Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[saine]

Not sure where she is pulling this information from, but per the IOC's own reallocation process, this should be impossible.

Not only do all legal remedies have to be exhausted before a medal reallocation is able to officially happen, medals can only be reallocated at the same type of Olympic games (i.e. Summer Olympic medals at Summer Olympics and Winter Olympic medals at Winter Olympics), if the reallocation ceremony at the next Olympic games is the option chosen by the affected athletes.

I don't think she'd report something like this if it wasn't correct. Having a specific date and location makes me think there's truth to this.

She reported the gold medal allocation to the US team before it was announced by the ISU. She has sources that I think are reliable. If this was false, it would be a blow to her journalistic reputation.

 

[el henry]

What does, "with CAS appeals, who knows", mean?

Some sort of provisional made up date, because does anyone think CAS appeals will be decided by August? Why would they have a ceremony without the bronze medalists, which of course should be Canada?

Granted, I wouldn't trust Christine Brennan to tell me the sun rose in the East, so I may be biased.

 

[yuumagical]

yeah.. that's very strange... let's forget about Canada for one minute but with 3 appeals from ROC, how could they award these medals to USA and JPN until the appeals have been heard and dealt with ? She does say " will it happen with CAS appeals" in her posts... So I guess she knows it's not even possible and just sharing non-sense ?

Perhaps there's a possibility that the appeals will be resolved by then. It's interesting that she didn't mention the Canadian or Russian skaters, meaning that only gold and silver are likely to be awarded in the event of a medal ceremony in Paris.

Although, another plausible factor for having the medal ceremony here instead of Milan would be the general publicity that the lack of figure skating Olympic team medals has gotten. This case has broken precedents in many ways, and I wouldn't be surprised if one more precedent were broken just to get this issue off of the chest of the IOC and ISU. I am selfishly hoping that this will be the case.

 

[lariko]

Imo, the focus of the discussion around doping should stay focused on avoiding the substances that are forbidden or substances that when combined may metabolite into a forbidden substance, rather than an esoteric musings about why one would be taking a supplement that is permitted. If one side stops blaming the other for thing they ain't doing wrong, and the other stops trying to justify things that they are doing wrong, it would be so much better.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

I don't think she'd report something like this if it wasn't correct. Having a specific date and location makes me think there's truth to this.

She reported the gold medal allocation to the US team before it was announced by the ISU. She has sources that I think are reliable. If this was false, it would be a blow to her journalistic reputation.

She gave herself an easy way out with this tweet though - If it doesn't end up happening, she can say that it's not because the information is wrong, it's because the CAS verdict hasn't come in.

You can read about the Reallocation process yourself here. I am not sure the IOC wants to open itself up for more legal action by not following the procedures to a T, but maybe they'll just change the rules, wouldn't be the first organisation to do so, lol.
There's also a public list of medal reallocation ceremonies taking place as part of the Paris Olympics, and those will take place on the 9th of August.

Like, sure, I'd be happy for the skaters to get their medals now and at the Olympics, but I'm not sure that can happen.

 

[4everchan]

Well.. think of it this way : how disappointing would it be for the third place team to receive their medals in a random alley while the top two teams received theirs at Paris games.. I'd prefer that the ceremony happens when a final decision is made and that all athletes get their medals together.

 

[SmileHappy34]

If true it will be nice but isn't August 7 the end of the Summer Olympics.
As some have stated shouldn't have they wait for the appeal from Canada decision came in or is everything decided?

Since it been a long time I am confused about it
I am happy for the athletes that get it medals (United States and Japan);

She mentioned gold and silver not bronze.

Not sure where she is pulling this information from, but per the IOC's own reallocation process, this should be impossible.

Not only do all legal remedies have to be exhausted before a medal reallocation is able to officially happen, medals can only be reallocated at the same type of Olympic games (i.e. Summer Olympic medals at Summer Olympics and Winter Olympic medals at Winter Olympics), if the reallocation ceremony at the next Olympic games is the option chosen by the affected athletes.

 

[saine]

She gave herself an easy way out with this tweet though - If it doesn't end up happening, she can say that it's not because the information is wrong, it's because the CAS verdict hasn't come in.

You can read about the Reallocation process yourself here. I am not sure the IOC wants to open itself up for more legal action by not following the procedures to a T, but maybe they'll just change the rules completely.
There's also a public list of medal reallocation ceremonies taking place as part of the Paris Olympics, and those will take place on the 9th of August.

Like, sure, I'd be happy for the skaters to get their medals now and at the Olympics, but I'm not sure that can happen.

I haven't had a chance to read the rules yet, but I trust what you're saying about them. Given how high profile the case is, I'd be surprised if they threw the rules out to have the ceremony. There's a good reason why the ISU and IOC aren't returning her emails asking for comment about a legal matter and she knows it.

But it is so weird to tweet out a specific date and location out of nothing and add in a way to back out of what she posted. It's being reposted by other figure skating sites now, and I noticed a reporter for Radio-Canada quoting it. USA Today Sports reposted it, so they're standing behind her news. I can't see her making it up completely as a journalist.

Either way, it's weird for me whether she's making it up or the rules aren't being followed exactly for giving out the medals.

 

[SmileHappy34]

Another thing puzzles me about date .
I wonder why either the IOC, US skating federation, ISU didn't post the date. Or even Japan Skating federation.. I wonder why came in a tweet from a reporter. She is nice knowledgable.
I am curious why not from an official source.

 

[FlossieH]

Well.. think of it this way : how disappointing would it be for the third place team to receive their medals in a random alley while the top two teams received theirs at Paris games.. I'd prefer that the ceremony happens when a final decision is made and that all athletes get their medals together.

With rearranged medal ceremonies, there is no requirement for all countries involved to agree to the same arrangements. The third placed team is currently Russia. It might suit Putin's narrative better to have a separate medal ceremony. Just think how much propaganda he could generate from a medal ceremony at somewhere like the Kremlin - he could do the 'mean West is excluding us' and 'look how great Russia is' narratives at the same time with that arrangement. A ceremony at the Olympics would not fit the first of those so easily.

 

[4everchan]

With rearranged medal ceremonies, there is no requirement for all countries involved to agree to the same arrangements. The third placed team is currently Russia. It might suit Putin's narrative better to have a separate medal ceremony. Just think how much propaganda he could generate from a medal ceremony at somewhere like the Kremlin - he could do the 'mean West is excluding us' and 'look how great Russia is' narratives at the same time with that arrangement. A ceremony at the Olympics would not fit the first of those so easily.

Sure but when we only think about the athletes , no matter who it ends up being, I think it would be nicer to have a full podium... Even for USA and Japan... Do they need to be reminded that there is still conflict about the third spot? This ceremony is already so not normal, let's not make it worse with a partial one

 

[Ziotic]

Sure but when we only think about the athletes , no matter who it ends up being, I think it would be nicer to have a full podium... Even for USA and Japan... Do they need to be reminded that there is still conflict about the third spot? This ceremony is already so not normal, let's not make it worse with a partial one

It’s not just the third spot, Russia appealed still wanting gold.

 

[4everchan]

It’s not just the third spot, Russia appealed still wanting gold.

Yup. Aware of that but when they say the gold and silver are already given
..

 

[saine]

The Russian appeals will be heard on Wednesday, the Canadian appeal will have a date finalized soon.



So that looks to be the thinking behind the August 7th date for gold and silver medals.

 

[el henry]

Interesting. They have decisions on appeals way faster at CAS than in "regular" courts, at least in the US, if a June hearing leads to a dismissal by August.

Good for them if they move that fast!

 

[4everchan]

Interesting. They have decisions on appeals way faster at CAS than in "regular" courts, at least in the US, if a June hearing leads to a dismissal by August.

Good for them if they move that fast!

it could take a while to make a final decision At least, with ROC's appeals going first, then it will be up to Canadian lawyers to make their case after the ruling of those ROC appeals is done... The opposite wouldn't make sense

But still, two months seems like a short time to confirm the podium and a partial ceremony doesn't make me happy.

 

[saine]

it could take a while to make a final decision At least, with ROC's appeals going first, then it will be up to Canadian lawyers to make their case after the ruling of those ROC appeals is done... The opposite wouldn't make sense

But still, two months seems like a short time to confirm the podium and a partial ceremony doesn't make me happy.

I'd like the optimism of whoever is planning a medal ceremony in less than two months on the hope that the Russian appeals are dismissed in that time

 

[Diana Delafield]

I'd like the optimism of whoever is planning a medal ceremony in less than two months on the hope that the Russian appeals are dismissed in that time

The revised medal ceremony for pairs in 2002 was planned in hours, but of course the four skaters were already there. For this to happen, they'd have to allow time to gather all the involved skaters from various parts of the world, with proper travel papers, etc etc etc .

 

[saine]

From the ISU Congress, proposed date from CAS for the Canadian appeal is July 22, 2024.

(Also good for all the parties for getting their appeals in, the Austrian representative is not happy with the decisions in one case but didn't get the appeal in, so the decision is now final for the ISU.)

 

[saine]

CAS hearing for the Canadian appeal confirmed for July 22.