. Really great of the organisers to let us watch in other parts of the world. Maybe some technical hiccups but most of the championships could be watched, and at the times I wished to even if it was originally in the middle of the night for me!
 
Selections announced

4 Continents

Pair
Kelly Ann Laurin / Loucas Ethier
Lia Pereira / Trennt Michaud
Deanna Stellato-Dudek / Maxime Deschamps

Ice Dance
Laurence Fournier Beaudry / Nikolaj Soerensen
Piper Gilles / Paul Poirier
Marjorie Lajoie / Zachary Lagha

Men
Stephen Gogolev
Keegan Messing
Conrad Orzel

Women
Sara-Maude Dupuis
Justine Miclette
Madeline Schizas


Junior Worlds

Pair
Ava Kemp / Yohnatan Elizarov
Chloe Panetta / Kieran Thrasher
Ashlyn Schmitz / Tristan Taylor

Ice Dance
Nadiia Bashynska / Peter Beaumont
Sandrine Gauthier/ Quentin Thieren
Hailey Yu / Brendan Giang

Men
Wesley Chiu
Aleksa Rakic
Edward Nicholas Vasii

Women
Kaiya Ruiter


Senior Worlds

Pair
Brooke McIntosh / Benjamin Mimar
Lia Pereira / Trennt Michaud
Deanna Stellato-Dudek / Maxime Deschamps

Ice Dance
Laurence Fournier Beaudry / Nikolaj Soerensen
Piper Gilles / Paul Poirier

Men
Keegan Messing
TBD

Women
Madeline Schizas

Source: https://skatecanada.ca/2023/01/skate-canada-names-teams-for-2023-isu-championships/
 
What is the reason of McIntosh/Mimar skipping 4CCs?

I get the reasonings behind the other choices (even if I may not agree with some of them).
 
oh wow was not expecting them to split Wesley and Gogo like that. I guess Gogo is being considered for senior world as well after that FS so 4cc will be a trial for Conrad and him.
 
What is the reason of McIntosh/Mimar skipping 4CCs?

I get the reasonings behind the other choices (even if I may not agree with some of them).
I’m also very shocked about this choice, they are the clear #2 in my mind, I wonder if they asked to not be assigned?

I guess we will know if they are listed as alternates
 
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