Sui was not even on the athletes' register that was released earlier in June. Athletes' registration has to be renewed yearly by their representative provincial team or club, and is required to take part in competitions. Both Sui and Han were missing from this year's list. It should be noted that there are skaters who are long retired still on the register because most teams/club automatically renew all their skaters unless told otherwise, so this means that Sui and Han both asked to be removed from the list.
Is Wenjing Sui looking for a new partner?
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How could you have ever thought that Wenjing Sui did not like 'the pressure of competing'?? Sui ate 'pressure' for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. She is one fierce competitor and then some. The lady took no prisoners when it came to competing to win.
Sui & Han hung on by a thread for another four years with injuries to win Olympic gold. Most of that knife-edge holding on was fueled by Sui's huge drive, energy, focus and desire. That is, in part, proven in how Han is now retired and Sui still wants to compete. She is giving Aljona Savchenko vibes. Never wants to stop competing, against any and all odds.
For sure it is impossible to tell athletes what they can and can't do, though. Still, in her last competitive seasons, Sui struggled with a foot injury and landing her salchow was difficult as a result. But the fierce desire to compete clearly has not left her heart. This is a big reason why the sport erred greatly in killing professional competitions for fear that the pros would over-shadow eligible skaters. It was silly to think that way, when both competitive arenas would have fed each other.
BTW, it is not a good idea to make assumptions about skaters' personalities, desires, and motivations by merely observing their facial expressions and interactions in the kiss-n-cry. Seeing their performances over their career, hearing their words and seeing the adversities they overcome are better measures of tireless competitive drive.
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BTW, the name 'Wenjing Sui' means 'quiet, gentle commander-in-chief who complies' with authority. In Sui's case, it means: 'Fierce Warrior who Defies Defeat'.
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I know this was meant in humour, but just in case anyone is wondering, the characters in her given name mean 'literate/civilised' and 'peaceful'. I guess it sort of resembles the meaning you gave except there is nothing about compliance or being commanding.
The character for the surname Sui has archaic origins and doesn't mean anything in modern Chinese beyond being the name of the Sui dynasty (it's the one preceding Tang).
On a side note Han Cong is nicknamed 'spring onion brother' by Chinese fans because 'cong' is a homophone for the vegetable. His name actually means 'intelligent'. His surname is the name for Korea as well as several historical Chinese kingdoms.
Unfortunately I know a lot less about Chinese skating than linguistics...
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I don't think she would be as successful with anyone else. Han often carried her as he was usually rock solid on the SBS jumps, whereas they were always a problem for her (especially the 3S).
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Thank you. I meant it partly humorously, but mostly seriously.
Your knowledge and input are appreciated. Honestly, though, there are always various derivations and origins listed for given names and for surnames in every culture. According to the Internet sources I checked, "Sui Wenjing is an athlete whose name translates to: 'High Mountain; Flowing Water' ... from Chinese wén, meaning: 'literature, culture, writing', combined with several different Chinese characters for 'jìng/ jīng/' et al, variously meaning: 'quiet, still, gentle; peaceful, tranquil; scenery, view; glass, mirror; capital city', etc."
Another source indicates that 'sui' can have a variety of meanings, in different Chinese dialects. For example: In Cantonese: "handsome, graceful, smart, commander-in-chief; cool, sweet." In Mandarin: "to follow; to comply with." The latter source for, 'sui', is apparently not approaching this from archaic surname origins, nor from the standpoint of a 'modern Sui dynasty'.
You know a great deal more about Chinese linguistics than I do. However, I have an interest in linguistics, languages and cultures, and I have taken some general linguistics courses. In my long ago professional career, I was once involved in researching word derivations.
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Her surname is 隋 (specifically the dynasty) not 随 (to follow). It is also Mandarin (Cantonese isn't spoken in her area of China).Thank you. I meant it partly humorously, but mostly seriously.
Your knowledge and input are appreciated. Honestly, though, there are always various derivations and origins listed for given names and for surnames in every culture. According to the Internet sources I checked, "Sui Wenjing is an athlete whose name translates to: 'High Mountain; Flowing Water' ... from Chinese wén, meaning: 'literature, culture, writing', combined with several different Chinese characters for 'jìng/ jīng/' et al, variously meaning: 'quiet, still, gentle; peaceful, tranquil; scenery, view; glass, mirror; capital city', etc."
Another source indicates that 'sui' can have a variety of meanings, in different Chinese dialects. For example: In Cantonese: "handsome, graceful, smart, commander-in-chief; cool, sweet." In Mandarin: "to follow; to comply with." The latter source for, 'sui', is apparently not approaching this from archaic surname origins, nor from the standpoint of a 'modern Sui dynasty'.
You know a great deal more about Chinese linguistics than I do. However, I have an interest in linguistics, languages and cultures, and I have taken some general linguistics courses. In my long ago professional career, I was once involved in researching word derivations.
Chinese is highly homophonic and has a logographic writing system so it's virtually impossible to translate accurately without knowing the characters, especially without tonal diacritics. Names are very literal and cannot be easily borrowed from other languages as English does.
I've seen enough people walking around with questionable tattoos (either non sequiturs or flat out typos) to realise that internet sources have a lot to answer for. That includes a relative of mine, who unfortunately had not consulted another branch of the family for 'proof-reading' beforehand...
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I have this feeling too, especially considering her history of injuries. However, if she does return maybe she wouldn't necessarily be looking to replicate past successes. Chinese pairs skating is currently not as strong as it's been (although there are a lot of young teams with potential, if they manage to stay together for a hot second) so they could do with having some more experienced athletes besides Peng/Wang. Another possibility is that she might be training for shows - pros will often actively maintain a couple of triples for as long as they can. New dance/pair partnerships can also be established specifically for shows. Let's wait and see...
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Of course. That's why I said it's from the Internet, which is obviously not a definitive source.
For sure, Chinese is a complex language, and the written characters make it even more complicated. Respectfully, the meanings for 'Wenjing' track, albeit there are different characters with various meanings for 'jing.' I am not sure about the characters she uses for her given name, but I see what you posted initially and it tracks with the meanings I selected to use in my initial post, which was not intended to be an official declaration.
As you've indicated the characters used for her particular surname refer to the Sui dynasty, which does not have a specific meaning, fine. Not a big deal. To me, Wenjing Sui is a Fierce Warrior!
As much as I love languages, I have never had the urge to tackle Chinese, in large part due to the tonal variations having different meanings. I love the written characters. I have learned a bit of Spanish and French but I am not fluent. I found German to be extremely difficult in college, mostly because I unfortunately had a terrible teacher. I have taken a bit of Arabic which I love. Learning the written Arabic alphabet is challenging, but the pronunciation is fun because the tongue is placed so differently in the mouth than for English and most Romance languages.
I would love to learn Russian and Japanese because there are so many skaters of those heritages in figure skating. I have a young relative who loves Japan and has lived near Tokyo for a number of years, teaching and attending an arts university.
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Why would you think she will not be as successful with a new partner?
What about Aliona Savchenko? She has success with different partners
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Watching this training session, I can't help remembering reading a description of Shen and Zhao's early pairs training in the early 1990s, on an outdoor rink in Harbin. Scraped of snow and surfaced by hand (and very seldom) in sub-zero weather, with them bundled in thick layers of clothing. Facilities in China have come a very long way!
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And one definitely should not make assumptions based upon their names and what it means lol. I guess we will see how this all played out but they barely if not controversially won OGM But the Chinese system is often state nation driven so she may be encouraged to compete and China doesn't exactly have top teams right now even without Russia and a weakened Canada. With Deanna competing maybe divas like Aliona, Megan will come back? Deanna is older than them all.How could you have ever thought that Wenjing Sui did not like 'the pressure of competing'?? Sui ate 'pressure' for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. She is one fierce competitor and then some. The lady took no prisoners when it came to competing to win.
Sui & Han hung on by a thread for another four years with injuries to win Olympic gold. Most of that knife-edge holding on was fueled by Sui's huge drive, energy, focus and desire. That is, in part, proven in how Han is now retired and Sui still wants to compete. She is giving Aljona Savchenko vibes. Never wants to stop competing, against any and all odds.
For sure it is impossible to tell athletes what they can and can't do, though. Still, in her last competitive seasons, Sui struggled with a foot injury and landing her salchow was difficult as a result. But the fierce desire to compete clearly has not left her heart. This is a big reason why the sport erred greatly in killing professional competitions for fear that the pros would over-shadow eligible skaters. It was silly to think that way, when both competitive arenas would have fed each other.
BTW, it is not a good idea to make assumptions about skaters' personalities, desires, and motivations by merely observing their facial expressions and interactions in the kiss-n-cry. Seeing their performances over their career, hearing their words and seeing the adversities they overcome are better measures of tireless competitive drive.
ETA:
BTW, the name 'Wenjing Sui' means 'quiet, gentle commander-in-chief who complies' with authority. In Sui's case, it means: 'Fierce Warrior who Defies Defeat'.
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A weakened Canada, which actually has the world champions... oh well. I guess it's never good enough.
Let's not forget that Deanna had a 17 year long break which meant that during that time, she was not putting any stress on her body, unlike Meagan and Aliona. Meagan would not have returned to competition/nor even do shows with Radford so why would she now ? With whom ? David Pelletier ? (Might as well play this game for real)
Let's see what happens with Sui. i have no idea about her partner, never heard of him. She was so good with Cong that it's hard to imagine her being good with someone else ( I think with some skaters, like Meagan or Aliona since they have been brought up in this thread, it's easy to imagine they could do well with someone else, while with others, like Sui, it is harder to imagine) In any case, I wish her all the best.
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Meagan just mentioned on TSL that she is considering competing in an Adult Skaters' competition. No mention of pairs. It was interesting to hear her say she now has all her doubles back.except for the 2A. She has her spins up to Level 2.
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Yes but ask her if she ever wants to be twisted again
Meagan competed as a single skater even on the JGP. I think she even has hardware to her name. She won JGP France and placed 5th at the JGPF exactly 20 years ago I think competing as an adult at her own pace is a very different thing than coming back to the elite side of the sport, and in pairs
Gary Beacom still competes btw
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I was just having fun but if Meagan came back and it appears she not she will just try possibly adult skating as per TSL that David would skate with his wife - Ekaterina Gordeeva
