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Well true, and she keeps her goals most of the time. BUT, someone said that Mao said she'd only do 2 triple axels if she felt comfortable with it.. A part of me thinks that 2 triple axels will be like Miki's quad.
I thought that camel was called the Button Camel, suggesting he invented the position...
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The first skaters I remember using this spin were Tonya Harding and Josse Chounaird of Canada (1:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj0PSw9NqHg), but there are other skaters who are/were capable of doing it (Akiko Suzuki, Caroline Zhang, some novice/junior skaters). According to Wikipedia, this spin was actually named after Tonya Harding, but the name didn't quite stuck (perhaps because of the scandal that Tonya was involved in and subsequent loss of popularity).
Re: ynkgraceonice: Mao spent a lot of time working on her jumps and I have to say that in the practice at least they look superb. I've seen her turn out of her Lutz once, but the take-off was not flutzed in the least.
If she had enough time to work on 3Lz, 3S, 3A-3T, 'Tano Toe-loops AND new spins positions, then all the better for her.
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I just hope the girl doesn't hurt yourself trying to get two in. I think it's an incredible feat for her to have just one 3A in a program!
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Layovers have been done by a LOT of skaters, not just Yu Na Kim. One of the adult skaters I admire the most can do it out of her flyng camel and has been doing so for a lot longer than it's been a feature under IJS = at least since 02 that I've known her. It was borrowed from roller skating.
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Yu-Na is definitely not the originator of the layover camel. I remember seeing Nicole Bobek do that back in 1995-1996. It was in her Evita program I believe. Interestingly enough, she didn't do it post-1996 as this was the point in her career that she injured her back, which isn't surprising because that move looks like it would cause back injury. I hope Mao and Yu-Na are careful.
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And some roller spins are TOTALLY amazing!
I was floored by the speed and positions in some of the spins!Mao's got a 3axel/3toe. Ito the undisputed Queen.
Why the irony I wonder? Nobody blinks an eye when men plan quads.
Mao rarely mentions something if she's not ready to try it. Most often the new things she tries are a surprise (like two 3-3's at last GPF).
I doubt it will be ever a constant element in her programs. But I think that she'll try it at least once to challenge herself (like with two 3As at 2005 Nationals). She said that it's the last year before Olympics, so it's the last occassion to try new things.
That's the typical Korean nationalistic spin. Korean media also claims lots of ancient Chinese inventions came from Korea. In fact, there's lots of tension between the nationalistic Chinese and Koreans because of this sort of dispute.- Joined
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I think the reason why some people wants to name her spin after her is that she has been doing it consistently throughout her career as well as very beautifully in her program. She has done it in every season, if I am correct, from 2004.
I don't know how a certain technique is named after a skater, but if someone call a similar spin as a Button camel or Harding camel, I think she also is doing it so well to deserve the name, at least to her fans.
The spin shouldn't be named after Yu-Na because she didn't originate it. Caroline Zhang and others might do the Biellmann spin better than Biellmann herself did it, but who is the skill named after? Similarly, just because Yu-Na does the lay-over camel well, it doesn't mean it should be named after her. And who knows, there might have been lesser seen skaters who were doing the spin just as well, if not better, than her before she started using it in her programs. Probably no one does an Ina Bauer better than Shizuka, and the element is probably more associated with her than it is with Bauer herself, but the move isn't officially named after Shizuka, now is it?
The Button camel et al. were just minor variations of the original skill (the camel spin), so maybe that's why those elements are named that way.
The Button camel et al. were just minor variations of the original skill (the camel spin), so maybe that's why those elements are named that way.
Another Takahiko picture:
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/photo/20081113-5267610-1-L.jpg
Some practice reports: Takahiko skated well. He wants to make the podium because if he places lower than 3, he won't make GPF. He feels pressured, but is determined
Mao said that because it's her first competition in such a long time, she feels quite nervous. She had a bit of problems with a few jumps, but otherwise skated well and was in good spirits.
The Japanese media are all over them... Makes me a bit nervous, especially for Takahiko, who has a history of cracking under pressure.
Actually Biellman wasn't the one who invented the Biellman spin - Karen Iten and Tatiana Moskvina did it before her. Similarily, Caroline named the pearl spin, but Jun-Eun Choi (sp?) did it before her.
I don't have problems with fans naming that variation after YuNa, as long as the credit is given also to those skaters who did this spin first. AND without making a drama every time some other skater does it (especially if it's even different variation). Do Dick Button fans cry every time a skater does a flying camel?
But personally, I'm more fond of the term "broken camel". Like "a pearl spin" it nicely describes how the spin actually looks like.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/photo/20081113-5267610-1-L.jpg
Some practice reports: Takahiko skated well. He wants to make the podium because if he places lower than 3, he won't make GPF. He feels pressured, but is determined
Mao said that because it's her first competition in such a long time, she feels quite nervous. She had a bit of problems with a few jumps, but otherwise skated well and was in good spirits.
The Japanese media are all over them... Makes me a bit nervous, especially for Takahiko, who has a history of cracking under pressure.
Actually Biellman wasn't the one who invented the Biellman spin - Karen Iten and Tatiana Moskvina did it before her. Similarily, Caroline named the pearl spin, but Jun-Eun Choi (sp?) did it before her.
I don't have problems with fans naming that variation after YuNa, as long as the credit is given also to those skaters who did this spin first. AND without making a drama every time some other skater does it (especially if it's even different variation). Do Dick Button fans cry every time a skater does a flying camel?
But personally, I'm more fond of the term "broken camel". Like "a pearl spin" it nicely describes how the spin actually looks like.
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No Irony, I was being serious. As for the wow, Mao's the only woman performing such feets. I know Mao likes to challenge herself and normally doesn't suggest something unless she plans on doing it. But at the end of 2007 season she was saying that she'd go back to trying quads, and that didn't pan out....Although two triple axels is in the realm of possibility with her.
I actually hope she doesn't do it if it's not consistent, it's an unnecessary risk.
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I remember reading an article about ladies performing the triple axel in competition. The actual number of ladies who have done it successfully is very low; like 6 or 7.
In that case, maybe they named the spin after Biellmann because it was never really clear who exactly did the spin first? Maybe the skater who first did it was never verified, so they went with the skater who started doing it consistently in competition (Biellmann)?
If it is known who first did the element officially in competition and what not, my personal belief is that is who the skill should be named after. If it is uncertain who did the skill first or details are murky, then I can see why they would go with the person who popularized it. But if the originator is known, they should go with the originator, IMO.
In Yu-Na's case, it is amply clear she wasn't the one who did the lay-over camel first, as others have pointed out other high-profile skaters who were doing the skill before her.
If it is known who first did the element officially in competition and what not, my personal belief is that is who the skill should be named after. If it is uncertain who did the skill first or details are murky, then I can see why they would go with the person who popularized it. But if the originator is known, they should go with the originator, IMO.
In Yu-Na's case, it is amply clear she wasn't the one who did the lay-over camel first, as others have pointed out other high-profile skaters who were doing the skill before her.
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yup.. Josee Chouinard comes to mind
Kurt Browning, IIRC, has done it in the past as well...
I must be overly sensitive, then.
She had a growth spurt and an ankle injury and lost her 3A back then, it was something she could hardly foresee. I hope she's mostly done with those now... She's became taller than Mai.
I could see her trying it out at nationals, where she can possibly afford a mistake and still win.
Right now it's the most important to get a hold of the early season nerves.
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