Small and Mighty Club

[yuumagical]

Well, I think a good place to start would be determining what constitutes as "tiny." I did some googling and it seems that 5 feet, 9 inches or 1.75 meters is the average height of men in the US and that this height is average among the countries of the world. Can we agree that the small but mighty club members should be at least smaller than that?

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

The question has come up - so how tiny do the guys have to be?
Most are 5ft 5in (1.65m) or less, except for Michael Parsons who is 5ft 7in.
Since you are acting Prez of this enterprise - what say you?

Oh no! I'm not sure

I guess if a skater looks noticibly tiny amongst their peers they're allowed in

Well, I think a good place to start would be determining what constitutes as "tiny." I did some googling and it seems that 5 feet, 9 inches or 1.75 meters is the average height of men in the US and that this height is average among the countries of the world. Can we agree that the small but mighty club members should be at least smaller than that?

Oh, no. 5ft 9in is definitely not small. I'm 5ft 8in, and my family think I am tall! I consider myself more of an average height. Most people in my year at school were around the same height as me.

Personally, I would put the line at 5ft 5in (165cm).

CaroLiza_fan

 

[Ruthypegs]

Oh, no. 5ft 9in is definitely not small. I'm 5ft 8in, and my family think I am tall! I consider myself more of an average height. Most people in my year at school were around the same height as me.

Personally, I would put the line at 5ft 5in (165cm).

CaroLiza_fan

I agree to drawing the line at 5ft 5 inches, 166 cm. It's "Small and Mighty"/"Tiny but Mighty" after all (not "Below Average Height and Mighty"). Edit: I've now realised that this would exclude the Mighty Jean Luc Baker (5 foot 7), so I'm redrawing the line at 5 foot 7......

 

[Magill]

I agree to drawing the line at 5ft 5 inches, 166 cm. It's "Small and Mighty"/"Tiny but Mighty" after all (not "Below Average Height and Mighty"). Edit: I've now realised that this would exclude the Mighty Jean Luc Baker (5 foot 7), so I'm redrawing the line at 5 foot 7......

Not getting into private biases here but 170 cm is nowhere close to tiny, neither is it small, even for men, lol....
This is exactly where "medium height, below average" would start usually.
I'd vote for 166 cm, honestly, but I don't even know if any voting here is allowed

 

[moonvine]

I'm not sure we can kick one of the officers out. Perhaps a special exemption?

Here is Jimmy being tiny and mighty.

 

[Arriba627]

Here is 159cm / 5'2" Shoma (Shomita, Malyshatina) amongst the tall trees. He is tiny! Lombardia podium 2018.

 

[el henry]

I don't consider 5'5" particularly small for a man, and I come from a family of tall people. (As in centers on high school basketball teams tall).

Frankly, particularly in skating, where 5'5" for a singles man is not all *that* small. Michael Parsons???? Where is the shaking head emoji?

Small but mighty are Shoma and Kévin. If you're taller than Kévin, you may be mighty, but you aren't small.

But I have always been a stickler

 

[4everchan]

I don't consider 5'5" particularly small for a man, and I come from a family of tall people. (As in centers on high school basketball teams tall).

Frankly, particularly in skating, where 5'5" for a singles man is not all *that* small. Michael Parsons???? Where is the shaking head emoji?

Small but mighty are Shoma and Kévin. If you're taller than Kévin, you may be mighty, but you aren't small.

But I have always been a stickler

Nathan is 5.6. (just a bit taller than Adam SH FA) I would consider him average for a figure skater in singles.. or just below average in this era of giants.... but definitely not tiny. Chan is almost 5.7 just a bit shorter than Jason who is also almost 5.7
Shoma, at 5,1 almost 5.2 yes.. that is short. Kévin is just above 5.2
Bennet Toman is 5.4 and that is where I would draw the line but it's not my club so i don't have voting rights

Cong Han is almost 5.7 (170cms) he is short for a pairs skater but he is not tiny.
So maybe there should be a category for single skaters and one for pairs/dance skaters...
Corrected : Nathan's height (i can make typos too )

 

[anonymoose_au]

Cong Han is almost 5.7 (170cms) he is short for a pairs skater but he is not tiny.
So maybe there should be a category for single skaters and one for pairs/dance skaters...

For sure!

Also an Extra Super Special Legends category which would include Tamara Moskvina and Alexei Mishin of course. Tamara in particular is teeny, but remains the mightiest.

I just saw Charlene and Marco's RD at Lombardi, haha, Small but Mighty indeed.

But wow, Nathan is only 5ft5? He seems taller on TV...

I wonder are there any ladies in this club? (Aside from Tamara of course) Liza Tuk is quite short, most of the time other skaters on the podium are taller than her (even when she's on the top step ), but yeah Much to ponder.

 

[TT_Fin]

For sure!

Also an Extra Super Special Legends category which would include Tamara Moskvina and Alexei Mishin of course. Tamara in particular is teeny, but remains the mightiest.

I just saw Charlene and Marco's RD at Lombardi, haha, Small but Mighty indeed.

But wow, Nathan is only 5ft5? He seems taller on TV...

I wonder are there any ladies in this club? (Aside from Tamara of course) Liza Tuk is quite short, most of the time other skaters on the podium are taller than her (even when she's on the top step ), but yeah Much to ponder.

ISU BIOS says Liza is 157 cm, I think there are a lot of ladies smaller than that. I think you need to be age limits, perhaps, because people grow, especially men can grow still when they are 18 and grow a little more. 13-17 year old men can grow more than 10 cm in a year, some even 20 cm. Good example is Janna Jyrkinen's profile say she is 153, but that what she was last season and after seeing some fresh pictures Iguess she is at least 160, and she has said in GS interview also that she grew a lot during last summer. (We have autumn now even it is summer temperatures also here at North Europe, don't we?) Maybe in ladies it could about 152/5 feet Converter says 5 inches is 152,4 cm sowould this be good, if ladies allowed?

 

[NanaPat]

Cong Han is almost 5.7 (170cms) he is short for a pairs skater but he is not tiny.
So maybe there should be a category for single skaters and one for pairs/dance skaters...

I agree. I thought that about the earlier discussion of Michael Parsons: he may not be short for a singles skater, but be short for a male ice dancer. Similarly, Trennt Michaud is short for a male pair skater. They are just a tad taller than Cong Han.

 

[4everchan]

I agree. I thought that about the earlier discussion of Michael Parsons: he may not be short for a singles skater, but be short for a male ice dancer. Similarly, Trennt Michaud is short for a male pair skater. They are just a tad taller than Cong Han.

sure but Trennt is 175 cms jus like Mervin Tran Perhaps short for a pairs guy indeed... but still not far being quite average. Adcock is 176cms Dylan is 177cms.
Thierry Ferland at 172cms is closer to Cong Han who is 170cms.

Except for a few giants like Nic Nadeau 186 cms , Eric Radford 188cms or Ben Mimar 193cms, most figure skaters, are short. Just like gymnasts or divers tend to be shorter than the general population.

 

[4everchan]

ISU BIOS says Liza is 157 cm, I think there are a lot of ladies smaller than that. I think you need to be age limits, perhaps, because people grow, especially men can grow still when they are 18 and grow a little more. 13-17 year old men can grow more than 10 cm in a year, some even 20 cm. Good example is Janna Jyrkinen's profile say she is 153, but that what she was last season and after seeing some fresh pictures Iguess she is at least 160, and she has said in GS interview also that she grew a lot during last summer. (We have autumn now even it is summer temperatures also here at North Europe, don't we?) Maybe in ladies it could about 152/5 feet Converter says 5 inches is 152,4 cm sowould this be good, if ladies allowed?

Osmond = 163cms. I remember one year at ACI : she looked like she was a giant compared to many of the other skaters...

Cynthia Phaneuf is even taller at 170 cms... She was brilliant before she grew and became a giant... (kostner = 169cms)

 

[icewhite]

Lol, what a confusing discussion, especially with the inches...
Very difficult to say what constitutes "small" for a figure skater.
Shoma, Yuma, Kevin are small. (all of them around 1,60 I think)
Around 1,70 seems to be a very good size for many sports that require lots of coordination (it's also a good size for a dribbler in soccer for instance), and there are many very good skater of that size, but maybe that's just in the context of how tall people actually are. Maybe on average it's actually better to be 1,60, but there are just less men of that size who take up figure skating.
Skaters of ~1,70 (5ft7): Chen, Hanyu, Kolyada, Stojko, Orser, Browning, Chan, Buttle...
So I guess I would take 1,70 as an average to compare to.

An exact cut off seems difficult to make. And for pairs and ice dance men the "rules" would definitely have to be different. For women too.
I would, comparing to people in my everyday life, probably consider men <1,65 as small. Women... <1,55? But most of the women in figure skating don't seem to be that small, they just look super tiny because they are also so fair and thin. Probably 1,58 would already be small for a female figure skater. ?

One thing I've been thinking about: With more and more quads it might be more advantageous to be small, so we might see more small skaters than before?

 

[synesthesia]

Nathan is 5.5. (just a bit taller than Adam SH FA) I would consider him average for a figure skater in singles.. or just below average in this era of giants.... but definitely not tiny.

But wow, Nathan is only 5ft5? He seems taller on TV...

Dai is 5.5 and Nathan is visibly taller – he looks close to my height of 5.7:

 

[SubRosa]

Some skaters from ages past:

According to Wikipedia, 1964 Olympic pairs silver/bronze medallist Guy Revell was 163 cm (his partner, Debbi Wilkes, is 165 cm).

Can't find an official height for him, but Donald Jackson is noticeably shorter that Brian O (169 cm) and Kurt (170 cm). John Nicks is about the same height as Don.

Would love to know how tall Alexei Mishin is!

 

[TallyT]

I would, comparing to people in my everyday life, probably consider men <1,65 as small. Women... <1,55? But most of the women in figure skating don't seem to be that small, they just look super tiny because they are also so fair and thin. Probably 1,58 would already be small for a female figure skater. ?

I'm 153cm (and the tallest of six sisters, I might add, and both parents were shorter than me, though my brothers are all tall) so pretty much everyone so far is tall to me but then pretty much everyone not related to me is.

 

[4everchan]

Dai is 5.5 and Nathan is visibly taller – he looks close to my height of 5.7:

in this photo, nathan is standing in front and dai is bending forward.
I went with the skaters' own numbers based on their bios...
try to find a picture of patrick who claims to be 5'7 and nathan together and nathan is shorter... of course, they should stand up straight and at the same level
BTW.. typo OUPS sorry.. Nathan is 5.6

 

[synesthesia]

in this photo, nathan is standing in front and dai is bending forward.
I went with the skaters' own numbers based on their bios...
try to find a picture of patrick who claims to be 5'7 and nathan together and nathan is shorter... of course, they should stand up straight and at the same level
BTW.. typo OUPS sorry.. Nathan is 5.6

To me it looks like they're both standing pretty much centered with their respective inner foot on that tape on the ground, while their respective other foot is slightly in front. I give you that Dai is not standing entirely straight though...but he's also wearing his ice dance skates, which in his case have a slightly raised heel (to gain height over Kana).

BTW.. typo OUPS sorry.. Nathan is 5.6

That explains it, he's exactly between Patrick and Dai.




Btw, I vote for Midori Ito for president of the women's "small/tiny and mighty club".

 

[4everchan]

To me it looks like they're both standing pretty much centered with their respective inner foot on that tape on the ground, while their respective other foot is slightly in front. I give you that Dai is not standing entirely straight though...but he's also wearing his ice dance skates, which in his case have a slightly raised heel (to gain height over Kana).




That explains it, he's exactly between Patrick and Dai.




Btw, I vote for Midori Ito for president of the women's "small/tiny and mighty club".

add shoma and now you have my favourite club. Midori, Shoma, Dai, Nathan and Patrick, in ascending (height) order