2023-24 Canadian Figure Skating

[kenboy123]

well... i am going there with the intention of witnessing both.... even if I am setting myself up for disappointment

Well...I feel like one of those definitely has the higher chance of happening...even if C/B do retire, G/P will probably never become world champion even if they do stay on, especially if P/C actually do come back...but maybe a long absence will end up being a disadvantage since every year you are supposed to be building..

 

[kenboy123]

Like to see both those things happen but can't see Chock and Bates not winning worlds again. I mean last year they even won with errors and a fall! Where one little misstep by Piper and Paul and they drop!
Deanna and Max seen to come out strong at the beginning of the season and then start to have errors in the big events as the season goes along. But if they skate 2 clean programs I agree, they are the ones to beat.

They would have won Worlds had it not been for the very unfortunate injury and surgery in the middle of the season...as it matter of fact, they probably would have "ran the table"... but some people just get all the bad luck...and that might have been their only chance, their injury and surgery allowed C/B to move ahead of them and stay there as ice dance results usually never stray away from the expected results...

 

[Sackie]

If Maddie has her best skates at worlds and does make the top 10, do you think Skate Canada starts sending out other ladies to more events? Cause at this point even if she earned 2 spots we have no one else to fill that spot. And even if one does get their mins they would still be relatively unknown on the world stage. And they could then end up like Conrad did last year and not make the Free simple because they are not known or prepared for a big event.

 

[kenboy123]

If Maddie has her best skates at worlds and does make the top 10, do you think Skate Canada starts sending out other ladies to more events? Cause at this point even if she earned 2 spots we have no one else to fill that spot. And even if one does get their mins they would still be relatively unknown on the world stage. And they could then end up like Conrad did last year and not make the Free simple because they are not known or prepared for a big event.

Kaiya Ruiter could maybe do it???...

 

[saine]

Maybe? They're bringing back the qualifying rounds next season for Worlds, so that adds another layer to it as well.

I would like to see them being more strategic in sending out skaters (men and women). If someone is low in the standings, then get them out more to the smaller competitions where they could pick up the points that they need. I don't like the rankings being used for start orders in any competition, but it's the game that has to be played.

 

[4everchan]

gosh.. i hated the qualifying rounds in the past... i hope it's not exactly the same format... (retaining points from the qualifying rounds....) have the rules been shared already ? I guess they have but since I am dreading them so much I didn't look lol

 

[saine]

I don't think they have, they'll probably be shared after Worlds when the spots have been determined and TES requirements are made.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

gosh.. i hated the qualifying rounds in the past... i hope it's not exactly the same format... (retaining points from the qualifying rounds....) have the rules been shared already ? I guess they have but since I am dreading them so much I didn't look lol

The general rules (apart from specific TES minimums) are included in this document, together with the currently applicable rules (Rule 376, Rule 378).

Points won't carry over from the qualification round to the championship rounds, but that was also already the case the last time we had qualification rounds (2010-11, 2011-12), as, like back then, not everyone will be skating the qualification rounds (24 singles skaters each, 16 pairs and 20 ice dance teams will be direct entries into the Championship Round).

 

[4everchan]

The general rules (apart from specific TES minimums) are included in this document, together with the currently applicable rules (Rule 376, Rule 378).

Points won't carry over from the qualification round to the championship rounds, but that was also already the case the last time we had qualification rounds (2010-11, 2011-12), as, like back then, not everyone will be skating the qualification rounds (24 singles skaters each, 16 pairs and 20 ice dance teams will be direct entries into the Championship Round).

Thanks.. I will have a look. Funny as, though I am a Chan fan, I didn't have much time to follow skating in the early 2010s... so I remembered years before. I will read those now.

 

[saine]

The general rules (apart from specific TES minimums) are included in this document, together with the currently applicable rules (Rule 376, Rule 378).

Points won't carry over from the qualification round to the championship rounds, but that was also already the case the last time we had qualification rounds (2010-11, 2011-12), as, like back then, not everyone will be skating the qualification rounds (24 singles skaters each, 16 pairs and 20 ice dance teams will be direct entries into the Championship Round).

That Combined TES mentioned in rule 378 paragraph 4 is interesting I'm interested to see how it works out, since it may solve the TES issues for the Canadian women.

 

[4everchan]

ok.. read it fast... I doubt we will see qualifying rounds in pairs then

 

[4everchan]

That Combined TES mentioned in rule 378 paragraph 4 is interesting I'm interested to see how it works out, since it may solve the TES issues for the Canadian women.

Yeah... it confused me too... but then, I decided to read it as combined SP min needed + LP min needed I am probably wrong

 

[Jumping_Bean]

That Combined TES mentioned in rule 378 paragraph 4 is interesting I'm interested to see how it works out, since it may solve the TES issues for the Canadian women.

Or maybe not - I trust the Canadian women more to have a good SP and a good FS at separate competitions but it seems like the total TES has to be achieved in one competition?

Either way, the TES minimums will certainly be lowered, which is much more likely to help the Canadian women in the end.

 

[4everchan]

Or maybe not - I trust the Canadian women more to have a good SP and a good FS at separate competitions but it seems like the total TES has to be achieved in one competition?

Either way, the TES minimums will certainly be lowered, which is much more likely to help the Canadian women in the end.

well it will help all women who need it ... but in some ways, if the TES mins are lowered, it will just give more excuses to Skate Canada not to send the women out.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

Yeah... it confused me too... but then, I decided to read it as combined SP min needed + LP min needed I am probably wrong

Seems like three separate minimums - SP, FS, and Combined TES of SP+FS at one competition (most likely). I'm guessing it will be possible to achieve all three minimums separately, depending on how high the Combines TES minimum is.

ok.. read it fast... I doubt we will see qualifying rounds in pairs then

There are like 25 pairs who will likely be at this year's Worlds (based on TES minimums & spots per country), so even if not all of them compete next season, I doubt we'll have only 16 or fewer pairs

 

[4everchan]

Seems like three separate minimums - SP, FS, and Combined TES of SP+FS at one competition (most likely). I'm guessing it will be possible to achieve all three minimums separately, depending on how high the Combines TES minimum is.


There are like 25 pairs who will likely be at this year's Worlds (based on TES minimums & spots per country), so even if not all of them compete next season, I doubt we'll have only 16 or fewer pairs

well, i read that there would be 16 direct entries in pairs, and then 8 would be able to qualify but that if there is only 1 or 2 entries over the quota (24 in this case) they may not hold the qualifying round and let everyone in... so 25 would mean that, wouldn't it ?

 

[RatedPG]

I really do hope that Maddie peaks at Worlds. Her SB for her SP and FP total 200+. Just like she did at the Olympics team event. With two spots, Canada will be forced to send their senior ladies to more international events to decide on the second spot.

Sara-Maude performed so well at 4CC (better than domestically). It is nice to see our skaters shine at international events. I didn’t think she had a 170+ skate in her, this season. She beat Lindsay and almost beat Elyce.

I’m still waiting for them to send out Fee Ann and Audreanne Foster… and still don’t understand why Matthew Neuman (5th at Nationals) is sent out, while Fee Ann (also, 5th at Nationals, but won the Challenger event) is at home. Is it cause she already competed at a Junior event? Does she have to wait an entire year, just to go to one international event? Sigh…

 

[Jumping_Bean]

well, i read that there would be 16 direct entries in pairs, and then 8 would be able to qualify but that if there is only 1 or 2 entries over the quota (24 in this case) they may not hold the qualifying round and let everyone in... so 25 would mean that, wouldn't it ?

True, but with lower TES scores, there are likely to be more pairs who can go to Worlds too. Though depending on how the placements play out this season, possibly also fewer from some countries despite having TES minimums.

And I wouldn't bet on the ISU not insisting on the qualifying rounds even if it's just one more pair, not with one more pair meaning an additional warm-up group in the SP (24 pairs are exactly 6 groups).

 

[4everchan]

True, but with lower TES scores, there are likely to be more pairs who can go to Worlds too. Though depending on how the placements play out this season, possibly also fewer from some countries despite having TES minimums.

And I wouldn't bet on the ISU not insisting on the qualifying rounds even if it's just one more pair, not with one more pair meaning an additional warm-up group in the SP (24 pairs are exactly 6 groups).

so we agree i read it right but that the ISU does whatever they want with their rules like in rule 353

 

[Jumping_Bean]

so we agree i read it right but that the ISU does whatever they want with their rules like in rule 353

I could literally see the ISU raising the TES minimums if it looks like only one more pair than 24 will get them for Worlds just so that they don't feel obliged to hold a qualifying round