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Chinese national championships

Women free and total results:

Jin Shuxian - TSS 139.77 Total Score 208.85 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248925783296664
Zhang Riuyang - TSS 128.72 Total Score 197.58 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248924061272202
Zhu Yi (Beverly) - TSS 125.99 Total Score 193.48 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248922136086799
Jin Chenxi - TSS 128.57 Total Score 191.55 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248916001920173
Gao Shiqi - TSS 126.68 Total Score 189.85 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248917581074433
Li Lutong - TSS 116.70 Total Score 179.89 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248920301082644
Yan Wanxin - TSS 119.00 Total Score 178.44 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248909761052689
Guo Xingyi (Ariel Guo, HKG) - TSS 116.08 Total Score 170.24 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248901755438260
Fang Jiaqi - TSS 112.37 Total Score 166.72 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248903689801604
An Xiangyi (Nini) - TSS 111.32 Total Score 164.54 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248893367616651
Chen Hongyi - TSS 108.91 Total Score 163.36 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248906150811060
Pang Qingyu - TSS 106.36 Total Score 159.74 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248894637183740
Wang Yihan (Coco) - TSS 96.91 Total Score 159.67 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248911796345844
Mo Tong - TSS 105.70 Total Score 157.32 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248890592824404
Dai Ziying - TSS 105.19 Total Score 155.19 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248881554358763
Li Yuhan - TSS 103.12 Total Score 153.94 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248886717546757
Xu Wandi - TSS 95.33 Total Score 151.28 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248907906911821
Sun Wanyi - TSS 97.41 Total Score 147.68 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248885161460378
Liu Jintian - TSS 94.89 Total Score 146.47 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248888501965316
Zhu Ruoyun - TSS 89.39 Total Score 136.57 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248871100060035
Lu Yuechen - TSS 87.64, Total Score 136.10 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248877374475288
Wang Yining - TSS 82.43 Total Score 129.67 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248873107030951
Su Yi (Joanna So, HKG) - TSS 75.25 Total Score 123.73 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248879526413639
Zhou Zijun - TSS 75.60 Total Score 123.51 https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5248875082552812

That's it, I guess. No suprises regarding the olympic team.
 
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cocteautwin said:
I have very mixed feelings. On the one hand, it's great to see so many young skaters in China (and young coaches), future looks promising. Figure skating in China is defenitely in development phase and the generation change is coming. On the other hand, it's weird and a bit unserious to see 30yo atheltes to compete against so many kids (even 9 and 10yo) at natonial championship level competition of an olympic sport.
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Absolutely agree. It's especially ridiculous because these Novice skaters aren't even allowed to compete as Juniors, but somehow competing as Seniors is perfectly fine. I'm not entirely against some Juniors competing in Seniors, for example, if they become internationally Senior-eligible in the following season (like in Russia) or in small federations with very few competitors for either age level, but Novices have no place among skaters so much older than them.
cocteautwin said:
Pairs: some of those teams made me feel uncomfortable watching them (I mean age and body size difference). One team literally made my stomach sick. Why are coaches/parents/adults putting those young people in such a situation? It looks awful and they have to deal with a lot of negative comments in addition.
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All of the very uncomfortable teams age-difference-wise come from one coaching team - Tianci Zhang's (张天赐). All his teams have 7+ years of age-difference, more than even internationally allowed at the ages of these athletes. For the older male partners, short-term "success" may be the goal in order to allow for easier entrance to top universities, but the parents of the female skaters seem to be genuinely under the impression that this coach is the best thing to ever happen to their daughters and that they will only have immense success in sports under him - Despite there being no indication at all of that being the goal of this coach. To me, he seems to want attention and doesn't mind doing crazy and unethical things to get it. For example, one of the girls training under him did a 5Tw (yes, you read right, quint twist) with a 10+ years older (Russian) partner a little while ago.
The two teams he had here are Youmei Sun / Zhiyu Wang (almost 8 years age-difference, 4th) and Xinze Li / Mingda Li (7-year age-difference, 8th)
cocteautwin said:
The score were another level of absurdity even for national scoring standards. OK, homecooking at nationals is common but 1) nobody will take it seriously anyway, it will only bring more critisism 2) it doesn;t bring any reliable feedback to those athletes - are those olympians really +5 skaters at the moment? high 9s in PCS with mistakes? They have only few weeks of work, wouldn't it be better to show them what needs to improve? Same goes for the young athletes.
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Chinese scoring is literally the worst case of domestic inflation of any country, in my humble opinion. Especially for those chosen as the "leaders", like Sui / Han or Wang / Liu. Best to ignore the scores and just focus on the rankings.
 
Also, if you are able to find the protocols for the Junior Women's Free Skate from Junior Nationals, I'd be very grateful - The Chinese fed has uploaded everything else from Junior Nationals on their website, but not that document.
 
Jumping_Bean said:
Absolutely agree. It's especially ridiculous because these Novice skaters aren't even allowed to compete as Juniors, but somehow competing as Seniors is perfectly fine. I'm not entirely against some Juniors competing in Seniors, for example, if they become internationally Senior-eligible in the following season (like in Russia) or in small federations with very few competitors for either age level, but Novices have no place among skaters so much older than them.
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I thing there should be quota of juniors at senior nats (like in Japan). I'm not against inviting the best juniors to senior nats - good learning experience for them and also exciting for the audience but they should not dominate the event. As for novice skater, the same- some quota of the best could be invited to junior nats.
 
cocteautwin said:
I thing there should be quota of juniors at senior nats (like in Japan). I'm not against inviting the best juniors to senior nats - good learning experience for them and also exciting for the audience but they should not dominate the event. As for novice skater, the same- some quota of the best could be invited to junior nats.
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I think the problem is that the Chinese National Championships are literally one after the other. Junior Nationals is the week after Novice Nationals and there's a week or so between Junior Nationals and Senior Nationals. Some skaters chose to compete in two of them anyway, but I guess it's easier to prepare for that sort of schedule if you know way ahead of time than if you unexpectedly finish in the top 6 (for example) and are then invited to Junior or Senior Nationals.
 
Jumping_Bean said:
I think the problem is that the Chinese National Championships are literally one after the other. Junior Nationals is the week after Novice Nationals and there's a week or so between Junior Nationals and Senior Nationals. Some skaters chose to compete in two of them anyway, but I guess it's easier to prepare for that sort of schedule if you know way ahead of time than if you unexpectedly finish in the top 6 (for example) and are then invited to Junior or Senior Nationals.
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This is probably why we didn't see Xuanqi ZHANG / Wenqiang FENG here
 
labgoat said:
How old is she - isn't there some restriction since she is likely doing junior worlds?
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She's 15, turning 16 in March, so she has one more season after this one until she turns Sr eligible internationally.

I do think her likely going to Jr Worlds was a factor, but more like in a "I don't have to prove myself again and can take some time off instead of doing Sr Nationals" way, just like Zhang/Feng, who won their Jr Worlds spot at the JGPF.
 
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Kind of off topic - I was watching Cong Han in the lifts and realized he has really short arms for a pairs guy. Since he isn't going to grow any longer arms, it seems a bit unfair of the judges to expect him to get Sui higher above his head since his arms are just not long enough.
 
labgoat said:
Kind of off topic - I was watching Cong Han in the lifts and realized he has really short arms for a pairs guy. Since he isn't going to grow any longer arms, it seems a bit unfair of the judges to expect him to get Sui higher above his head since his arms are just not long enough.
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He's realy exeptional pair skater considering how much shorter he is than an average male pair skater. Even at this championship, he's much shorter than other guys on the podium.
 
Jumping_Bean said:
All of the very uncomfortable teams age-difference-wise come from one coaching team - Tianci Zhang's (张天赐). All his teams have 7+ years of age-difference, more than even internationally allowed at the ages of these athletes.
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Has he coached any team to achive any kind of success on international level so far?
 
all above videos added to the grid

still searching for the following
- one SR RD missing...Xiaoxi LI / Yueyang WANG
- only 3 junior dance teams?? maybe
Xiuci LI / Shanyu DENG?? Yutong WANG / Pintian WANG??
- several Jr Men SP & FS missing - Jiarui LI among top 5, there were 21 boys
- two Sr Man SP missing Guangye ZHAO, Haoze YU
- seeking YiShen's last name - YI Shen is her name
-some Sr men FS - Boyang JIN, Ruiqi MEG, Yihe SUN
 
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labgoat said:
all above videos added to the grid

still searching for the following
- one SR RD missing...Xiaoxi LI / Yueyang WANG
- only 3 junior dance teams?? maybe
Xiuci LI / Shanyu DENG?? Yutong WANG / Pintian WANG??
- several Jr Men Free missing Jiarui LI among top 5, apparently there were 21 boys
- two Sr Man SP missing Guangye ZHAO, Haoze YU
- seeking Yishen's last name
-some Sr men FS - Boyang JIN, Ruiqi MEG, Yihe SUN
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All junior performances from the junior natiolans are uploaded here: https://space.bilibili.com/207605985/upload/video
Yishen - I believe her family name is Yi and given name Shen, so it should be Yi Shen (I'm not sure though, I'm not Chinese and have very little knowledge about mandarin language)
I'll try to find missing senior videos later.
 
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