It so bad that Sarah is listed twice once at the top with the number she got at Cranberry Cup this year and again near the bottom with the score with she got at last year's Cranberry Cup numbers. I looks like the ISU can not figure out what marks to use here.
2024-25 Grand Prix assignments: Updated 11/12/24
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I´m confused. It really seems the alternate list ISU published is no mistake after all? Because it seems Sarahs win at the Challengers series ranked her according to her score, which put her on the top of the list after Cranberry, but ISU announcement document says it should be bottom ranked according to the score 
I (and others) thought it meant she would be put on the bottom of the alternates list, but be ranked according to the score, meaning if there would be more Challengers winners they would be ranked against each another based on the score.
Not surprised to see this outcome based on the alternate document they published, but confused how they basically don´t seem to follow their own wording. Or did we all misunderstand?
Honestly, i´m not sure how I feel about this, happy for Everhardt, but I feel bad for Lin-Gracey maybe ending up with zero spot. People say that she probably will get Skam, but Idk. I think Everhardt probably could end up with both. It´s not like USFS had something to do with this, that it was some kind of agreement that Lin-Gracey got Skam and would turn down Finlandia so that Everhardt got it, if Lin-Gracey had declined the spot it should have gone to the next person on the list, Seniuk. Everhardt was probably offered the spot first, and USFS can´t really base their TBD spot on that Everhardt already got one spot if they think she is more entitled to it based on her results?
This move from ISU also kind of diminish the whole change of rule that spots should now be given to the next in line and not be picked randomly from the top 10 SB. Because according to ISUs alternate list, it doesn´t even seem that you need to win a Challenger to be put on the list and ranked based on that score, as long as your score is better than those on the alternates list. Jimmy Ma is ranked nr. 3 on the alternate list with his score from Cranberry Cup, despite placing as nr. 3.
As an example that would basically mean that any women without a GP spot/only one spot posting a score at the upcoming Challengers above Maria Seniuks 175 points would go ahead of her on the alternate list, which is not entirely unlikely. So Seniuk despite being ranked as nr. 2 on the list for a long time might never end up with a spot despite a lot of spots being replaced. And those longer down the list never will stand a chance.
However, for those who do well at Challengers and doesn´t already have a spot, will have a good chance of a last minute spot if they post a high enough score.
I (and others) thought it meant she would be put on the bottom of the alternates list, but be ranked according to the score, meaning if there would be more Challengers winners they would be ranked against each another based on the score.Not surprised to see this outcome based on the alternate document they published, but confused how they basically don´t seem to follow their own wording. Or did we all misunderstand?
Honestly, i´m not sure how I feel about this, happy for Everhardt, but I feel bad for Lin-Gracey maybe ending up with zero spot. People say that she probably will get Skam, but Idk. I think Everhardt probably could end up with both. It´s not like USFS had something to do with this, that it was some kind of agreement that Lin-Gracey got Skam and would turn down Finlandia so that Everhardt got it, if Lin-Gracey had declined the spot it should have gone to the next person on the list, Seniuk. Everhardt was probably offered the spot first, and USFS can´t really base their TBD spot on that Everhardt already got one spot if they think she is more entitled to it based on her results?
This move from ISU also kind of diminish the whole change of rule that spots should now be given to the next in line and not be picked randomly from the top 10 SB. Because according to ISUs alternate list, it doesn´t even seem that you need to win a Challenger to be put on the list and ranked based on that score, as long as your score is better than those on the alternates list. Jimmy Ma is ranked nr. 3 on the alternate list with his score from Cranberry Cup, despite placing as nr. 3.
As an example that would basically mean that any women without a GP spot/only one spot posting a score at the upcoming Challengers above Maria Seniuks 175 points would go ahead of her on the alternate list, which is not entirely unlikely. So Seniuk despite being ranked as nr. 2 on the list for a long time might never end up with a spot despite a lot of spots being replaced. And those longer down the list never will stand a chance.
However, for those who do well at Challengers and doesn´t already have a spot, will have a good chance of a last minute spot if they post a high enough score.
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@norwegianfairytale I think Elyce-Lin Gracey will probably get the TBD spot at Skate America now, unless she gets something elsewhere via a withdrawal. She seems to be one of USFSs favoured skaters the past couple of seasons (and Sarah hasn't been) and I don't think they will leave her without anything. If Elyce gets spots elsewhere, I would expect the TBD spot at Skate America to go to Starr Andrews as USFS always seem to try to ensure she has a spot.
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I´m not sure how long they can wait though with giving the TBD spot in case Elyce gets another spot from WD? I´m not sure there will be much more to replace before the first GP starts. She will depend on WD at the right stages because US is maxed out in 3 events now. But you might be right that Elyce might be a favorite to Skate America.
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My personal opinion is that they changed that rule in practice many years ago, but just never bothered to change the written rule.I´m confused. It really seems the alternate list ISU published is no mistake after all? Because it seems Sarahs win at the Challengers series ranked her according to her score, which put her on the top of the list after Cranberry, but ISU announcement document says it should be bottom ranked according to the score
Not surprised to see this outcome based on the alternate document they published, but confused how they basically don´t seem to follow their own wording. Or did we all misunderstand?
Kaetlyn Osmond won the Nebelhorn Trophy in 2012 but did not get a second assignment despite withdrawals when the same rule (i.e. bottom ranked according to their scores) was in place on paper. Her score would have placed her 13th on the 2011/12 season's best list, so also very high on the replacement list if the rule hadn't been followed I assume.
In 2022/23, on the other hand, Rinka didn't just get one, but even two assignments after winning Lombardia Trophy. The replacement list was shorter than often before, but I'm fairly sure there would have been more than ten women ahead of her if she had been bottom ranked at the time.
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That sounds plausible. Well at least we don´t have to wonder anymore how they practice this rule, so Challenger winners will be easier to predict on the alternates list in the future. It will be interesting to see if they keep updating the list after the upcoming Challengers, which might give us some more details into if the others skaters at Challengers will be put on the list if they produce a high enough score, regardless of placement. And if they will remove the skaters who aren´t age eligible and/or is doing JGP.
I wonder if this must feel confusing for the skaters themselves reading the rules but ISU not bothering to update how they actually practice the rules? They are the ones affected by this. I wonder if the list they published is something that the skaters get access to every year so that they don´t get confused about skaters going above them.
Also there may be another factor in play as well. Her coaches are Ilia parents. I think in Sarah case the main coach is Ilia mother a person that can make Ilia very nervous and he does not like when she is there when he competing. Also it might be that they do not want to have two skaters in same event at the same time because they may not be able to give each skater enough attention especially Sarah who is going to be competing at this level for the first time so they may have asked for her to placed another event that Ilia is not in so they can take care of her.
I know that they going to CS event all together but the stakes are not as high. If Ilia bombs Lombardia he can easily recover with little real harm done if does the same at Skate America it could be a huge problem because he needs to make GPF and get set up for worlds to get the bounce for 2026 Olympics. So I can understand their reasons but if Sarah keeps preforming like she has recently Ilia is going have get used to having his mother there whether he likes or not.
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Does Xiangyi An have any chance to have a 2nd assigmnent since her win at Asian Trophy 2024 ?
No. Asian Trophy doesn't count for a season's best, while Challengers (which Cranberry Cup was this season) do.
I did some cross-checking. Pairs looks like the SBs are being updated regardless of placement since Gamez/Korovin, Crafoord/Crafoord and Nagaoka/Moriguchi match what they scored at John Nicks on the alternate list, while Lachlan/Lewer kept their SB from JWC which was higher than their SB at John Nicks. For Singles, Roman Sadovsky earned a higher SB at Cranberry Cup, but he has last season's SB currently. For Singles, it looks to be medalists only while Pairs is based on the highest of current SB or previous season's SB. Ice Dance has a longer list of alternates, so it'll probably be more like Singles instead of Pairs.
I don't think there will be much more movement for the Singles in the pre-GP Challengers. Maybe at Denis Ten for the women, but most of the podiums will likely be skaters who have two assignments already. I'm interested in seeing how they do it for the Challengers that happen during the GP.
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I heard a rumor that Peng/Wang had split. Sadly this development is only giving more credence to this rumor.
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I hope this isn't the case either, I enjoyed seeing them both at Worlds and I enjoyed Peng when she was paired with Yang Jin too...
Skate America host picks:
Men
Lucas Broussard
Women
Elyce Lin-Gracey
Pairs
Katie McBeath/Daniil Parkman
Ice Dance
Isabella Flores/Ivan Desyatov
Updated here - https://results.isu.org/events/fsevent00120597.htm
Men
Lucas Broussard
Women
Elyce Lin-Gracey
Pairs
Katie McBeath/Daniil Parkman
Ice Dance
Isabella Flores/Ivan Desyatov
Updated here - https://results.isu.org/events/fsevent00120597.htm
Is Canada giving up their pairs host spot?
Yes.
I thought that they would wait until Souvenir Georges-Ethier next week to decide it
