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These shows are currently available on YouTube with English subtitles. Since they share the same theme of traditional Japanese culture, I'll put them both in one thread.
Hyoen shows are story-driven. Skaters play one or several characters in these stories along with actors and musicians.

Hyoen 2017: Basara
This is a unique show that combines traditional Kabuki theater, figure skating and aerials to tell a Kabuki-style story about gods, demons, heroes, and human love. Starring: Daisuke Takahashi, Shizuka Arakawa, Nobunari Oda, Akiko Suzuki and more along with original actors of Kabuki theater.
More information is available in the archived thread about this show.

Hyoen 2019: Like the Moon Light
This show is a loose adaptation of a medieval Japanese novel The Tale of Genji, a story about the life and love of a fictional prince Hikaru Genji. Starring: Daisuke Takahashi, Shizuka Arakawa, Stephane Lambiel, Yulia Lipnitskaya, Nobunari Oda, Akiko Suzuki and more along with professional singers and actors.

Please, add more information about these shows and share your thoughts and impressions! Do you think Hyoen series should return to adopting traditional Japanese culture for ice shows?
 
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Both shows are currently available on YouTube with English subtitles. Since they share the same theme of traditional Japanese culture, I'll put them both in one thread.
Hyoen shows are story-driven. Skaters play one or several characters in these stories along with actors and musicians.

Hyoen 2017: Basara

This is a unique show that combines traditional Kabuki theater, figure skating and aerials to tell a Kabuki-style story about gods, demons, heroes, and human love. Starring: Daisuke Takahashi, Shizuka Arakawa, Nobunari Oda, Akiko Suzuki and more along with original actors of Kabuki theater.

Hyoen 2019: Like the Moon Light

This show is a loose adaptation of a medieval Japanese novel The Tale of Genji, a story about the life and love of a fictional prince Hikaru Genji. Starring: Daisuke Takahashi, Shizuka Arakawa, Stephane Lambiel, Yulia Lipnitskaya, Nobunari Oda, Akiko Suzuki and more along with professional singers and actors.

Please, add more information about these shows and share your thoughts and impressions! Do you think Hyoen series should return to adopting traditional Japanese culture for ice shows?
I'm taking the liberty of embedding the links, so that passers-by and those not signed in a Google/Youtube account can watch it (provided that they're not geoblocked):
2017


2019
 
I'm taking the liberty of embedding the links, so that passers-by and those not signed in a Google/Youtube account can watch it (provided that they're not geoblocked):
2017


2019

In the name of passers-by and those not signed in a Google/YouTube account, I thank you!
 
Talking about the trend of traditional Japanese culture being shown on ice, I have an absolutely wild idea coming to my mind.

What if Eiichiro Oda is not satisfied with the production quality of OPOI and... hires the Hyoen production team for his next show instead?

Given that Hyoen team has experience of making a kabuki-skating fusion in Hyoen 2017:Basara and Oda has a massively kabuki-inspired Wano Kuni arc in One Piece, it might be a match made in heaven ;)

What do you think? Could it actually work?
 
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Talking about the trend of traditional Japanese culture being shown on ice, I have an absolutely wild idea coming to my mind.

What if Eiichiro Oda is not satisfied with the production quality of OPOI shows and... hires the Hyoen production team for his next show instead?

Given that Hyoen team has experience of making a kabuki-skating fusion in Hyoen 2017:Basara and Oda has a massively kabuki-inspired Wano Kuni arc in One Piece, it might be a match made in heaven ;)

What do you think? Could it actually work?
Would the Hyoen team be inspired by the theme? (It's a real question.)
And would they be given the same budget as for Hyoen?
If so, it's probable that the result would at least appeal to people who have that depth of approach to the manga.
 
Would the Hyoen team be inspired by the theme? (It's a real question.)
Why not? It would be a new and greater challenge because, in addition to the package they have already worked with, they would have an internationally known pop culture icon in their hands.

If seriously, I rather doubt that Eiichiro Oda would be interested in big spending (I think this not a separate question because Hyoen would either do it with sufficient financing or they would not do it at all) just to create an ice show. Figure skating audience is a different demographic niche. He can't hope to find many new manga readers there. Unless... unless he really is a Kabuki fan and the idea would be to return to 2017 kabuki-skating mix where he could cast same Somegoro Ichikawa VII as Kaido... just an example :)
 
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What if Eiichiro Oda is not satisfied with the production quality of OPOI and... hires the Hyoen production team for his next show instead?

Was Eiichiro Oda actively involved in the production of OPOI or did the production company "just" get his "blessing" to use the brand for the show? The official website states that the show was organised by the "ONE PIECE ON ICE 2024 Production Committee" – do we know who is behind it/part of it?




Given that Hyoen team has experience of making a kabuki-skating fusion in Hyoen 2017:Basara and Oda has a massively kabuki-inspired Wano Kuni arc in One Piece, it might be a match made in heaven ;)

What do you think? Could it actually work?

Assuming that someone came up with this idea and wanted to aim for a similar production style and scope in all aspects, they'd have to hire more or less the same constellation of creative people and specialised companies that worked on Basara (the constellation changes from production to production, depending on the genre of each Hyoen instalment), which is a very long list. Most importantly – you already identified him – they would need to pitch their idea to Matsumoto Kōshirō X (whose stage name at the time of Basara was Ichikawa Somegorō VII), who not only appeared as the main villain, Nikki Danjo, on stage (and...ice ;)) but also directed the show. Another integral part would imo be to get Kikunojo Onoue with his many years of expertise as a choreographer, director and performer in fields such as kabuki, Japanese dance and various forms of traditional Japanese theatre, on board – he has been the main constant of all Hyoen production teams (alongside USM pulling the strings as coordinators in the background, of course) and has played a large part in the fact that the combination of various traditional Japanese performance genres with figure skating has worked so well in the Hyoen series.

Which brings us to DizzyFrenchie's questions – a production at Hyoen level requires a decent budget and therefore a production company and sponsors who can be convinced that their investment will bring corresponding added value and thus revenue for them. And here, a lot of factors come into play, which you probably know much better than I do due to your work related to this industry. :) I suppose, potential production companies/sponsors will look at the sales figures of productions most similar to the pitched idea – Basara and OPOI can be used as the most obvious references here. Then they will probably come to the conclusion that Basara capitalised not only on the popularity of two established genres in Japan but also on the popularity of some of the leading stars in these respective genres. On the other hand, they will realise that OPOI, which uses a relatively similar marketing principle (even if one of the involved genres is even more popular (or as you aptly put it: an international pop culture icon) and aimed at a different target group), has done quite well even without a comparable budget. Unfortunately, I have no insight whether Hyoen Basara or OPOI ultimately generated more revenue – if the results are similar or OPOI is even ahead here, especially because of the lower production costs, it could be difficult to persuade sponsors to invest more. I think the most crucial thing would be for a project like this to be helmed by someone in the show industry who is passionate about the idea, has the right connections and is able to win others over with their enthusiasm.




If seriously, I rather doubt that Eiichiro Oda would be interested in big spending (I think this not a separate question because Hyoen would either do it with sufficient financing or they would not do it at all) just to create an ice show. Figure skating audience is a different demographic niche. He can't hope to find many new manga readers there. Unless... unless he really is a Kabuki fan and the idea would be to return to 2017 kabuki-skating mix where he could cast same Somegoro Ichikawa VII as Kaido... just an example :)

Imo it is a separate question since it's extremely unlikely that a One Piece show would be produced under the Hyoen brand (or even by USM since Shoma is not with them anymore) for various reasons. It would have to be an independent production.


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Was Eiichiro Oda actively involved in the production of OPOI or did the production company "just" get his "blessing" to use the brand for the show? The official website states that the show was organised by the "ONE PIECE ON ICE 2024 Production Committee" – do we know who is behind it/part of it?
I don't know but I'd like to know. I'll take this to the Collection thread. Maybe there are other followers who know.

Which brings us to DizzyFrenchie's questions – a production at Hyoen level requires a decent budget and therefore a production company and sponsors who can be convinced that their investment will bring corresponding added value and thus revenue for them. And here, a lot of factors come into play, which you probably know much better than I do due to your work related to this industry. :)
Have mercy, I haven't done anything in the field for more than twenty years! Times have changed. New media have overtaken the world. My knowledge is dated to say the least :laugh:

I have a few narrations though; maybe they are a bit incorrect but I still like to have a talk about it ;) I will post them in the Collection thread; I want to make one big post about takeaways from all 2024 shows.

Assuming that someone came up with this idea and wanted to aim for a similar production style and scope in all aspects, they'd have to hire more or less the same constellation of creative people and specialised companies that worked on Basara (the constellation changes from production to production, depending on the genre of each Hyoen instalment), which is a very long list. Most importantly – you already identified him – they would need to pitch their idea to Matsumoto Kōshirō X (whose stage name at the time of Basara was Ichikawa Somegorō VII), who not only appeared as the main villain, Nikki Danjo, on stage (and...ice ;)) but also directed the show.
This is the key word! If yet another kabuki-skating mix is about to ever happen, be it within the Hyoen brand or as a separate project, then Matsumoto Kōshirō the 10th (which means that he is 10th generation kabuki actor) whose other stage name is Ichikawa Somegorō the 7th (which means that he is 7th generation kabuki actor if you count another related kabuki actor dynasty) and who has also a normal human birth name Terumasa Fujima (please, do not confuse with Ichikawa Somegorō the 8th, it's his son Itsuki Fujima who also does kabuki and beside that is a stunningly beautiful Vogue model) is the one and obviously only man who can realistically do it. (Please, God, don't make me search kabuki actors by key words ever again!)
Is it possible to track down any feedback from him, maybe some interviews after the 2017 show? Why did he and the Hypen team parted ways? Does he consider doing a similar show ever again? Also, I got an impression that he might be a Cirque du Soleil fan; there was a Cirque du Soleil show that was also built around reading a book (Zarkana) and they definitely played it in Tokyo. And, that wild thought again... Has he ever made any comments about Wano Arc in One Piece?

Another integral part would imo be to get Kikunojo Onoue with his many years of expertise as a choreographer, director and performer in fields such as kabuki, Japanese dance and various forms of traditional Japanese theatre, on board – he has been the main constant of all Hyoen production teams (alongside USM pulling the strings as coordinators in the background, of course) and has played a large part in the fact that the combination of various traditional Japanese performance genres with figure skating has worked so well in the Hyoen series.
So, this guy is the actual miracle aligner! :love:
Has he shared any takeaways from the first show? Is there any chance that Hyoen might return to the kabuki theme, not necessarily in the context of Wano arc but in general?

Imo it is a separate question since it's extremely unlikely that a One Piece show would be produced under the Hyoen brand (or even by USM since Shoma is not with them anymore) for various reasons. It would have to be an independent production.
Alas, there has never been any hint anywhere that a collaboration between OPOI and Hyoen/USM could possibly happen.
So we can muse what effects such collaboration could theoretically have on fandom if happened or what theoretical advantages or disadvantages it could have artistically or financially, but what the plans of actual production companies and artists are... It's up to them and only them. Miracles do happen sometimes but still... It's up to them.
 
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What if Eiichiro Oda is not satisfied with the production quality of OPOI and... hires the Hyoen production team for his next show instead?

Given that Hyoen team has experience of making a kabuki-skating fusion in Hyoen 2017:Basara and Oda has a massively kabuki-inspired Wano Kuni arc in One Piece, it might be a match made in heaven ;)

What do you think? Could it actually work?

If seriously, I rather doubt that Eiichiro Oda would be interested in big spending (I think this not a separate question because Hyoen would either do it with sufficient financing or they would not do it at all) just to create an ice show. Figure skating audience is a different demographic niche. He can't hope to find many new manga readers there. Unless... unless he really is a Kabuki fan and the idea would be to return to 2017 kabuki-skating mix where he could cast same Somegoro Ichikawa VII as Kaido... just an example :)

I don't know but I'd like to know. I'll take this to the Collection thread. Maybe there are other followers who know.


Alas, there has never been any hint anywhere that a collaboration between OPOI and Hyoen/USM could possibly happen.
So we can muse what effects such collaboration could theoretically have on fandom if happened or what theoretical advantages or disadvantages it could have artistically or financially, but what the plans of actual production companies and artists are... It's up to them and only them. Miracles do happen sometimes but still... It's up to them.


Sorry for the late response, but I didn’t come back empty handed! ;) I did some digging and, to my own surprise, found this:




https://www.shochiku.co.jp/cinemakabuki/onepiece/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Kabuki_II:_One_Piece



A “super kabuki” stage adaptation (“the “super kabuki” series is characterized by profound storytelling, solemn music incorporating Western instruments, glittering costumes, acrobatic sword fighting and acting in modern languages”) of the One Piece “Paramount War saga”. And guess what? There were even four Hyoen collaborators/members involved – Kikunojo Onoe (choreography), Emiya Ichikawa (as Nico Robin and Marigold), Seiji Fukushi (as Ace) and Yujin Kitagawa of the band “ゆず“, who performed the theme song (this makes me think that Kikunojo Onoe might have played a role in asking the band to join Hyoen 2024)! Huh, who would have thought! :eek:

I don’t know if the production value comes closer to what you have in mind – the production does look more expensive than the one for OPOI though and there seem to be a couple of nice effects like the water, the obligatory (for kabuki-shows) wire-action and some nicely done projection mapping. However, I think that the casting choices were pretty curious in this adaptation – many of the actors were twice the age of the characters they portrayed. 😅 (I guess this comes with the territory though as most established kabuki actors (the “fan-favourites”) seem to be at least middle-aged.) For instance, Ichikawa Ennosuke IV, who played Monkey D. Luffy, was 40 at the time. The show was re-staged in 2017 with a couple of changes to the script and direction and with different casts for the matinee and soiree performances. In the “special” matinee shows the characters were mainly portrayed by young actors while the cast for the “regular” soiree performances was the same as during the show’s first run. However, when Ichikawa Ennosuke IV broke his arm in an on-stage accident, he was permanently replaced by the young Monkey D. Luffy from the matinee shows, Ukon Onoe, who was 25 at the time.

The stage show was also filmed and screened in cinemas (from the Japanese wikipedia article):

The film was first released on October 22, 2016 at the Tōgeki, Shinjuku Piccadilly and other theatres nationwide, and was also screened in Hollywood, United States of America and Colombo, Sri Lanka. The Cinema Kabuki version has been re-edited to approximately two hours (118 minutes from over three hours at the time of the stage performance.


Surprisingly (at least to me), Oda supervised the production and was apparently happy with the adaptation. So it is possible to get him involved when he likes the approach. :cool:


As I vaguely remembered seeing a comment by Oda on OPOI, I dug up the GS-thread, started by @rabidline for the first staging of OPOI in 2023. And indeed, @KiraraChin posted the following message from Oda, which he wrote after attending one of the Yokohama performances - it’s safe to say he wasn’t involved in the production, but he certainly seemed to enjoy the show, in particular the skaters’ performances (apart from the projection mapping, he didn’t comment on the specifics of the production itself):



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It's been years since I heard that a story from the Land of Sand would be made into an ice show!? The cast was filled with names that were decided one after another that even someone like me, who knows nothing about the world of skating, knew. The director in charge of the show is Mr. Kanaya, who has worked on many One Piece stage shows. I went to see the Yokohama performance! It was my first time seeing an ice show! Wow. it's so cold at the skating rink, I would have died if I wasn't wearing my winter gear. The first half of the show had me in tears. I'm not the type to cry easily but I was moved. Even as I wondered "why", it touched my heart. "What is this!?" I was on the edge of tears until the very end. The answer is simple. In front of me were world-class skaters and I was constantly overwhelmed by their live performances. Skating is beautiful!!! The performance using the projector was also interesting. The characters’ individuality and presence were expressed to the point that the performance makes people look bigger. I don't think we’ll ever see such an amazing group of people again. It was a truly worthwhile show. The only performance left is the Nagoya performance in September, but if you can go, please do so live!! The impact is different from TV! Sorry if you didn't get a ticket!! lol
 
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So, this guy is the actual miracle aligner! :love:
Has he shared any takeaways from the first show?

This is not exactly a takeaway after the first show, but an interesting exchange between choreographers, Kikunojo Onoe and Kenji Miyamoto, during production, taken from the program brochure of Hyoen - Basara (yes, I scanned the pages and had them OCRed ;)) :



-One of the highlights of "Basara" is the choreography by two people who are active at the forefront of completely different genres. Kabuki and figure skating. This was the first time you two met. So what were your first impressions of each other?
Miyamoto Kenji (hereafter Miyamoto): To be honest, I had the impression that working with Kabuki actors was a bit intimidating, but when I met Kikunojo, he was very friendly and easy to talk to. and I felt like we were able to share the fun feeling of "creating together" right away. Kikunojo is very gentle and kind, so it's easy to ask him anything. He answered my various questions carefully, such as "In Kabuki terms, what kind of movement would this be?" We started exchanging various ideas frankly from quite early on.
Onoe Kikunojo (hereafter Kikunojo): As we talked and explored each other's ideas, the most interesting thing was the story of Renrihiki* [*this translation might be incorrect] (a type of kabuki performance in which a vengeful spirit reaches out and pulls a person from behind and the person grabs the collar and moves backwards). You want to go this way, but someone grabs you by your collar and takes you away, pulling you by the hand and taking you away. On ice, you can skate backwards while pretending to skate forward. In a normal play, you act that way yourself, but in skating, you can look as if you want to go forward, and you can skate backwards smoothly with your feet.
Miyamoto: That’s right.
Kikunojo: Miyamoto-san is a choreographer, but he was originally an ice dancer, so he is good at creating distances and has a very rich way of expressing emotions. I felt that there was something in common between us.
Miyamoto-san showed us his own choreography, so it's very interesting to see us show each other our movements. It's interesting and fun to watch Miyamoto-san show us how to do it.
— Before you first met, you both apparently went to see a Kabuki performance and an ice show to study each other.
Kikunojo: Until then, I had only seen skating on TV. I had never seen it before [live], and although I vaguely thought it was beautiful, I had never really looked at it from the perspective of how the movements were done, or how to combine this sport with Kabuki. So last year, I went to see ’Christmas on Ice," which Miyamoto-san was also involved in regarding the choreography. But to be honest, even after watching it, I still couldn't quite get a sense of it. I thought that if I went to see the show, I would somehow be able to get an idea of what it could be like [to combine the two], but the more I watched, the more I wondered what it would be like (laughs).
Miyamoto: Kabuki as a collaboration partner - when I looked at Kabuki and skating, I noticed that there are some parts that are very similar, but also some parts that are completely different. For example, the way the feet move, and the amount of force they put in. In skating, it is considered a beautiful form to bend the knee fully, and to fully extend it, but in Kabuki, when showing powerful movements, the legs are not fully extended. There are movements where the center of gravity is placed in the middle and the feet are pressed firmly against the ground, and there are many expressions of the feet that are not found in skating. One example is not showing the soles of the feet. Skaters express the body using even the blades of their skates. I learned that these aspects are completely different.
Kikunojo: The depiction of the feet was a big difference between Kabuki and skating. The costumes were also different. I learned from Miyamoto-san that figure skaters can't skate easily if their costumes are below the knees because its dangerous. I heard that the more professional the skater, the more stressed they are by the length of their costumes. But Kabuki actors, on the other hand, don't have to worry about that. In any case, its dangerous for Kabuki actors to wear skates (laughs). In that sense, the Kabuki actors will be "skaters with hidden feet," which you don t see in regular ice shows (laughs). Ichikawa Emiya’s costumes are quite interesting because they look like they're floating in the air when they skate on the ice.
— What do you think about the projection mapping used in this production? Projection mapping has already been used successfully in several performances, and it is known to be a good match for both Kabuki and figure skating.
Kikunojo: Projection mapping is often used as a background art, but it is very difficult to create a large-scale projection mapping that crawls on the ground like this time. Originally, Kabuki was performed in water, on high places, or on the beach, and it has been performed in various locations, but this time it is performed on ice and with skates on. This is of course unprecedented. It is not just figure skating and kabuki, but art that is truly a "three-way street." I felt that it was interesting and difficult to figure out how to combine the two.
Miyamoto: I have experience using projection mapping in productions I have been involved in*, but it is still a new form of expression, so each time I felt that I could have done a little better. This time I would like to take those lessons learned from the past and complete the ideal fusion with projection mapping.
[* I assume he referred to the two figure skating x projection mapping collaborations that he choreographed, “Fine on the outside”, which was a bonus feature on the DVD/Blu-Ray of the Studio Ghibli film “When Marnie was there” (2014) , and “GIFT” (2016).]
— This time, the kabuki actors are taking on the new challenge of skating, and the skaters are taking on kabuki gestures.
Miyamoto: When Kikunojo showed us his kabuki movements, I was impressed by how beautiful they looked from any angle, whether seen from behind or in front. I thought this would look great in the Yoyogi Gymnasium, where the audience seats cover a 360-degree angle.
Kikunojo: In this instance, instead of suggesting to the skaters, "Let's try this Kabuki movement," we provided them with Kabuki movements that made us think, "Oh, I see, this is Kabuki-like," or ”I can feel the traditional Japanese movements and atmosphere," and then trnsformed them into new expressions.
I hope we can continue to do so. Miyamoto-san probably feels the same way. It’s impossible to get a Kabuki actor to do the same movements as a skater (laughs). But I think that when Somegoro-san and the others say, "I want to do this kind of movement," Miyamoto-san thinks of a way to make it look like they’re really good at the sport, and I hope that we can fuse styles together.
Miyamoto: When someone says, "I want to do this kind of movement," our job is to figure out how to give it shape. However, this time there are technical issues with what you can and can't do with skates, so you have to choose which parts to use and which to give up. But it’s also fun to figure that out. When someone says they want to do something, and you think, "I can do this much, but I can't do that much... so how should I do it?" that's what gets me motivated to create.
Kikunojo: Through this performance I was surprised to learn that it is normal for skaters to practice at the skating rink late at night. I was shocked when I saw the timetable (laughs). I had no idea that even the most experienced skaters could only use the rink at night.
Miyamoto: You must have been surprised to see the schedule that goes until 5 am (laughs). From now until the performance there will be many late-night practices. Let’s do our best!
 
BTW, just a bit curious. Why isn't Hyoen 2024 got included on this thread?
It's a past ice show, and this thread IIRC is only for current and future ice shows. Meaning that this thread is also technically not supposed to be here, lol. Hyoen 2025, which is upcoming, is in a separate thread.
 
It's a past ice show, and this thread IIRC is only for current and future ice shows. Meaning that this thread is also technically not supposed to be here, lol. Hyoen 2025, which is upcoming, is in a separate thread.

Well, yes... But there's also a HYOEN show in 2024. You have 2017 and 2019 on this thread, why not the 2024 too?
 
Well, yes... But there's also a HYOEN show in 2024. You have 2017 and 2019 on this thread, why not the 2024 too?
Ah, could be because of the 2024 version isn't on Youtube with English subtitles yet, unlike the other 2 the OP posted here. There's also a HYOEN show in 2021 which also isn't on Youtube.
 
BTW, just a bit curious. Why isn't Hyoen 2024 got included on this thread?
It's a past ice show, and this thread IIRC is only for current and future ice shows. Meaning that this thread is also technically not supposed to be here, lol. Hyoen 2025, which is upcoming, is in a separate thread.
Well, yes... But there's also a HYOEN show in 2024. You have 2017 and 2019 on this thread, why not the 2024 too?
Ah, could be because of the 2024 version isn't on Youtube with English subtitles yet, unlike the other 2 the OP posted here. There's also a HYOEN show in 2021 which also isn't on Youtube.
I only want to add that I had a question about how Hyoen series could be discussed thread-wise earlier in the Collection thread and @synesthesia gave me an answer amid other things. So, if you want to revive this discussion and/or see our points, I guess you are welcome :)

ETA: Since Hyoen 2021 has been mentioned, there is an archived thread about Hyoen 2021 which provides links to excerpts from the show.
 
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Sorry for the late response, but I didn’t come back empty handed! ;) I did some digging and, to my own surprise, found this:




https://www.shochiku.co.jp/cinemakabuki/onepiece/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Kabuki_II:_One_Piece



A “super kabuki” stage adaptation (“the “super kabuki” series is characterized by profound storytelling, solemn music incorporating Western instruments, glittering costumes, acrobatic sword fighting and acting in modern languages”) of the One Piece “Paramount War saga”. And guess what? There were even four Hyoen collaborators/members involved – Kikunojo Onoe (choreography), Emiya Ichikawa (as Nico Robin and Marigold), Seiji Fukushi (as Ace) and Yujin Kitagawa of the band “ゆず“, who performed the theme song (this makes me think that Kikunojo Onoe might have played a role in asking the band to join Hyoen 2024)! Huh, who would have thought! :eek:

I don’t know if the production value comes closer to what you have in mind – the production does look more expensive than the one for OPOI though and there seem to be a couple of nice effects like the water, the obligatory (for kabuki-shows) wire-action and some nicely done projection mapping. However, I think that the casting choices were pretty curious in this adaptation – many of the actors were twice the age of the characters they portrayed. 😅 (I guess this comes with the territory though as most established kabuki actors (the “fan-favourites”) seem to be at least middle-aged.) For instance, Ichikawa Ennosuke IV, who played Monkey D. Luffy, was 40 at the time. The show was re-staged in 2017 with a couple of changes to the script and direction and with different casts for the matinee and soiree performances. In the “special” matinee shows the characters were mainly portrayed by young actors while the cast for the “regular” soiree performances was the same as during the show’s first run. However, when Ichikawa Ennosuke IV broke his arm in an on-stage accident, he was permanently replaced by the young Monkey D. Luffy from the matinee shows, Ukon Onoe, who was 25 at the time.

The stage show was also filmed and screened in cinemas (from the Japanese wikipedia article):

The film was first released on October 22, 2016 at the Tōgeki, Shinjuku Piccadilly and other theatres nationwide, and was also screened in Hollywood, United States of America and Colombo, Sri Lanka. The Cinema Kabuki version has been re-edited to approximately two hours (118 minutes from over three hours at the time of the stage performance.


Surprisingly (at least to me), Oda supervised the production and was apparently happy with the adaptation. So it is possible to get him involved when he likes the approach. :cool:


As I vaguely remembered seeing a comment by Oda on OPOI, I dug up the GS-thread, started by @rabidline for the first staging of OPOI in 2023. And indeed, @KiraraChin posted the following message from Oda, which he wrote after attending one of the Yokohama performances - it’s safe to say he wasn’t involved in the production, but he certainly seemed to enjoy the show, in particular the skaters’ performances (apart from the projection mapping, he didn’t comment on the specifics of the production itself):



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Episode of Alabasta
It's been years since I heard that a story from the Land of Sand would be made into an ice show!? The cast was filled with names that were decided one after another that even someone like me, who knows nothing about the world of skating, knew. The director in charge of the show is Mr. Kanaya, who has worked on many One Piece stage shows. I went to see the Yokohama performance! It was my first time seeing an ice show! Wow. it's so cold at the skating rink, I would have died if I wasn't wearing my winter gear. The first half of the show had me in tears. I'm not the type to cry easily but I was moved. Even as I wondered "why", it touched my heart. "What is this!?" I was on the edge of tears until the very end. The answer is simple. In front of me were world-class skaters and I was constantly overwhelmed by their live performances. Skating is beautiful!!! The performance using the projector was also interesting. The characters’ individuality and presence were expressed to the point that the performance makes people look bigger. I don't think we’ll ever see such an amazing group of people again. It was a truly worthwhile show. The only performance left is the Nagoya performance in September, but if you can go, please do so live!! The impact is different from TV! Sorry if you didn't get a ticket!! lol

So much information. I need time to process it :biggrin:
Honestly, my first reaction to One Piece on Kabuki was... "It's not canon" :laugh: To make it worse, I still found it very interesting and my imagination instantly went nuts producing ideas of how Kabuki versions of totally non-kabuki material could look like. Unfortunately, it did not take long for me to imagine David Schwimmer in Kabuki make-up playing Ross in Kabuki adaptation of the respective TV series and... I was done for that day.
Today, when I'm back to my senses, I'm positive towards Kabuki version of One Piece because it allows comparing Oda's artistic expression to that of classical Japanese art and because it's fun - but it's not the most manga-friendly type of a live show as such. It's pretty much extravaganza; you need to know and love Kabuki to like it. OPOI though is the most manga-friendly type of a live show. Simply because it is an ice show, it can adopt the movement and the body line in the most "canon" way possible for a human. You only need to read the manga to like it.

I am also thinking about the following: the "super kabuki" One Piece project felt somehow logical considering that Oda is a fan and has so much Kabuki influence. It was also somehow logical that Hyoen collaborators were involved because "super kabuki" is genre fusion just like Hyoen. Then, would it be logical if they all would meet again, on ice this time? :scratch2: Since Oda saw the first ice show in his life just a little more than a year ago, it might take time, but... My wild dreams are back. Thank you @synesthesia for bringing the facts that revived my wildest dreams! :rock:
 
In Japan tough, the competition is harsh and the producers of ice shows need to improve and experiment. Hyoen is my favorite series for the same reason which disappointed you: it's a genre fusion by concept. But, even if you don't like this concept, you can easily notice how much the production has improved between 2017 and, let's say, 2024. (I'm not sure about how much of the latest shows can be found on YouTube though; @synesthesia maybe you could start a thread about Hyoen 2022 and 2024 on YouTube if you have saved some playlists?) What is interesting for me in this series and also in Cirque du Soleil ice shows is how the use of ice allows to interpret the movement and the flow between the segments of the show and, accordingly, what new possibilities it opens for storytelling.
And, regarding Hyoen, I think your criticism is noteworthy because it lists the reasons why figure skating fans outside of Japan may shun these shows and hence I would happily to see your comments in the respective threads of the show subforum where we can discuss the newest productions.

I hope you don't mind me responding here instead of in the thread in The Edge where this is off-topic:

Sumimasen, I don't want to start another thread for past Hyoen productions. :pray: Maybe you can edit the title of this thread to include the 2021 spin-off and the 2024 production instead?




For those disappointed with the amount of skating in Hyoen, the spin-off LUXE, which consists of loosely connected vignettes rather than an elaborate story and doesn't have that much dialogue, but conveys the narrative of each scene through skating/expression/acting, might be more up their alley.

For those, who appreciate the genre fusion and performers from different backgrounds not only bringing their own weapons but also putting in the effort to learn and present new skills, all four of the regular productions have a lot to offer. And the Hyoen productions featured no shortage of masters of their respective crafts, like Ichikawa Somegoro VII/Matsumoto Kōshirō X (one of Japan's leading kabuki actors and producers), Reon Yuzuki ((one of) the most popular top star(s) in the history of the Takarazuka Revue), Ayaka Hirahara (a highly sought after musical actress who usually gets cast in leading roles), Tokuma Nishioka (who appeared in the multiple Emmy Award-winning tv drama series "Shōgun") or Takahisa Masuda, who is a popular idol. Not to mention names like soundtrack composer Kenji Kawai, musician SUGIZO or directors Amon Miyamoto and Yukihiko Tsutsumi.

Those, who dislike Shizuka portraying villains (and imo being bada*s while doing so :biggrin: let's face it - she gets these roles because she's a good actress), might not enjoy any of the productions. (Well, technically Shizuka's character in this year's adaptation of the Ura legend wasn't villainous, but there were still similarities with some of the characters she has portrayed before; I do agree that she is often kinda underused, though).



Here's a short official making of of "LUXE" (2021) with English subtitles (including several scenes from the show at the end):



And a video by teamLab, which showcases the projection mapping they developed for the show from a bird's eye perspective (most impressive were the effects for "The seagull" (from 6:44) and for "Phénix" (from 7:31):




A few show excerpts:


Daisuke's and Keiji's duet themed around the myth of Narcissus was widely regarded the highlight of LUXE:






Shizuka as a poisonous flower/femme fatale, seducing and eventually devouring poor Kohei Yoshino:




Akiko dancing with Reon Yuzuki in a Takarazuka style floor dance number:




The aforementioned "Phénix" accompanied by the most beautiful/impressive projection mapping in the show:








As for "Miracle of the cross (star)" (2024), there is a non-listed video of the live broadcast version on youtube, but I don't know how the uploader would feel about linking it here (even though it has been shared on other platforms).




Those, who are interested in Daisuke portraying a somewhat "demonic" (as well as complex) character, should give the latest production a try - the edited version including a making of will be broadcast on Japanese tv on CS Nitteleplus this Sunday at 7 pm (JST):






That said, not every type of show is for everyone and that's fine.



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Hyoen is hard to find on YouTube indeed. Perhaps they have enough audience in Japan... I think all sorts of conceptual shows are interesting, and it's good to hear that producers gain from experience.
On this thread, some newer Hyoen videos have been added in the post above!
 
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Apologies, I had to fix some of the links. They should all be working now.
Finally, I had time to watch the videos...

This is the first time I saw any excerpts from 2021 production and, honestly, there was one word that instantly leapt to my mind and this word was [deep breath] COVID.

When I boasted to @Isk that Hyoen productions kept growing better, I completely forgot about the pandemics. After I remembered, I looked up the archived thread about the 2021 show (it's a very short thread rather about the Mirror scene than about the whole show) and got the confirmation: yes, the production was affected. Sorry, my bad. The Myth of Narcissus was not a step up production wise when compared to 2019. It was rather a cautious step back in a manner of an "artistic pause" or so :laugh:

Regardless, I'll indulge myself and talk a bit about the pieces that have been kindly shared here.

I'll start with Akiko's floor dancing scene:
Akiko dancing with Reon Yuzuki in a Takarazuka style floor dance number:

I didn't know about Takarazuka revue and now I realize that it was the missing link in my knowledge about this production.
Initially, the 2021 project confused me a lot. Earlier, the whole Hyoen series had been about exploring the ice-friendliness of Japanese cultural heritage. The producers always felt very much on the mission about it and I believe that this created an important psychological effect on the Japanese audience. In Japan, the skating as such is an imported good with a great big question mark regarding its true necessity. Even science has been brought up to answer this question. I remember having seen references to a study about the physique of Japanese women which is reportedly very suitable for the sport of figure skating. But how about the shows? Is Japanese culture equally suitable for ice shows? I always thought that Hyoen series meant to explore the answer to this question.

And then, a bummer: what, a Greek myth? In this series? Why? Should I even watch? (I didn't.)
Only now, in the context of Takarazuka revue, I can see the complete meaning that Japanese audience probably spotted at once.
Back when Takarazuka revue was founded in 1913, an all-girl revue was considered a very Western type of entertainment. That was the very idea behind starting an all-female dance company as opposed to the traditional all-male kabuki theatre. Also, the Western culture in general looks very narcissist when compared to Japanese values. After putting this together, I got the idea of a very Japanese journey in the narcissist space of human soul in form of Greek myths and (sometimes) Takarazuka revue.
I'm guessing that the actual Greek myth was changed to create an original story that would serve this purpose but... @synesthesia I think I need your proper knowledge yet again. Am I guessing right? Or, what was the show really about?

Anyway, whatever the story was, it apparently included (ended with?) a happy marriage. Except, there was Covid...
I liked the solo dance routine and Akiko indeed transferred her emotions. But the choir was a disappointment (understandably so but still). This scene screamed for a glamorous Moulin Rouge corps de ballet but unfortunately the production gave us just a few monochrome background dancers. I liked how the floor dancers' choir got replaced by skaters in the end, which added intensity but still... This scene started to scream for a lavish carousel from old Hollywood musicals even more because of that. So, this is my verdict: I'm positive towards the idea but my insides keep screaming for a proper full-scale remake!

(Oops! It's getting late. I'll write about other videos next time!)
 
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