A question about the lovely Ms. Nakano!
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According to the protocols, the lovely Ms. N. was hit with downgrades on her triple Axel and her solo triple flip in the long program. (She got full credit for her triple flip+double toe in both SP and LP.)
How to see it? I don't know about the flip, but if you look at the landing of the triple Axel, you can see that she rotates her landing foot really, really fast in a big "hook" the moment she touches the ice.
This is very hard to judge, IMHO, in real time while the program is going forward. On the U.S. television coverage Peggy Fleming gushed over Yukari's triple Axel, saying it was the best she had aver seen from her and one of the best she had ever seen from anyone. But in the replay, once we were told what to look for, the "hook" on the landing was quite easy to see. I imagine the tracing on the ice would look like a J as she completed the last 180 degrees or so on the ice.
It was still a beautiful jump. It's a crime to take GOE off for "underrotation," when the jump has already been reduced to a double by the technical specialist's call.
How to see it? I don't know about the flip, but if you look at the landing of the triple Axel, you can see that she rotates her landing foot really, really fast in a big "hook" the moment she touches the ice.
This is very hard to judge, IMHO, in real time while the program is going forward. On the U.S. television coverage Peggy Fleming gushed over Yukari's triple Axel, saying it was the best she had aver seen from her and one of the best she had ever seen from anyone. But in the replay, once we were told what to look for, the "hook" on the landing was quite easy to see. I imagine the tracing on the ice would look like a J as she completed the last 180 degrees or so on the ice.
It was still a beautiful jump. It's a crime to take GOE off for "underrotation," when the jump has already been reduced to a double by the technical specialist's call.
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The UR part is at the landing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AQkUCVKyos
5'30'' huge prerotation and underrotation.
Here is Mao's 3-3 at 4CC in slow motion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjQVoZukZE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AQkUCVKyos
5'30'' huge prerotation and underrotation.
Here is Mao's 3-3 at 4CC in slow motion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjQVoZukZE
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I have another question.
How long can she continue skating without a sponsor?
How long can she continue skating without a sponsor?
Perhaps JSF supports her although I don't know if that's enough.
Then perhaps just as long as her parents could support her??? Many figure skaters are from a wealthy family. In Japan, the intergenerational monetary exchange, esp. from parents to children, could be pretty generous even after the child is over 20 yrs old. But I don't know if these are the case for Yukari. These are just my speculations.
I hope that she could find a sponsor. She is getting more and more outstanding in skate and her attitudes and behaviors have also come to be considered more and more likable. She was really graceful smiling at K & C despite those scores and didn't show her dissapointment as she used to do before. Most importantly, this Worlds outcome demonstrates that she has a good chance for shooting the Olympic medal. I think that's the main concern for a potential sponsor. Although she used to be rather over-shadowed by Mao and Miki, she was the one to shine in LP at Worlds. Besides, she has a pretty face, which always helps. I think that she now has a good chance for finding a sponsor. Even the much less famous Kozuka has an outstanding sponsor (Toyoya!). So why not Yukari.
Perhaps she could set up her homepage and encourage potentail sponsors to contact her as Patrick Chan does on his homepage.
Then perhaps just as long as her parents could support her??? Many figure skaters are from a wealthy family. In Japan, the intergenerational monetary exchange, esp. from parents to children, could be pretty generous even after the child is over 20 yrs old. But I don't know if these are the case for Yukari. These are just my speculations.
I hope that she could find a sponsor. She is getting more and more outstanding in skate and her attitudes and behaviors have also come to be considered more and more likable. She was really graceful smiling at K & C despite those scores and didn't show her dissapointment as she used to do before. Most importantly, this Worlds outcome demonstrates that she has a good chance for shooting the Olympic medal. I think that's the main concern for a potential sponsor. Although she used to be rather over-shadowed by Mao and Miki, she was the one to shine in LP at Worlds. Besides, she has a pretty face, which always helps. I think that she now has a good chance for finding a sponsor. Even the much less famous Kozuka has an outstanding sponsor (Toyoya!). So why not Yukari.
Perhaps she could set up her homepage and encourage potentail sponsors to contact her as Patrick Chan does on his homepage.
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I'm surprised how much more likable she became within less than a year! It's great to see her charming smile for change! (although, ironically, angry look would've been very appropriate at this particular occasion) I wonder how much of the cost JSF covers for "senior A" skaters. I'm assuming the federation covers the most of the cost, and sponsors are for extra income, which would be very nice when you are 22 and jobless. Now that she proved herself a serious contender for OGM, she should land a few deals.
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No, I don't think so. As I understand the rules, even when the technical specialist downgrades a jtriple jump, the judges are still supposed to give GOE for the triple, not for a double. That is why, in the protocols, the jump is listed as, for instance, 3Lz<, not 2Lz.
The downgrade reduces the base value, but it is still regarded as a triple for GOE purposes and the judges are expected to give negative GOE for underrotation of the triple.
Here is the ISU document.
http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-183415-200633-121139-0-file,00.pdf
Scroll down to page 8, line four under "jump errors." When the jump error is "downgrade," the judges are required to give a negative GOE, from -1 to -3.
There is no penalty for overrotation of jumps, as far as I can see from the rules, unless the overrotation results in a "weak landing (on toe, wrong edge, etc.)"
Maybe one of our CoP experts can clarify this. (?)
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Here is a clip of Yukari on a Japanese talk show last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8MoZFIjto8
ETA ............. and a cooking show from 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2d4TYaYjCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8MoZFIjto8
ETA ............. and a cooking show from 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2d4TYaYjCA
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I have a delicate (maybe) question.
Is it possible that her performance at worlds will gain her more enemies than friends in the JSF?
On the one hand, she had the best performance of the night by any judging criteria of the last 50 years (except for awful CoP). She also got the biggest reaction from the crowd.
On the other hand, she failed to medal and to some extent upstaged the favorite child of JSF.
In many cultures the latter two considerations would override the the former. Does anyone here have any idea how it would work within JSF?
Is it possible that her performance at worlds will gain her more enemies than friends in the JSF?
On the one hand, she had the best performance of the night by any judging criteria of the last 50 years (except for awful CoP). She also got the biggest reaction from the crowd.
On the other hand, she failed to medal and to some extent upstaged the favorite child of JSF.
In many cultures the latter two considerations would override the the former. Does anyone here have any idea how it would work within JSF?
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I know that I'm not a big fan of her wrap (but I love the rest of her skating, otherwise), but I want to know why she is disliked by her federation. Sometimes when I see her skate, I do get this feeling that she feels like a "stepchild".
It would be possible that Mao's sponsors feel that way, but I believe JSF would support Nakano anyhow unless Mao's sponsors have a big say in the matter.
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At this point, I would have to say that maybe Yukari got .... if not a raw .... then a slightly undercooked deal in Sweden. But I don't think there is any conspiracy against her.
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Hmm... the same logic seems to imply that
a clean triple jump = an overrotated double jump
and should be penalized lol
Oh and since a clean triple is more overrotated than an underroated triple, should be penalized more harshly...
I don't think so. The more medals, the better. They were a bit dissapointed that only Mao got a medal at Worlds.
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Wait a minute. Are you saying that the JSF is angry with Nakano even knowing that it is not her fault she didn't medal? Or are you saying that the JSF doesn't CARE that she DESERVED a medal, which she did, but only that result is result and they are angry with her for not medalling anyway?
I didn't say either of them. I only said that they were a bit dissapointed that only Mao won the medal.
Japan had three medals last year. There were multiple medal contenders in the team this year as well. It is natural for them to feel a bit sad about it just as much as Canadian Skating Federation deserves feeling very proud.
I also meant that JSF would be happy about Yukari's getting better. She is now stronger and would be a good medal contender in the Olympics. Although they might have felt even happier if Yukari medalled there, I don't believe that anyone was angry. Sorry if my post was not clear enough.
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