2023-24 Canadian Figure Skating
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If they nullify Kamila's team points, it isn't just a matter of subtracting 20 points from 74 to get 54 and thus beat Canada (who had a total of 53). If Kamila's results don't count, then it's as though only 9 women competed in the short and 4 women in the FS. Madeline then gets 9 points in the SP (for finishing 2nd behind Wakaba) and 8 points in the FS (for finishing 2nd behind Kaori). Canada gets 56 and gets the Bronze
There's one more possibility. Valieva's points are nullified and all the other women get one more point (because it's as if she didn't skate). In that case, Canada is third and ROC is fourth. If only Valieva is DQd, this is how it should be done. A DQd skater can't place above the other skaters.
I agree with you that DQing entire team is most likely outcome.
We may not know result for a long time. ISU is supposed to issue a statement shortly, but next IOC meeting isn't scheduled until March.
I agree. I think the easiest thing to do is just disqualify the OAR team and not mess around with the points at all, just move the placements up.
While there is a small chance that Russia retains a bronze, I think that scenario is the least likely by far. There's a lot of mental gymnastics you'd have to do to get there and it makes the least amount of sense of all the alternatives.
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recalculating is not something done very often... it's usually D/Q. The question is do they D/Q just her or the whole team. I think the IOC will not want to award a medal to ROC at this point as this case has received already so much attention.
It also seems most consistent with how other team situations have been treated in the past.
Why shouldn't they D/Q the entire team? The US has had track relay teams lose their Olympics medals because one of their sprinters popped hot in a drug test.
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I agree they should D/Q the entire team. There are cases where it hasn't been the case in team sports... never in relays.. but the team event is not a relay. So it's tricky. The ISU has to establish the ranking.. we will see what they do. (per Christine Brennan tweet... it's in the thread about KV news...)
The men at 4CC practice with their skates. Roman will get to make his international season debut 
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Looks like Canada got screwed out of the Bronze medal. They DSQ Kamila but didn't rescore the Women's event which puts Russia in 3rd. This is BS. It's getting really hard to be a fan of this sport with so much corruption all the time. This is going to hurt the team morale with 4CC coming up too. Sigh.
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ISU Statement - Decision of CAS - Kamila Valieva (ROC) - International Skating Union
The ISU welcomes the decision of CAS and firmly maintains its position that the protection of clean athletes and the fight against doping are of the highest priority and will persist in the ongoing effort to uphold the integrity of fair competition and the well-being of athletes. The ISU...
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The ISU's policy blatantly states that skaters move up a placement after an athlete is DSQ. Wakaba Higuchi deserves 10 points for winning the SP segment, not 9 for coming in second over an athlete who was found to have committed a doping violation. They moved athletes up in the individual events, and the team event should be no different. Canada should have won that bronze medal if the ISU actually followed their own rulebook, and I hope that SkateCanada and the Canadian Olympic Committee challenge the decision.
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Skate Canada has responded:
Skate Canada is extremely disappointed with the International Skating Union’s (ISU) position on the long-awaited awarding of medals for the 2022 Beijing Olympic Games Figure Skating Team Competition.
The Court for Arbitration for Sport (CAS) ruled that in addition to a four-year ban from competition, the ban includes “the disqualification [of] all competitive results” achieved by Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva since the positive test. The ISU in its recent decision is not applying Rule 353, which states that “competitors having finished the competition and who initially placed lower than the disqualified competitor will move up accordingly in their placement.”
Skate Canada strongly disagrees with the ISU’s position on this matter and will consider all options to appeal this decision.
https://skatecanada.ca/2024/01/skat...lympic-games-figure-skating-team-competition/
Skate Canada is extremely disappointed with the International Skating Union’s (ISU) position on the long-awaited awarding of medals for the 2022 Beijing Olympic Games Figure Skating Team Competition.
The Court for Arbitration for Sport (CAS) ruled that in addition to a four-year ban from competition, the ban includes “the disqualification [of] all competitive results” achieved by Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva since the positive test. The ISU in its recent decision is not applying Rule 353, which states that “competitors having finished the competition and who initially placed lower than the disqualified competitor will move up accordingly in their placement.”
Skate Canada strongly disagrees with the ISU’s position on this matter and will consider all options to appeal this decision.
https://skatecanada.ca/2024/01/skat...lympic-games-figure-skating-team-competition/
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Dumb attempt at creating a compromise with Russia, that Russia predictably rejected anyway.
Yeah, what a decision. Kind of bizarre really. Think about it: what athlete wants to be a part of a medal ceremony right now with the Russian team? Awkward.
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I have to wonder what steps did Skate Canada take to advocate for their clean athletes prior to this ISU ruling?
The statement they've issued now is correct, but they've done it late and now they have to reverse a standing ruling - rather than getting in front if the issue and standing up for their skaters. They've seemed passive until now, at least publicly.
I love Canadian skaters, and I love my Canadian GS friends, but dang... I'm not impressed with your federation. And that is saying a lot, considering how USFSA has mismanaged some of their issues.
The statement they've issued now is correct, but they've done it late and now they have to reverse a standing ruling - rather than getting in front if the issue and standing up for their skaters. They've seemed passive until now, at least publicly.
I love Canadian skaters, and I love my Canadian GS friends, but dang... I'm not impressed with your federation. And that is saying a lot, considering how USFSA has mismanaged some of their issues.
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What did you want them to do ?
Post ahead of time that they were awaiting their bronze medals ? Before the decision was made ?
Maybe they have made these claim but not openly to the media but directly with the ISU /IOC. There are a lot of things that happen behind the scenes of course.
I don't think they mismanaged this... and I love how they are putting the rulebook right back in their face.
If you move people up, you move them up. You don't select what you move up and what you don't move up. Those who have done this selective moving up of things are the responsible for all the disgruntlement they will get from everyone. I certainly am endorsing an appeal from Skate Canada based on these rules and the non-application of them.
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Is this an ISU ruling or IOC. Bc IOC doesn't needs to follow ISU rules, like their citizenship rule for dance/pairs. It's still a bad move regardless of organization but if it's IOC ruling, ISU doesn't have much say.
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I believe the IOC said they would in this case follow the ISU ruling.
It may be the morally right thing to do to advocate before the ruling, but not the legally right thing to do. Up until the ruling, Skate Canada was likely told by their lawyers that they didn't have a legal leg to stand on. They didn't win any medals and there hadn't been any verdict, so they would have to wait until there was something.
I saw arguments elsewhere about whether or not Canada deserved the bronze based on some of the performances. If they had been advocating for the bronze before the ruling, then it would have been why does Canada deserve the bronze based on X's performance? In this case, they can now argue that they should have the bronze based on how the rules should be applied. They now have something so that they can join the appeal unlike the limbo they were in before.
It would have been nice if they could have advocated before hand, but I'll take them doing the legally right thing if that makes sure that it is settled and the rules are followed.
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I am sad people are even discussing some performances are "not being worthy" of an Olympic medal.
One of the leading nations in relay swimming = USA. Many of these swimmers have never won a medal at worlds or Olympics in their own individual races (some probably have never made the finals, or even been selected to represent the USA) ... only relays (goes for swimmers from other nations too of course)... Yet, these relay swimmers have bundles of fancy medals being the weakest (but still deserving) link of their strong team. That's the whole point of a team event. Just back track 4 years, the Russian men blew it... should they not receive their silver from the team event ? Why are people focusing on Roman? It upsets me terribly. He did his best. He was not supposed to compete there. He was not ready mentally to take the heat. Give the boy a break.
One of the leading nations in relay swimming = USA. Many of these swimmers have never won a medal at worlds or Olympics in their own individual races (some probably have never made the finals, or even been selected to represent the USA) ... only relays (goes for swimmers from other nations too of course)... Yet, these relay swimmers have bundles of fancy medals being the weakest (but still deserving) link of their strong team. That's the whole point of a team event. Just back track 4 years, the Russian men blew it... should they not receive their silver from the team event ? Why are people focusing on Roman? It upsets me terribly. He did his best. He was not supposed to compete there. He was not ready mentally to take the heat. Give the boy a break.
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