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Did you all get to see Voronov? He did quite well and improved quite a bit since Euros. He placed 7th in top 10, Does Russia get 2 Men next year?
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Yes, Russia will get 2 men at Worlds in Los Angeles.
It's too bad that Sergei Voronov's 4th place Tango FS was "chacked" from ESPN's broadcast (due to losing about 20 minutes, it appears that both he and Carriere were edited out), but from what I saw on the 'net, Voronov's jumps (including quad toe, two triple axels) were impressive. He didn't attempt any triple lutzes (reportedly due to an injury earlier in the season). It was great to see coach Alexei Urmanov so happy after his star pupil's free skate.
It's too bad that Sergei Voronov's 4th place Tango FS was "chacked" from ESPN's broadcast (due to losing about 20 minutes, it appears that both he and Carriere were edited out), but from what I saw on the 'net, Voronov's jumps (including quad toe, two triple axels) were impressive. He didn't attempt any triple lutzes (reportedly due to an injury earlier in the season). It was great to see coach Alexei Urmanov so happy after his star pupil's free skate.
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I glanced at Urmanov here and there while Voronov was skating and he had hope in his eyes and at the end went crazy with joy.Yes, Russia will get 2 men at Worlds in Los Angeles.
It's too bad that Sergei Voronov's 4th place Tango FS was "chacked" from ESPN's broadcast (due to losing about 20 minutes, it appears that both he and Carriere were edited out), but from what I saw on the 'net, Voronov's jumps (including quad toe, two triple axels) were impressive. He didn't attempt any triple lutzes (reportedly due to an injury earlier in the season). It was great to see coach Alexei Urmanov so happy after his star pupil's free skate.
What I didn't like about Alexei was he had no real choreography. It was crossover, crossover, trick and repeat. I do not think he is musical. He did a quad as did Jeremy who is super musical. Too bad Jeremy mussed up on little things.
Joe
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I like Segei's skating, but I think he needs to try and find himself a personality on the ice so not to become just "another Russian skater"
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Hmm, I don't want to open a new thread for a tiny question - so I post it here, because it's about one Russian skater.
Dobrin did two smashing Quad Salchows at TEB 2006. But this season he didn't do a Quad Salchow, but Quad Toes - and these Quad Toes look less secure, he had serious problems with them.
Does anybody know if there was something wrong with those Salchows? I don't know, serious prerotation, other technical flaws...? They certainly looked very easy, so perhaps there was a flaw and I just can't detect it. Or he was injured and couldn't do the Salchow anymore?
Dobrin did two smashing Quad Salchows at TEB 2006. But this season he didn't do a Quad Salchow, but Quad Toes - and these Quad Toes look less secure, he had serious problems with them.
Does anybody know if there was something wrong with those Salchows? I don't know, serious prerotation, other technical flaws...? They certainly looked very easy, so perhaps there was a flaw and I just can't detect it. Or he was injured and couldn't do the Salchow anymore?
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Voronov was great indeed and he mad the most improvement compared to last year. From 19th to 7th, it was a huge jump on the standings. He needs a kick *** program next time. And Im really curious about who will be the 2 russians on Los Angeles. Voronov is probably the safest bet but then we have Lutai, Uspenski, Griazev, Dobrin, and now Borodulin which Iim positive will move to Senior next season.
I was very excited for Voronov to do so well at Worlds.
Next year, I'm hoping Uspenski will be #2. But I think he has performed poorly since his coaching change. His programs this year were laid out fine, but his execution was sloppy. That is, it seems he isn't training rigorously or just doesn't care enough or ... something. Inexcusable, but totally fixable if he chooses. It wouldn't break my heart if Borodulin moved up either.
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I had read somewhere the Russians were going to try to recycle some of their old champoins.
Do you mean that they'll take body parts from different former skating champions to create a new super champion? Like a Frankenskater?
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I presume you mean Yagudin and Plushenko. If they are up to it, why not? I hope they realize that a skater has just won Worlds without a Quad.
Joe
You doubt those two still can do triples?
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1. I believe Yagudin has already said that he won't be coming back. As for Plushenko - he is still saying he is, so we shall see.
2. Regarding Urmanov coaching Voronov. I found it very touching that not only was Urmanov beside himself with joy at Sergei's success, but that Mishin was so incredibly happy for Urmanov. Some of his statements after Europeans just overflowed with the pride in his former student.
3. As to Voronov's skating. Yes, it is raw and lacks much choreography. However, I don't see much wrong with the strategy of first getting the technical elements in, and then adding in the choreography. BTW, I believe that approach has been a major part of Mishin's strategy even as he described it in his textbooks.
2. Regarding Urmanov coaching Voronov. I found it very touching that not only was Urmanov beside himself with joy at Sergei's success, but that Mishin was so incredibly happy for Urmanov. Some of his statements after Europeans just overflowed with the pride in his former student.
3. As to Voronov's skating. Yes, it is raw and lacks much choreography. However, I don't see much wrong with the strategy of first getting the technical elements in, and then adding in the choreography. BTW, I believe that approach has been a major part of Mishin's strategy even as he described it in his textbooks.
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British Eurosport commentators did mention during the Worlds exhibition that Plushenko will be coming back.. Still, there's room for doubt, since that's what he said last season. There's no way Yagudin's coming back, esp since he has never even competed under the new system before.
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I love love love Yagudin, he was the reason I began watching some years ago (I fell in love with him and figure skating during the Olympics -02), but if he, against all odds, come back now, I don't think he won't stand a chance. Everything has change so much since he left. The competitors level today is so high.
I think Yagudin in his prime could compete though, I really do. If Plushenko could adjust, I don't see why Yagudin couldn't. But I think Yags body has taken far to much beatings to come back now...
Honestly, I think the Russians are doing pretty well with Voronov and the man that took second at Junior worlds....
But Plushenko had to adjust. I think Yagudin (in his prime) could have adjusted like Plushenko. Yagudin was immensely talented and if Irina and Plushenko could have adjusted, I think he could have too.
This being said, I don't think health wise it's feasible for Yagudin to do it now.
I'll be shocked if Plushenko comes back.
I really liked Voronov's skates at Europeans and Worlds. Nice technique and great jumps. Obviously he needs more choreography and more interesting programs, but he has tremendous potential. Same for Borodulin. I thought he was awesome at Junior Worlds.
I found it interesting how young a lot of the competitors were at Russian Senior Nationals. Bariev, Grigoriev, Voronov, Gachinski, Gleichengauz are all in their teens. It seems like Russia has a nice "stable" of young men waiting to break out.
I really liked Voronov's skates at Europeans and Worlds. Nice technique and great jumps. Obviously he needs more choreography and more interesting programs, but he has tremendous potential. Same for Borodulin. I thought he was awesome at Junior Worlds.
I found it interesting how young a lot of the competitors were at Russian Senior Nationals. Bariev, Grigoriev, Voronov, Gachinski, Gleichengauz are all in their teens. It seems like Russia has a nice "stable" of young men waiting to break out.
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The funny thing is that I didn't get Plushenko had retired, but later sad he wanted to come back. I just thought he was injured. So I didn't think about that much since you can't do very much about injuries. I wanted him to get well to Worlds 2008 so I could see him live, was very sad when I understood he was not. But now I don't miss him all. The competitions are so much more exciting when he's not there. He wasn't _that_ special. As said, very good a new generation will be able to step forward, Voronov and the others. The future looks bright.
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