2026-27 Canadian Figure Skating
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Didn't they notice that Desroches/Thrasher missed even 4CC test (by a hair) in their Senior debut. Does that mean they consider teams like D/T not worthy of any assignments? That's nuts.They now expect skaters to get the WORLDS minimum on their first assignment?That is harsh!!! And of good way of stopping skaters from developing. It is more difficult for skaters to gain the CTES if they have less experience of international competition. How are skaters meant to gain that experience if they are only allowed to go out once?
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And some judging panels just mark lower or higher overall than at some other events. So a near-miss may not always depend on skating ability, but on how that panel marked everyone that time. Skating is expensive enough as it is without turning the result into a game of dice.
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Are the world minimums staying the same from last year? If yes, that is an interesting decision on behalf of the ISU considering they did take out a whole jumping pass for singles and depending on your new program layout that's a 5-10 point TES loss. If the goal for ISU is to decrease the amount of people going to Worlds, mission accomplished I guess.
I just watched the US junior cup so I can only look at how it will affect mens' singles as of now, but the change to 6 jumping passes is going to disproportionally impact those skaters without any ultra c jumps. Top 3 overall were those that were top 3 in the free. All had triple axel attempts. Because of repetition rules, the 3A allows for what I call "diabolical combos/sequences", those are 3+3+2 or 3+3+3, and I'm sure we'll see 4+3+3 and maybe even 4+4+3 in the future too. From what I am seeing in the scorecards, anyone who doesn't attempt a 3A in the free can only in addition to a 3+3 do a 3+2+2 with a 3T or 3S as the last solo jump, or another 3+Eu+3 but with a 3F or 3Lz instead of 3T or 3S. So without a 3A, you either have 9 jumps overall, but the last one is a 3S or 3T OR you do 8 jumps, but can do a 3F or 3Lz. From a mathematical perspective, I would go for a 3A because that ensures you have 9 jumps and can repeat another 3F or 3Lz. I think this applies to the women as well.
Originally, there were 10 jumps last year. With the elimination of the 7th jumping pass, that number goes down to 8 or 9 depending on the jump arsenal of the skater. That's why there is such a range in the TES loss. I can see highly technical skaters such as Ilia Malinin, Misha Shaidorov and Stephen Gogolev doing diabolical combos and sequences with minimal loss to their TES, but those that can't combine ultra c jumps in novel ways or even do ultra c jumps in general, will see more of an effect on their TES. I don't know how far ISU thought this through, but its not looking too good for the more artistic skaters.
Regarding Skate Canada's decision to not send skaters to more international competitions if they don't hit world minimums on the first attempt, I mean, if skaters are hitting the benchmark scores, they should have no problems attaining the world minimums. I'm of the opinion that the TES and PCS should be roughly 50/50 of total score on average. Take men for example, if you're getting 219 domestically, you should be able to clear 109 in TES cause that's roughly 50% of total score. Same thing with the new women's benchmark score, 88/169=52%. Pairs and ice dance gets more harsh in the ratio of TES world mins/total domestic score. They're at 57% and 60% of the total score coming from the TES. So Skate Canada should increase the domestic benchmark for those two categories if the world minimums stay the same and Skate Canada is serious about the one chance to get world minimums.
On that note, I hope that the 4CC/Euros and World TES minimums are going to be updated and will reflect the changes that have been made to all the categories.
I just watched the US junior cup so I can only look at how it will affect mens' singles as of now, but the change to 6 jumping passes is going to disproportionally impact those skaters without any ultra c jumps. Top 3 overall were those that were top 3 in the free. All had triple axel attempts. Because of repetition rules, the 3A allows for what I call "diabolical combos/sequences", those are 3+3+2 or 3+3+3, and I'm sure we'll see 4+3+3 and maybe even 4+4+3 in the future too. From what I am seeing in the scorecards, anyone who doesn't attempt a 3A in the free can only in addition to a 3+3 do a 3+2+2 with a 3T or 3S as the last solo jump, or another 3+Eu+3 but with a 3F or 3Lz instead of 3T or 3S. So without a 3A, you either have 9 jumps overall, but the last one is a 3S or 3T OR you do 8 jumps, but can do a 3F or 3Lz. From a mathematical perspective, I would go for a 3A because that ensures you have 9 jumps and can repeat another 3F or 3Lz. I think this applies to the women as well.
Originally, there were 10 jumps last year. With the elimination of the 7th jumping pass, that number goes down to 8 or 9 depending on the jump arsenal of the skater. That's why there is such a range in the TES loss. I can see highly technical skaters such as Ilia Malinin, Misha Shaidorov and Stephen Gogolev doing diabolical combos and sequences with minimal loss to their TES, but those that can't combine ultra c jumps in novel ways or even do ultra c jumps in general, will see more of an effect on their TES. I don't know how far ISU thought this through, but its not looking too good for the more artistic skaters.
Regarding Skate Canada's decision to not send skaters to more international competitions if they don't hit world minimums on the first attempt, I mean, if skaters are hitting the benchmark scores, they should have no problems attaining the world minimums. I'm of the opinion that the TES and PCS should be roughly 50/50 of total score on average. Take men for example, if you're getting 219 domestically, you should be able to clear 109 in TES cause that's roughly 50% of total score. Same thing with the new women's benchmark score, 88/169=52%. Pairs and ice dance gets more harsh in the ratio of TES world mins/total domestic score. They're at 57% and 60% of the total score coming from the TES. So Skate Canada should increase the domestic benchmark for those two categories if the world minimums stay the same and Skate Canada is serious about the one chance to get world minimums.
On that note, I hope that the 4CC/Euros and World TES minimums are going to be updated and will reflect the changes that have been made to all the categories.
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