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Jacob.
2024-25 U.S. Men's Figure Skating
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In the very complicated "body of work" selection process (which I hate, but will not relitigate here), I'm not sure Jason gets the nod over Andrew.
I think - not certain - that current season carries much more weight than prior season.
That said, if Jason comes into really good form and beats the socks off the field-minus-Ilia at US Nats, then he's almost certainly going to be named to the World Team. And rightfully so. And honestly, that's my prediction.
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Nice interview with Camden Pulkinen: https://olympics.com/en/news/figure...wFVF4tTDHh-2Kp2s24_aem_pKpxF8cknbF3ZTahypjPsw
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Ugh....Lucas is out for the rest of the season because he's broken his pelvis.
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Lucas on Instagram: "Hi! I really appreciate all of the support I’ve received recently. Unfortunately, I’ve fractured my pelvis and won’t be able to complete this season. I’ll continue working hard and come back stronger. Thank you! 🙏"
1,290 likes, 117 comments - lucas._.broussard on November 17, 2024: "Hi! I really appreciate all of the support I’ve received recently. Unfortunately, I’ve fractured my pelvis and won’t be able to complete this season. I’ll continue working hard and come back stronger. Thank you! 🙏".
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The poor guy can not catch a break here. I just hope that he can recover from this injury. It sounds like a bad one and I would like to know a little bit information on just how he got this bad injury. It not a common one that figure skaters get.Ugh....Lucas is out for the rest of the season because he's broken his pelvis.
Lucas on Instagram: "Hi! I really appreciate all of the support I’ve received recently. Unfortunately, I’ve fractured my pelvis and won’t be able to complete this season. I’ll continue working hard and come back stronger. Thank you! 🙏"
1,290 likes, 117 comments - lucas._.broussard on November 17, 2024: "Hi! I really appreciate all of the support I’ve received recently. Unfortunately, I’ve fractured my pelvis and won’t be able to complete this season. I’ll continue working hard and come back stronger. Thank you! 🙏".
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I can't even imagine how painful a fractured pelvis would be.Ugh....Lucas is out for the rest of the season because he's broken his pelvis.
Lucas on Instagram: "Hi! I really appreciate all of the support I’ve received recently. Unfortunately, I’ve fractured my pelvis and won’t be able to complete this season. I’ll continue working hard and come back stronger. Thank you! 🙏"
1,290 likes, 117 comments - lucas._.broussard on November 17, 2024: "Hi! I really appreciate all of the support I’ve received recently. Unfortunately, I’ve fractured my pelvis and won’t be able to complete this season. I’ll continue working hard and come back stronger. Thank you! 🙏".
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A quick search of Dr. Google says that a pelvic fracture can be related to an avulsion fracture in young athletes.
Poor Lucas! He is so elegant, I hope he comes back stronger than ever.
orthoinfo.aaos.org
Poor Lucas! He is so elegant, I hope he comes back stronger than ever.
Pelvic Fractures - OrthoInfo - AAOS
This article focuses on pelvic fractures that are caused by a high-energy event, such as a car collision. Because the pelvis is in proximity to major blood vessels and organs, this type of fracture may cause extensive bleeding and other injuries that require urgent treatment.
orthoinfo.aaos.org
Damn i was really thinking after how well he skated at Cranberry that he was going to make a statement this season to not just possibly make the World team this year but to build up his resume for the Olympic team.Ugh....Lucas is out for the rest of the season because he's broken his pelvis.
Lucas on Instagram: "Hi! I really appreciate all of the support I’ve received recently. Unfortunately, I’ve fractured my pelvis and won’t be able to complete this season. I’ll continue working hard and come back stronger. Thank you! 🙏"
1,290 likes, 117 comments - lucas._.broussard on November 17, 2024: "Hi! I really appreciate all of the support I’ve received recently. Unfortunately, I’ve fractured my pelvis and won’t be able to complete this season. I’ll continue working hard and come back stronger. Thank you! 🙏".
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That sounds awful. Poor guy.Ugh....Lucas is out for the rest of the season because he's broken his pelvis.
Lucas on Instagram: "Hi! I really appreciate all of the support I’ve received recently. Unfortunately, I’ve fractured my pelvis and won’t be able to complete this season. I’ll continue working hard and come back stronger. Thank you! 🙏"
1,290 likes, 117 comments - lucas._.broussard on November 17, 2024: "Hi! I really appreciate all of the support I’ve received recently. Unfortunately, I’ve fractured my pelvis and won’t be able to complete this season. I’ll continue working hard and come back stronger. Thank you! 🙏".
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I haven't seen anything, and I doubt we'll see anything unless Jason posts about it himself.
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Congratulations for US Junior Man Marlo Rosen on a nice debut at Santa Claus Open. He finished SP - 7th, FS - 6th, TOT-7th showing nice consistency.
At the same event after the Senior Men SP (and a quick turn-around from Sectionals!)
5th -- Goku Endo, 8th Beck Strommer
At the same event after the Senior Men SP (and a quick turn-around from Sectionals!)
5th -- Goku Endo, 8th Beck Strommer
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Any idea why USFS didn't use any of the men subs for Golden Spin? I know Andrew was 2nd sub for GPF (1st sub after Adam withdrew). Max was at Warsaw so maybe declined? Or could it be a financial thing for USFS, or the skaters not wanting to travel so far? As long as none of the three subs declined because of injury, I don't mind. Last year, Andrew was going to skate at Golden Spin but withdrew with a back injury. which we didn't about know until Nationals. So I always worry. Andrew hasn't posted anything on social media since NHK, which hopefully means absolutely nothing (he's a fairly light user of social media). Nationals will be here before we know it and yet it's over a month away. I hope the skaters are as healthy as they can be!
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The year continues to bring twists and turns whether it be injuries, mental health or equipment. With Jason's withdrawl from Nationals their is now a lot of interesting possibiliilties. It was due to equipment but one wonders with his lack of tech how secure was he on the team and how long does he really intend to skate competitively He has a great show career still as he is so popular in Japan. Ilia has got a shot for sure it would appear and probably Andrew but if Jason is done at the very least for now there is one or two spots wide open. I think a lot wold say Andrew has at east a spot but that eaves probably one spot open unless Jason is given the chance. Cam? Jimmy?? Sanchez? Tom?
Assignments - https://www.usfigureskating.org/new...s-world-world-junior-and-four-continents-team
2025 World Championships
Jason Brown*
Ilia Malinin
Andrew Torgashev
Alternate 1: Camden Pulkinen
Alternate 2: Maxim Naumov
Alternate 3: Jimmy Ma
*Pending Return to Play Protocol
2025 World Junior Championships
Patrick Blackwell
Jacob Sanchez
Alternate 1: Aleksandr Fegan
Alternate 2: Lorenzo Elano
Alternate 3: Kai Kovar
2025 Four Continents Championships
Maxim Naumov
Camden Pulkinen
Andrew Torgashev
Alternate 1: Jimmy Ma
Alternate 2: Tomoki Hiwatashi
Alternate 3: Daniel Martynov
2025 World Championships
Jason Brown*
Ilia Malinin
Andrew Torgashev
Alternate 1: Camden Pulkinen
Alternate 2: Maxim Naumov
Alternate 3: Jimmy Ma
*Pending Return to Play Protocol
2025 World Junior Championships
Patrick Blackwell
Jacob Sanchez
Alternate 1: Aleksandr Fegan
Alternate 2: Lorenzo Elano
Alternate 3: Kai Kovar
2025 Four Continents Championships
Maxim Naumov
Camden Pulkinen
Andrew Torgashev
Alternate 1: Jimmy Ma
Alternate 2: Tomoki Hiwatashi
Alternate 3: Daniel Martynov
I'll add the information about Return To Play protocol that Jason is now under here as well (page 5-7). This will not be a case of Jason needs to do a clean run-through, there's more to it than that:
"3.1.8. Injury or illness as referenced below:
Per U.S. Figure Skating’s Competition Compliance Agreement, any athlete injured and/or ill to the extent that requires surgery and/or ongoing
medical treatment and/or is otherwise unable to train consistently, effectively, and according to their seasonal plan, and which may therefore jeopardize the athlete’s ability to compete for Team USA, the athlete agrees to communicate the situation to U.S. Figure Skating Senior
Director, Athlete High Performance, with a copy to U.S. Figure Skating Director, High Performance Medical and Performance Services and U.S.
Figure Skating Manager, Team USA. Under such circumstances, the athlete authorizes U.S. Figure Skating to request a Return to Play Plan &
Status Report. Upon receiving the Return to Play Plan & Status Report, U.S. Figure Skating may share the information with the International
Committee Chair and the Chair of the Sports Science and Medicine Committee and/or the Vice Chair of Medical Services for the Sports
Science and Medicine Committee. This information will be handled with the utmost discretion and will be used to enable U.S. Figure Skating to
help facilitate access to services that may support the athlete’s effort to recover.
In addition, any injury/illness occurring after selection of the ISU Figure Skating World Team must be reported to [email protected]
within 24 hours of occurrence and/or knowledge (whichever occurs first) of the injury/illness by the athlete and/or coach. The Senior Director,
Athlete High Performance and the International Chair will be notified by the Director, High Performance Medical and Performance Services
regarding the injury/illness. Depending on the severity of the injury or illness, the athlete authorizes U.S. Figure Skating to request a Return to
Play Plan & Status Report from the Director, High Performance Medical and Performance Services. After the review of the Return to Play &
Status Report, U.S. Figure Skating reserves the right to assemble an injury/illness evaluation group and meet via conference call.
The evaluation group shall include:
• U.S. Figure Skating, Senior Director of Athlete High Performance
• Director, High Performance Medical and Performance Services
• Medical representative for U.S. Figure Skating
• U.S. Figure Skating International Committee Chair
• Athlete’s physician diagnosing the injury or illness
• Primary coach of the athlete
The athlete or the parents of the athlete, if a minor, may also participate in the meeting to discuss the injury or illness. The athlete will also be
provided with the option to have an athlete representative as part of the evaluation group; however, this is not mandatory as such evaluations
concern protected health information. The purpose of the evaluation group is to provide the athlete, in a confidential manner, a support mechanism to communicate factual information to aid in the recovery and allow the athlete to compete at the highest level at the ISU World Championships. The athlete’s support staff (medical team, coach, etc.) will develop a plan to provide:
• A timeline for recovery and training that will achieve the performance goal agreed upon by the evaluation group.
• A timeline for communication on the progress of the athlete.
The primary coach of the next replacement (alternate) athlete and / or the replacement athlete may be notified by the International Committee
Chair that a replacement may be needed depending on the severity of the injury or illness with a timeline to be determined.
If the athlete is unable to progress in the timeline approved by the evaluation group, the coach and athlete must notify the Senior Director,
Athlete High Performance and a follow-up conference call will be arranged to discuss the options for the athlete. The USOPC AAC
representative for U.S. Figure Skating will be included in this meeting. At this point the athlete will decide whether to withdraw, or if the athlete
decides that he/she is not ready to withdraw from the event, then the following will occur:
1) The evaluation group will work with the athlete and support staff to adjust the timeline, or
2) If it is determined by the evaluation group, in its sole discretion, that it is not in the best interest of the athlete and/or U.S. Figure Skating for the athlete to attend the World Championships, the evaluation group will recommend to the International Committee Chair that the athlete is replaced by the next (substitute) substitute athlete. The Chair of the International Committee will take the recommendation of the evaluation group to a vote by the appropriate Discipline Group to replace the athlete."
"3.1.8. Injury or illness as referenced below:
Per U.S. Figure Skating’s Competition Compliance Agreement, any athlete injured and/or ill to the extent that requires surgery and/or ongoing
medical treatment and/or is otherwise unable to train consistently, effectively, and according to their seasonal plan, and which may therefore jeopardize the athlete’s ability to compete for Team USA, the athlete agrees to communicate the situation to U.S. Figure Skating Senior
Director, Athlete High Performance, with a copy to U.S. Figure Skating Director, High Performance Medical and Performance Services and U.S.
Figure Skating Manager, Team USA. Under such circumstances, the athlete authorizes U.S. Figure Skating to request a Return to Play Plan &
Status Report. Upon receiving the Return to Play Plan & Status Report, U.S. Figure Skating may share the information with the International
Committee Chair and the Chair of the Sports Science and Medicine Committee and/or the Vice Chair of Medical Services for the Sports
Science and Medicine Committee. This information will be handled with the utmost discretion and will be used to enable U.S. Figure Skating to
help facilitate access to services that may support the athlete’s effort to recover.
In addition, any injury/illness occurring after selection of the ISU Figure Skating World Team must be reported to [email protected]
within 24 hours of occurrence and/or knowledge (whichever occurs first) of the injury/illness by the athlete and/or coach. The Senior Director,
Athlete High Performance and the International Chair will be notified by the Director, High Performance Medical and Performance Services
regarding the injury/illness. Depending on the severity of the injury or illness, the athlete authorizes U.S. Figure Skating to request a Return to
Play Plan & Status Report from the Director, High Performance Medical and Performance Services. After the review of the Return to Play &
Status Report, U.S. Figure Skating reserves the right to assemble an injury/illness evaluation group and meet via conference call.
The evaluation group shall include:
• U.S. Figure Skating, Senior Director of Athlete High Performance
• Director, High Performance Medical and Performance Services
• Medical representative for U.S. Figure Skating
• U.S. Figure Skating International Committee Chair
• Athlete’s physician diagnosing the injury or illness
• Primary coach of the athlete
The athlete or the parents of the athlete, if a minor, may also participate in the meeting to discuss the injury or illness. The athlete will also be
provided with the option to have an athlete representative as part of the evaluation group; however, this is not mandatory as such evaluations
concern protected health information. The purpose of the evaluation group is to provide the athlete, in a confidential manner, a support mechanism to communicate factual information to aid in the recovery and allow the athlete to compete at the highest level at the ISU World Championships. The athlete’s support staff (medical team, coach, etc.) will develop a plan to provide:
• A timeline for recovery and training that will achieve the performance goal agreed upon by the evaluation group.
• A timeline for communication on the progress of the athlete.
The primary coach of the next replacement (alternate) athlete and / or the replacement athlete may be notified by the International Committee
Chair that a replacement may be needed depending on the severity of the injury or illness with a timeline to be determined.
If the athlete is unable to progress in the timeline approved by the evaluation group, the coach and athlete must notify the Senior Director,
Athlete High Performance and a follow-up conference call will be arranged to discuss the options for the athlete. The USOPC AAC
representative for U.S. Figure Skating will be included in this meeting. At this point the athlete will decide whether to withdraw, or if the athlete
decides that he/she is not ready to withdraw from the event, then the following will occur:
1) The evaluation group will work with the athlete and support staff to adjust the timeline, or
2) If it is determined by the evaluation group, in its sole discretion, that it is not in the best interest of the athlete and/or U.S. Figure Skating for the athlete to attend the World Championships, the evaluation group will recommend to the International Committee Chair that the athlete is replaced by the next (substitute) substitute athlete. The Chair of the International Committee will take the recommendation of the evaluation group to a vote by the appropriate Discipline Group to replace the athlete."
It was so obvious what was going on with Brown (no-one believed me 
), I don't know why USFS have to play this game of springing surprises on the skaters at the end of the tournament. Why don't they just tell everyone that Brown is having equipment issues that will resolve itself after Nationals so he's an automatic inclusion, Ilia isn't going to lose, so the rest of you have to fight it out for that last remaining place.
Poor Camden
(like Sarah in the women's event), must have thought they did everything to go to World's, but alas someone who hasn't competed all season, who when he did compete had big problems with his jumps, now that skater is citing equipment problems for skipping Nationals (would Brown have skipped World's or the Olympics because his skates weren't completely broken in I think we know the answer to that one 
), has been gifted a place at World's pending a couple of run throughs at training (an opaque process open to manipulation conducted in secret no-one privy to the scores nor any video evidence released).
Now I'm not saying Brown played this up, and there's no reason to think it is not genuine (however I'm not sure someone would sit out World's or Olympics for this reason), however it did work out in Brown's best interests to skip Nationals because what was there to gain by competing since they were picking him no matter what. If he went out and skated, having a disaster performance, that is the only way he would have been excluded. I'm not saying Brown was thinking along those lines, but maybe in the future someone will be incentivised to sit out Nationals to gain a virtually automatic spot for World's (or the Olympics).
), I don't know why USFS have to play this game of springing surprises on the skaters at the end of the tournament. Why don't they just tell everyone that Brown is having equipment issues that will resolve itself after Nationals so he's an automatic inclusion, Ilia isn't going to lose, so the rest of you have to fight it out for that last remaining place. Poor Camden
(like Sarah in the women's event), must have thought they did everything to go to World's, but alas someone who hasn't competed all season, who when he did compete had big problems with his jumps, now that skater is citing equipment problems for skipping Nationals (would Brown have skipped World's or the Olympics because his skates weren't completely broken in I think we know the answer to that one ), has been gifted a place at World's pending a couple of run throughs at training (an opaque process open to manipulation conducted in secret no-one privy to the scores nor any video evidence released).Now I'm not saying Brown played this up, and there's no reason to think it is not genuine (however I'm not sure someone would sit out World's or Olympics for this reason), however it did work out in Brown's best interests to skip Nationals because what was there to gain by competing since they were picking him no matter what. If he went out and skated, having a disaster performance, that is the only way he would have been excluded. I'm not saying Brown was thinking along those lines, but maybe in the future someone will be incentivised to sit out Nationals to gain a virtually automatic spot for World's (or the Olympics).
It's that there was no proof that he was petitioning and he hadn't given a simple yes/no to the question. You were looking to create outrage over something that hadn't happened yet.(no-one believed me
Camden didn't do everything to go to Worlds. The selection criteria lays out that performing well on the Grand Prix is part of being selected, and Camden's performances were poor in his two assignments. He did not make a good case for himself and he should understand that fully.Poor Camden
You've decided that it is open to manipulation when the process hasn't even gone through because the results are not disclosed publicly. You've decided that it based on a few run-throughs when I posted the full process in the post above you that details that it is more than that. If Jason is not ready for Worlds, he will not be going to Worlds. It will be decided for him.
He said it himself he plans to return to competition soon. How was he going to soon participate in competition without petitioning USFS given he skipped Nationals with a vague excuse about equipment issues? The proof is in his words. Otherwise he would have said, "Thank you for the support, given I've skipped Nationals I'll being seeing all of you next season!
Enjoy the summer!" Instead he said I'm planning to return to competition again soon.
Neither has Brown, and given he's having such extraordinary issues with his equipment that have forced him to make no other choice but withdraw from Nationals, then how can he be trusted to not withdraw a week or two before World's because of equipment issues. If he's had equipment issues for months, then it's not going to suddenly resolve itself right
.I'm going to make another bold prediction as I did when I declared Brown would petition for these spots: The equipment issues will be resolved over the coming weeks. There, I said it!
Instead I'd pick Camden because you know he'll at least be there, he had the courage to lay it all on the line at Nationals, his equipment is reliable, has a triple axel while Brown still hasn't jumped one all season.
Yes, I think this process needs to be completely transparent for the sake of the other skaters who are being denied a once in a lifetime opportunity. I want to know the protocols, see videos of his run throughs. Just to keep everyone honest.
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