Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups | Page 247 | Golden Skate

Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

pearly said:
Not sure if you mean 2 years later or 24 hours later. Honestly, I think the final decision came rather quickly after the CAS ruling. I am just surprised they did not go for the redistribution of points.
Click to expand...

I wonder if this was partially done so that Russia would cooperate with the ruling, but it feels shady, and does not seem like a good precedent for future competitions. Would they make this an official amendment to the team competition rules?

I feel bad for the Canadian skaters at 4CC dealing with all of the ups and downs of this on their practice day... so many of them are competing this week there together, it must make for exciting meal time discussions.
 
pearly said:
Not sure if you mean 2 years later or 24 hours later. Honestly, I think the final decision came rather quickly after the CAS ruling. I am just surprised they did not go for the redistribution of points.
Click to expand...
It's the 2 years in limbo, for me. I'm just glad it's over and clear decisions have been made, even though it's probably not what everyone wants.
 
Out of curiosity, has anyone researched how the standings would have been affected if the scores were just added together, like Japan Open? I wonder if just adding the actual scores would make the competitions more exciting, as then the actual performance would matter more. If someone was disqualified, then it would not affect the overall point totals.
 
I presume not everyone will agree with me, but it seems fair to not punish any other athletes of the ROC team, although that wouldn't have surprised me considering that usually the whole team gets disqualified. I am sorry for the Canadian team whom I thought would get the bronze, but at least they didn't miss 'the moment' at the olympics and weren't really expecting anything. I also think the people around Kamilla should receive more than a little scolding because they are the ones who made this possible.
 
Tyranid said:
BTW, wanna let you know that figure skating doesn't have world records (or any sort of records) since the scores are subjective.
Click to expand...
Plus, the scoring system and point values change every couple of years.

I think that Peggy Fleming holds the all-time record for the most number of "points" ever awarded in a figure skating competition -- 1970.5 at the 1968 Olympics.
 
ladyjane said:
I presume not everyone will agree with me, but it seems fair to not punish any other athletes of the ROC team, although that wouldn't have surprised me considering that usually the whole team gets disqualified. I am sorry for the Canadian team whom I thought would get the bronze, but at least they didn't miss 'the moment' at the olympics and weren't really expecting anything. I also think the people around Kamilla should receive more than a little scolding because they are the ones who made this possible.
Click to expand...

The issue is that if they want to just remove Kamila from the scoring, then they need to recalculate the individual points. Basically Kamila's points should fall to 0 and the women all move up one. This would put Russia in 4th and Canada 3rd. Allowing Kamila's score to still be a "placeholder" that affects the event's overall score is wrong. I'm fine with them recalculating the event and not DSQ the whole team, but it has to be recalculated fairly and not in a biased, selective way.
 
ladyjane said:
I presume not everyone will agree with me, but it seems fair to not punish any other athletes of the ROC team, although that wouldn't have surprised me considering that usually the whole team gets disqualified. I am sorry for the Canadian team whom I thought would get the bronze, but at least they didn't miss 'the moment' at the olympics and weren't really expecting anything. I also think the people around Kamilla should receive more than a little scolding because they are the ones who made this possible.
Click to expand...
I actually agree with you. I think after the dust settles I get why they needed legal consultation in the first place- usually if an athlete is found to be positive of doping before the Olympics, they would straight up be banned before participating, but her case is pretty tricky in that the doping test was before the Olympics but the results came out after she has competed at the Olympics.

I think the controversial move is leaving everyone's scores as is after taking hers out- but the end result makes sense because of the nature of individual vs. team competitions. In individual comps the total scores of each individual remained as is, but the final medals are decided by the total scores, so the 2-3-4 moved up to 1-2-3. But in the team event, the "scores" is the points earned by each skater from their placement, and by leaving them alone and not recalculating anything, we get the final result.
 
I think awarding Russia any medal complicates the matter of how and where the medals will be awarded because Russians are still banned.


I am quite satisfied with the 4 year ban. The medal distribution feels like a compromise to keep all parties equally unsatisfied and very random. I do think Russia deserved that medal more than Canada so a part of me is ok with it, It's just that I feel you can't make it so completely random.
 
Last edited:
How is Russia still bronze? W/o her scores shouldn't they be 4th?

There's already precedent that the whole team should be DQed anyway. Weird and inconsistent decision.
 
The official statement of the ROC:

The Russian Olympic Committee will definitely appeal to CAS against the ISU's decision to redistribute the final places of the figure skaters' team tournament at the 2022 Olympic Winter Games in Beijing. Our lawyers have already started preparing the necessary documents for filing an appeal.

We proceed from the fact that in accordance with the current, applicable ISU rules, the consequences of the decision on sanctions against an individual athlete, in this case Kamila Valieva, cannot be the basis for reviewing the results of a team tournament. Our legal position is based, among other things, on the existing precedents in CAS practice.
t.me

Олимпийский комитет России

❗️Официальное заявление ОКР. Олимпийский комитет России совершенно точно будет обжаловать в CAS решение ISU о перераспределении итоговых мест командного турнира фигуристов на Олимпийских зимних играх 2022 года в Пекине. Наши юристы уже начали подготовку необходимых документов для подачи...
t.me t.me
 
pearly said:

ISU Statement - Decision of CAS - Kamila Valieva (ROC) - International Skating Union

The ISU welcomes the decision of CAS and firmly maintains its position that the protection of clean athletes and the fight against doping are of the highest priority and will persist in the ongoing effort to uphold the integrity of fair competition and the well-being of athletes. The ISU...
www.isu.org www.isu.org

USA gold
Japan silver
Russia bronze
Click to expand...
Fair, despite Canada missing out on bronze.
 
Caliban said:
The official statement of the ROC:

The Russian Olympic Committee will definitely appeal to CAS against the ISU's decision to redistribute the final places of the figure skaters' team tournament at the 2022 Olympic Winter Games in Beijing. Our lawyers have already started preparing the necessary documents for filing an appeal.

We proceed from the fact that in accordance with the current, applicable ISU rules, the consequences of the decision on sanctions against an individual athlete, in this case Kamila Valieva, cannot be the basis for reviewing the results of a team tournament. Our legal position is based, among other things, on the existing precedents in CAS practice.
t.me

Олимпийский комитет России

❗️Официальное заявление ОКР. Олимпийский комитет России совершенно точно будет обжаловать в CAS решение ISU о перераспределении итоговых мест командного турнира фигуристов на Олимпийских зимних играх 2022 года в Пекине. Наши юристы уже начали подготовку необходимых документов для подачи...
t.me t.me
Click to expand...
Oh dear, are they doing this on purpose just to punish the other athletes awaiting their medals?

They only removed Kamilas result, they can´t seriously think her results should have stayed just because it was a team event.

They were lucky even to get a bronze medal. With this action I kinda hope they strip them for the bronze medal.
 
norwegianfairytale said:
Oh dear, are they doing this on purpose just to punish the other athletes awaiting their medals?

They only removed Kamilas result, they can´t seriously think her results should have stayed just because it was a team event.

They were lucky even to get a bronze medal. With this action I kinda hope they strip them for the bronze medal.
Click to expand...
Yeah, another unwillingness to accept a generous compromise. I am not surprised.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

gsk8
  • Locked
IOC no longer recommends restrictions on Belarusian athletes’ participation
Replies
16
Views
3K
gsk8
gsk8
gsk8
Update on skaters' ineligibility following an Anti-Doping Rule violation
Replies
5
Views
2K
ice coverage
ice coverage
gsk8
Judge Yuri Balkov (UKR) banned
2
Replies
35
Views
6K
4everchan
4everchan
gsk8
The role of fans in shaping skaters’ careers
7 8 9
Replies
170
Views
18K
SmileHappy34
S
A
PD Test Rules (post change to Follow/Lead Solo)
Replies
2
Views
743
Clarice
C
Back
Top