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Crown and Poirier were lovely, but I guess that doesn't count.
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That's why it's called ICE-DANCE. Nobody really knows what really counts. And then at some point you think you understood something: the twizzles - they are important! But in the next competition one couple totally screws them up, still wins with huge marks and positive GOE on the twizzles and you are back to :scratch:
That's why I never watch it.
It counts to me. I thought they were fantastic!
Please take a look at the protocols before making such a broad declaration. They beat V/M on the TES clearly rewarding their clean skate. They still need some more speed, turn out and their edges can be loud at times. Still they placed fourth behind 2 top ten teams and their main rivals from juniors. Pretty good effort IMO. Keep in Mind that S/B placed 3rd largely because of their OD scores which really pulled them up.
I would not be surprised if all both S/B and C/P placed in the top 10 at Worlds considering the delicate health of of both D/S's and B/A. They match up very well with the middle of the pack European teams.
No I don't believe they were boosted at all. The dance itself was faster and smoother than Nats and they got a 94 there. As well, even though there were stumbles they weren't anything major. She put a foot down during the combo spin and she somewhat stumbled going into the diagonal sequence. But overall if you look at the program and it's difficulty they didn't really hinder the performance quality. So no, I think they deserved the scores that they got.
And people whining about Canadian bias need to shut it now because we didn't win. We didn't have two on the podium. There were 2 US teams on the podium.
It's sad when that's all you can go to...to explain why teams got such high scores. Maybe the judges saw something we didn't. For the most part, most of us are watching from a tv or computer screen and not live on ice front and center.
And people whining about Canadian bias need to shut it now because we didn't win. We didn't have two on the podium. There were 2 US teams on the podium.
It's sad when that's all you can go to...to explain why teams got such high scores. Maybe the judges saw something we didn't. For the most part, most of us are watching from a tv or computer screen and not live on ice front and center.
That must be it.
I'm glad they won though, in Canada! 
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the 94 they got at Canadian Nationals was VERY overscored. there were many obvious flaws in that program.
Me too! Love it! They looked so adorable, just hilarious! Love to watch Brian at the rink side when Yu-na' s skating too! He did the toe-pick I guess!
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Meryl and Charlie won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I told you I told you I told you!!!
I told you I told you I told you!!!
UPDATE: just wanted to let everyone know that IN just put up the entire FD, so anyone that missed anything can now watch! Yes, I'm definitely going to watch the first 8 couples I missed (lucky enough I got home in time to see the final 3).
Now that I've gotten all my business & paperwork taken care of, ate dinner, et al, I can now enjoy watching ALL of the FDs...aaahhh.
EDITED TO ADD: yesterday during the warmup I recall seeing a nasty fall by one of the couples, I think it was the 3rd couple from the USA. Kinda frightening with him going down like that.
Now that I've gotten all my business & paperwork taken care of, ate dinner, et al, I can now enjoy watching ALL of the FDs...aaahhh.
EDITED TO ADD: yesterday during the warmup I recall seeing a nasty fall by one of the couples, I think it was the 3rd couple from the USA. Kinda frightening with him going down like that.
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North America ice dancers RULE!!Davis & White were AMAZING in the FD, and totally deserved that score. I'm really happy they won. I'm a diehard V/M fan, but they made a few too many stumbles today, and they paid for it. I thought the judging of this entire event was fantastic. D/W and V/M both proved that they can be on the podium in LA next month. I'm feeling really optimistic for V/M, since they pulled off that FD really well considering the season that they've had. The program definately improved from nationals a few weeks back, so I'm hoping that it will be cleaner by the time worlds rolls along.
I was SO happy for Crone/Poirier and Weaver/Poje, too. They both nailed their dances tonight. I was worried about C/P a little bit after their shaky FD at nationals, but they proved that mental tougness is no problem for them with that FD.
Weaver/Poje probably impressed me the most. They've really struggled the last few seasons, but between their FD at nationals and their performances here, I think they're really on fire now. It's a shame that they have to miss worlds, but C/P seem to be in great shape, so hopefully (fingers crossed) these two won't have to battle for one Olympic spot. I think it's just a matter of time before Weaver/Poje break out. Their unison, speed an expression (particularly Andrew's) have improved a thousand fold. I don't think that this amazind FD was just a fluke. It's really great, too, to see that other people on this board have noticed the improvement as well.
OMG, now that I have seen the FD in its entirety I have to say that the Canadian couple of Weaver & Poje were my favorites ~ the music of Dr. Zhivago, their costumes, portrayal, lines, expression, were simply exquisite. This is the first time I have ever seen them, let alone their dance. IMHO they belong with the top 3. ***note: her attitude & physical appearance remind me exactly of Haley Mills from the movie "The Trouble With Angels"***
Besides them, no one else really impressed (not counting the medalists). It's easy to see why the top 3 are the top 3.
By the way, I didn't realize that today when I got home I had only seen 1/2 of Virtue & Moir's FD, but tonight I got to see it all on replay. I love the Pink Floyd music that began in the second half, not the first half. Still, I take my hat off to anybody that dances to rock/hard rock/disco, it takes a lot of guts & self-confidence, which this couple has in spades, not to mention they have the ability to really interpret & dance to it!
On a purely aesthetic note, I love the look the taller, long-legged ice dancers have, in particular Weaver's breathtaking split in the lift, Virtue's arabesque, and Samuelson's "dove" move, which is similar to Virtue's, but more innovative wherein Bates is holding her while she she hits this exquisite position not only with her leg but also her hand ~ lovely. And of the three, I agree with Tracy Wilson, Emily has the *best* turn out of her free foot ~ she points that foot the same way Sasha Cohen does ~ like a ballerina. I've always been one to notice the legs first, which is why Sarah Hughes was also a favorite of mine, those double-jointed long aesthetically pleasing lines.
Lol, I wish Sameulson & Bates would steal Virtue & Moir's on ice half-split move, however I would like S&B to do a complete split on the ice together.
Besides them, no one else really impressed (not counting the medalists). It's easy to see why the top 3 are the top 3.
By the way, I didn't realize that today when I got home I had only seen 1/2 of Virtue & Moir's FD, but tonight I got to see it all on replay. I love the Pink Floyd music that began in the second half, not the first half. Still, I take my hat off to anybody that dances to rock/hard rock/disco, it takes a lot of guts & self-confidence, which this couple has in spades, not to mention they have the ability to really interpret & dance to it!
On a purely aesthetic note, I love the look the taller, long-legged ice dancers have, in particular Weaver's breathtaking split in the lift, Virtue's arabesque, and Samuelson's "dove" move, which is similar to Virtue's, but more innovative wherein Bates is holding her while she she hits this exquisite position not only with her leg but also her hand ~ lovely. And of the three, I agree with Tracy Wilson, Emily has the *best* turn out of her free foot ~ she points that foot the same way Sasha Cohen does ~ like a ballerina. I've always been one to notice the legs first, which is why Sarah Hughes was also a favorite of mine, those double-jointed long aesthetically pleasing lines.
Lol, I wish Sameulson & Bates would steal Virtue & Moir's on ice half-split move, however I would like S&B to do a complete split on the ice together.
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Scot Moir wasn't himself the entire competition. He looked a little ill or he was carrying some bad news around. Anyone else think this? They were not at their best but still great.
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I watched the CBC broadcast, and it was reported that right after Tessa left the K&C, she walked straight to the doctor's office, bypassing all the reporters. She then said in a later interview that it was nothing too serious and that she just needed some ice to relieve the pain.
Only if others are so injured that they aren't at their best.
If everyone skates their best and worlds is "fairly" judged (whatever that means, since "fair" seems to mean different things to different people), than Davis/White at their best shouldn't even come close to touching Delobel/Schoenfelder or Virtue /Moir at their best. It would probably be over after the compulsory dance.
So the answer to a D&W win under a "fairly" judged competition is yes, but only if Del/Schoe and V&M, and probably a couple of other teams, are not near their best.
I heard she has not completely recovered, still have pain and required icing after skating. Not a good sign since she had surgery 3 months ago, it should be healed by now. I got bad feeling that the diagnosis might not be accurate.
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I think that in a fairly judged Worlds, D/W at this point will need other teams to have serious problems just to medal, let alone win. They're a good team but there are others who are better at this point, IMO.
The best way to figure this out is to look at what happened last year and try to figure the likelihood of D/W being able to do better than the team in question, assuming nobody makes major mistakes. So:
1. Del/Schoe: not a chance, unless Isabel doesn't recover from her surgery in time.
2. V/M: D/W just proved they can do it, but V/M were not near 100% at 4CC. So this would depend on what kind of shape they'll be in next month. If they're healthy - I can't see D/W finishing ahead.
3. K/N: absolutely not.
4. B/A: possible, but not likely.
5. F/S: definitely possible, and quite likely.
On the other hand, if Dom/Shab are there, you have to figure the judges will score them higher than D/W (even if many fans feel otherwise). Also, the two teams that finished right behind D/W last year are doing very well - P/B have improved since their disappointing performance at Skate Canada and have a very strong FD, and John and Sinead are finally getting some love from the judges.
So I think that realistically, D/W could finish anywhere from 4th the 7th - and might be able to contend for the bronze, but not unless others do badly.
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I agree with you. D/W have definitely brought the goods this season and really impressed me, but I'm not sure it's their time yet. Yes, they beat V/M here, and rightly so. I think that V/M's free dance was already leaps and bounds better than it was at Nationals just two weeks ago. That "Look Mom, No Hands!" lift is 1000 times better than it was at nationals! It was downright scary two weeks ago, but flawless yesterday! I think that they will have improved that free dance exponentially by the time tht Worlds rolls around. Will they be 100%? I don't know, but they'll be close. I really want to see a competition between the two Pink Floyds!!
