Who is DOOMED next season?
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Hmmm a bit sad to predict but I am not sure if Miki will be there. I feel that she may be better off taking a long off (e.g., not participating GPs or even taking a year off). She was about to withdraw or actually withdrew at least 4 times in total since the 2006 Nationals (if we count the ice shows, even more) and was significantly low in SA and NHK although she was good at 2007 Worlds, brilliant at 2007 Nationals, and okay at 4CC. It seems that she often has been too injured to skate but nonetheless pushed herself, which is not good.
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I think all three American ladies at worlds this year are doomed. I really doubt any of them will be able to participate next year.
I hope you are wrong about Pang/Tong though.. If anything, I think Dube/Davison are doomed to not medal at next year's worlds..
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No doom and gloom for me. I intend on staying positive for my favorites and wish all the other skaters a successful upcoming season.
I think all three American ladies at worlds this year are doomed. I really doubt any of them will be able to participate next year.
Why do you say that about D and D??? They were my favorite at this year's worlds................
I don't think ANYONE is doomed.
Skaters are first and foremost ATHLETES. They can have disasters and yet come back and triumph over them. People wrote off Lu Chen when she failed to make the final at Worlds 1997, but she stormed back and won Olympic bronze in 1998. Remember Miki Ando's horrible Olympic season in 2006? Who would have ever thought she would be the 2007 World Champion? Writing off Belbin/Agosto because they had a fall in the CD at Worlds 2008 is absurd.
Skaters are first and foremost ATHLETES. They can have disasters and yet come back and triumph over them. People wrote off Lu Chen when she failed to make the final at Worlds 1997, but she stormed back and won Olympic bronze in 1998. Remember Miki Ando's horrible Olympic season in 2006? Who would have ever thought she would be the 2007 World Champion? Writing off Belbin/Agosto because they had a fall in the CD at Worlds 2008 is absurd.
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No one is really doomed. All skaters attempt to skate their best. Many factors influence the result. I give them all a chance and very often some rise to the occasion.
Joe
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Any skater can have a bad season...and that includes everyone....so really none are doomed but all are doomed at the same time.
IMO, the sport itself may not be DOOMED until after the Vancouver Olys, if the ISU doesn't reform the judging system to help secure public confidence -- the anonymous judging, including those judges with disciplinary incidents render the CoP ineffective for this purpose.
As long as the sport is financed by things like TV rights (especially US TV) or ticket sales, the ISU also need to change the rules to allow the skaters to produce the kinds of moves and programs that people will pay money to see or to watch instead of the current rewards for contortionists -- and if it wants to continue under the current rewards for contortionists, then it needs to find a new method of funding!
As long as the sport is financed by things like TV rights (especially US TV) or ticket sales, the ISU also need to change the rules to allow the skaters to produce the kinds of moves and programs that people will pay money to see or to watch instead of the current rewards for contortionists -- and if it wants to continue under the current rewards for contortionists, then it needs to find a new method of funding!
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I agree. I can watch speed skating, snowboarding, ski jumping.....etc...and I totally understand the judging and know how people win and people lose...even if I don't watch the sport all the time (well snowboarding I do). This can't be said for figure skating...if the advid fan can't understand the judging....how can the casual fan??
Speed skating, snowboarding, ski jumping are sports that do not really have an artistic component. Figure skating does. Because art is inherently subjective, there will always be a group of people who will not understand why something was judged the way it was, no matter the result. I don't think a judging system can be created to fix this.
True. However, in many cases where there is a subjective components (such as a music or art competition), many people will "leave it to the experts" and assume that the experts got it right. Here, because of ISU policies, there are risks of corruption -- financial or nationalistic issues, as well as the number of judges who could be on the panel with a prior history. No one is willing to give the "experts" the benefit of the doubt in skating.
It may be also the result of figure skating competitors having fans -- unlike most people in a music or art competition. Once a fan becomes "invested" in a particular skater/team, seeing that skater/team get scores he/she feels are "unreasonable" has a tendency to increase accusations of conspiracies, robbing, etc.
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But there are judged sports that don't have as much controversy as skating does. Equestrian dressage and diving come immediately to mind, and I'm sure there are others. Gymnastics, I suppose, has had even MORE controversy than skating.
So problems with judged sports range on a continuum, and it would be great for skating to move toward less controversy.
It would help if skating had a scoring system that had strong "face validity" -- if the COP actually appeared to measure what it is supposed to measure. As it is, high scores are not necessarily correlating with what appear on the face of things to be good performances. As Mathman put it in another thread, you shouldn't have to run to check protocols to tell you whether or not someone skated well or poorly. Their general score should be obvious from watching them skate.
So, maybe it is skating that is doomed, although I sure hope not!
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Nice to read that many posters are bringing up the subjective view of figure skating. It's no different than any other performing 'art' form. Ballet, Opera, Teatre all have their pro fans and their con fans. Who sings the best Tosca? Who dances the best Swan Queen? Who plays King Lear best? On top of that there is the media hype what pushes one artist ahead of others. Nothing can be gained from subjectivity.
As I have said many times before, a different panel of judges will come up with their own subjectivity in the PCS scores.
Lambiel, Takahash and Verner have their respective styles. Pick your choice and do it without bringing in nationality.
I would suggest an 80% score for Tech and a 20% score for presentation and forget about all those PCS categories.
Just my opinion
Joe
As I have said many times before, a different panel of judges will come up with their own subjectivity in the PCS scores.
Lambiel, Takahash and Verner have their respective styles. Pick your choice and do it without bringing in nationality.
I would suggest an 80% score for Tech and a 20% score for presentation and forget about all those PCS categories.
Just my opinion
Joe
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Why do you say that about D and D??? They were my favorite at this year's worlds................
That's the thing.. They were great at this year's worlds, but they were also lucky to medal, cos P/T and K/S left the door open for them.. Furthermore, their lack of a triple twist may really cost them. In fact, everyone else in the top 5 this year has a solid triple twist. Even their canadian teamates L/H are constantly attempting them. So I have my doubts that they will medal next year, especially since the competition will get even fiercer as the Olympics draw nearer.
I'll admit it
I'll admit it - I was thinking that Jeff Buttle was doomed - that he'd never equal his Olympic silver medal performance again. I'd say to my husband "Stick a fork in him, he's done".
Boy was I wrong!
I, therefore, will not predict doom for anyone else heretofore.
Linny
I'll admit it - I was thinking that Jeff Buttle was doomed - that he'd never equal his Olympic silver medal performance again. I'd say to my husband "Stick a fork in him, he's done".
Boy was I wrong!
I, therefore, will not predict doom for anyone else heretofore.
Linny
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