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2024-25 Canadian Figure Skating

I looked for, and failed to find, how the countries are chosen for WTT.

From this, it looks like you know! Could you post a link or instructions on how to find this? 🥺
They haven't posted the announcement yet for the event this year, so I had to go onto Internet Archive to find the 2023 announcement.

On the second page, under Basic Event Format and Qualifying System:

"b) Six (6) ISU Members will qualify based on the scoring scale used for the ISU World Standing points (see applicable scale in sub-paragraph e) below) scored by its best 2 Women Single Skaters, best 2 Men Single Skaters, the best Pair and the best Ice Dance Couple primarily at ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events and Final season 2022/23 and the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2023, plus possibly the ISU European
Figure Skating Championships / ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2023, the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2023 and ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating season 2022/23"

and

"d) For the purpose of the ISU World Team Trophy Qualifying System, the basis is to attribute to each ISU Member points according to the scale below (sub-paragraph e) on the basis of the two best results (the highest number of points earned) of two different Single Skaters Men, of two different Single Skaters Women, of one Pair and of one Ice Dance couple at each of the two (2) groups of ISU Events listed below (the applicable Events):

i) in one of the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating individual events or Final (senior) season 2022/23. If Skaters/Couples of an ISU Member have not obtained points in the above-mentioned ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating individual events and Final (senior) season 2022/23, then the best result in one event of the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating individual events (only in individual events but not the Final) season 2022/23 can be considered.

ii) in the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2023. If Skaters/Couples of an ISU Member have not obtained World Standing points in the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2023, then it is possible to use the ISU European Figure Skating Championships 2023 respectively the ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2023 and if needed the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2023.

It must be understood that in spite of the fact that the Qualified ISU Members for the ISU World Team Trophy can only participate with two Single Skaters each Women and Men, one Pair and one Ice Dance couple, for the ISU World Team Trophy qualifying system the highest number of World Standing points*) per discipline (Women, Men, Pair Skating/Ice Dance) earned at each of the two above-mentioned applicable Events will be used when cumulating the World Standing points*) earned per ISU Member. This means that more and different Skaters/Couples per ISU Member may contribute to the cumulative number of World Standing points*) per ISU Member. Practically, two to four different Single Skaters Women and two to four different Single Skaters Men (the maximum four different Skaters would be two different Skaters each at two Events) could contribute to the cumulative number of World Standing points*) per ISU Member. For Pair Skating and Ice Dance couples it could be one to two Pairs respectively one to two Ice Dance couples per ISU Member that could contribute to the cumulative number of World Standing points*) per ISU Member (the maximum two different couples would be one couple each at the two applicable Events)."
 
My ice princess ⛸️ 👑 was interviewed recently in Calgary, right after winning Canadian Junior Nationals.

See link below:


They mentioned she goes for 3A’s in practice and even landed some 👏

Also, they showed a clip of one of her successful 3A’s. It looked fully rotated to me. But, would get only a slightly positive GOE due to the landing. At Nationals, Kaetlyn mentioned all her 3A’s were q or <. I think she is now trying to master this jump and I think she is now fully rotating this jump. Only question is, how consistent is this jump for her?

I’m so happy to see how fierce this little Canadian warrior is. I heard from a little birdie, that once she is successful with the 3A, that they may try for the 4S next. But, health is a priority. So, they won’t really push for quads, as she needs to be healthy till 2034… 😔

The goal is to practice 3A. If she lands this jump with 3/4 of success in competitions, then, maybe he will give her permission to start training the 4S in a harness 😝. But, first she has to focus on just the 3A and they won’t add this to her jumping elements, until it is more consistent in practice. She is comparing herself only to what Koreans and Japanese are doing, at this moment and because only the 3A seems to be kept at Seniors, that is the priority. If they see an athlete like Mao Shimada or even Adeliya (1st Senior season) maintain a quad, like the 4T, for 4 or more seasons, then, she will try to learn a 4S more seriously.
It’s heartbreaking that she won’t be Olympics eligible until 2034. 😢
 
They haven't posted the announcement yet for the event this year, so I had to go onto Internet Archive to find the 2023 announcement.

On the second page, under Basic Event Format and Qualifying System:

"b) Six (6) ISU Members will qualify based on the scoring scale used for the ISU World Standing points (see applicable scale in sub-paragraph e) below) scored by its best 2 Women Single Skaters, best 2 Men Single Skaters, the best Pair and the best Ice Dance Couple primarily at ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events and Final season 2022/23 and the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2023, plus possibly the ISU European
Figure Skating Championships / ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2023, the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2023 and ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating season 2022/23"

and

"d) For the purpose of the ISU World Team Trophy Qualifying System, the basis is to attribute to each ISU Member points according to the scale below (sub-paragraph e) on the basis of the two best results (the highest number of points earned) of two different Single Skaters Men, of two different Single Skaters Women, of one Pair and of one Ice Dance couple at each of the two (2) groups of ISU Events listed below (the applicable Events):

i) in one of the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating individual events or Final (senior) season 2022/23. If Skaters/Couples of an ISU Member have not obtained points in the above-mentioned ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating individual events and Final (senior) season 2022/23, then the best result in one event of the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating individual events (only in individual events but not the Final) season 2022/23 can be considered.

ii) in the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2023. If Skaters/Couples of an ISU Member have not obtained World Standing points in the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2023, then it is possible to use the ISU European Figure Skating Championships 2023 respectively the ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships 2023 and if needed the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2023.

It must be understood that in spite of the fact that the Qualified ISU Members for the ISU World Team Trophy can only participate with two Single Skaters each Women and Men, one Pair and one Ice Dance couple, for the ISU World Team Trophy qualifying system the highest number of World Standing points*) per discipline (Women, Men, Pair Skating/Ice Dance) earned at each of the two above-mentioned applicable Events will be used when cumulating the World Standing points*) earned per ISU Member. This means that more and different Skaters/Couples per ISU Member may contribute to the cumulative number of World Standing points*) per ISU Member. Practically, two to four different Single Skaters Women and two to four different Single Skaters Men (the maximum four different Skaters would be two different Skaters each at two Events) could contribute to the cumulative number of World Standing points*) per ISU Member. For Pair Skating and Ice Dance couples it could be one to two Pairs respectively one to two Ice Dance couples per ISU Member that could contribute to the cumulative number of World Standing points*) per ISU Member (the maximum two different couples would be one couple each at the two applicable Events)."
I want to use several emojis iin my reaction : 😍 that you were able to provide it; 🤔 and 😮 because it was so complicated.

We already know our GP points for this year's selection (and they ain't pretty)
men : 213 for Aleksa + 164 for David B or Anthony (JGP)
women: 292 for Maddie + 191 for Kaiya
pairs: 400 for Deanna & Max
dance: 583 for Marjorie & Zack

Notes:
We can count JGP men because Alaksa was only Canadian man to earn points in GP. Stephen participated, but didn't earn points, so I think he doesn't count.
Other men withdrew.

Marjorie and Zack count instead of Piper and Paul because GPF is worth more than ordinary GPs and Piper/Paul had a disastrous GPF.
 
For championship points, it will be easy:

for men and women:
most likely:
points from skater at Worlds + points from best (not at Worlds) finisher at 4CC
worst:
if skater at Worlds fails to earn points, points from 2 other skaters at 4CC

for pairs and dance
points from best finish at Worlds
 
I want to use several emojis iin my reaction : 😍 that you were able to provide it; 🤔 and 😮 because it was so complicated.

We already know our GP points for this year's selection (and they ain't pretty)
men : 213 for Aleksa + 164 for David B or Anthony (JGP)
women: 292 for Maddie + 191 for Kaiya
pairs: 400 for Deanna & Max
dance: 583 for Marjorie & Zack

Notes:
We can count JGP men because Alaksa was only Canadian man to earn points in GP. Stephen participated, but didn't earn points, so I think he doesn't count.
Other men withdrew.

Marjorie and Zack count instead of Piper and Paul because GPF is worth more than ordinary GPs and Piper/Paul had a disastrous GPF.
There is usually someone who posts a chart on wiki showing where nations stand...
 
There is usually someone who posts a chart on wiki showing where nations stand...
And thank goodness for that. It wasn't too bad to do Canada, but I wouldn't want to do all rival countries. Could just give 100,000 points to Japan and USA; they will surely top the standings.

I couldn't find the chart (or rules) on Wikipedia, but maybe I wasn't looking in the right place.
Edit to add:
now I found it for 2023. It was at end of article (not beginning, where I think it would logically belong). No 2025 article on Wikipedia yet.
 
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And thank goodness for that. It wasn't too bad to do Canada, but I wouldn't want to do all rival countries. Could just give 100,000 points to Japan and USA; they will surely top the standings.

I couldn't find the chart (or rules) on Wikipedia, but maybe I wasn't looking in the right place.
Maybe they haven't yet posted...
 
Current WTT qualification standings after the GP (based on my own calculations & the assumptions that the 2023 rules will not change this year):
  1. Japan - 3604
  2. USA - 3573
  3. Italy - 2654
  4. France - 2041
  5. Canada - 1813
  6. Georgia - 1587
(Close behind are Germany (1401), South Korea (1373), China (1240), Great Britain (1100) and Switzerland (1091))
 
Current WTT qualification standings after the GP (based on my own calculations & the assumptions that the 2023 rules will not change this year):
  1. Japan - 3604
  2. USA - 3573
  3. Italy - 2654
  4. France - 2041
  5. Canada - 1813
  6. Georgia - 1587
(Close behind are Germany (1401), South Korea (1373), China (1240), Great Britain (1100) and Switzerland (1091))
Ok. So, we easily qualified? 😜
 
Ok. So, we easily qualified? 😜
It'll be hard not to qualify at this point. Since all the women will make the free at 4CC and only one man will not make it there, Canada will pick up points there. Those points are worth more than the Junior Worlds points that some of the other countries will be relying on since they only have one entry at Europeans/Worlds.
 
It'll be hard not to qualify at this point. Since all the women will make the free at 4CC and only one man will not make it there, Canada will pick up points there. Those points are worth more than the Junior Worlds points that some of the other countries will be relying on since they only have one entry at Europeans/Worlds.
Sure but not all entries earn points do they?
 
Sure but not all entries earn points do they?
If they don't make the free, they don't earn points. Since there are 25 men and 22 women at 4CC this year, it will be very hard for Canada to not earn points if only one man does not qualify for the free skate.
 
If they don't make the free, they don't earn points. Since there are 25 men and 22 women at 4CC this year, it will be very hard for Canada to not earn points if only one man does not qualify for the free skate.
I understand.. points must be low for outside top ten.
 
Ok. So, we easily qualified? 😜
That's just half the points (GP/JGP). The other half come from Worlds, 4CC/Europeans, and Jr Worlds, in that order.

If, for instance, one man gets points at Worlds and one or more man gets points at 4CC, we wouldn't be able to count JR Worlds points, even if they are higher. Similarly, if our singles skater at Worlds gets even one point, that would count, even if we have 2 skaters in the same discipline with more points from 4CC.
 
Below is the distribution of points for WC, Euros/4CC and WJC. It may help some understand how the rest of the season will unfold. Canada at this point, with their 4th place and with their direct competition slightly above and below from Europeans is indeed at an advantage because the fields are stronger at 4cc in singles but perhaps a bit less deep than what their Europeans competitors will deal with. So pretty much, all our skaters should make points being in top 24.. Mind you, finishing below top 8 means less points than a GP win. So it's not by finishing 20-24 that Canada will rack up the points. Alternatively, if one of our junior skaters did better than our seniors at 4CC, those points may count... At worlds, the points are higher but the drops from rank to rank are proportionally higher, and yes, there is a chance some of our skaters may not score well at worlds.

Now, I don't remember if a skater earning 400 at 4CC but only 200 at WC gets to keep their 400 or has to use the 200... This is something I am no longer sure about.

Distribution of Points


PlaceWC/OWGEC/FCWJC
11200840500
21080756450
3972680405
4875612365
5787551328
6709496295
7638446266
8574402239
9517362215
10465325194
11418293174
12377264157
13339237141
14305214127
15275192114
16247173103
1722215693
1820014083
1918012675
2016211368
2114610261
221319255
231188349
241067444
 
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I checked the qualification table for 2023, Adam Siao Him Fa's European points were overwritten with his World's points.

So it goes Worlds points, if no Worlds then 4CC/Europeans, then Junior Worlds if no 4CC/Europeans. I think the only country where the Junior Worlds points would help would be China for Pairs.
 

Saskatoon for SCI next season, and Gatineau for Nationals 2026. I was close about it being Ottawa.
Gatineau means I am most likely going !!! WOOT !!!!

Saskatoon is an option too for me... but i am not sure ... depends on the dates (i have seen the dates but I don't know my life yet LOL)
 
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