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You know, i think that D/W didnt show reall emotion yet too - they show expression on there faces, how Marina said them to do
For me Del/Sh, Kerrs show reall emotions and power
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Yes
You know, i think that D/W didnt show reall emotion yet too - they show expression on there faces, how Marina said them to do
For me Del/Sh, Kerrs show reall emotions and power
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Well, I think Tessa's just a trooper and I have to wonder if any and all bobbles from this team this year aren't due to her level of pain, plus, of course, the limited training time and the limited things they can safely do during that training time.
I think this might contribute also to the "mechanical" look that has been ascribed to their FD. It's hard to be fluid when you're skating with pain or extreme discomfort -- so hard to move naturally and not try to favor the injuries.
I'm not saying I'm panicking for this team, and I certainly have no insider info, I'm just guessing Tessa probably still has at least some level of discomfort.
I agree with you - i am really worry about her legs
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I just think Tessa is pushing herself too much. You can see that her edges are very unsteady in some parts and I'm starting to think it isn't only for the lack of training. She should have taken it more easy, there is no need for them to compete if she isn't ready. What's the point of competing knowing you're not at your best and that it hurts you? Because judging how quickly she took off her boots and went straight to get some ice on her legs, it must be really hurting her.
But well, I want to believe they know what they are doing and this won't affect Tessa's recovery in a negative way.
But well, I want to believe they know what they are doing and this won't affect Tessa's recovery in a negative way.
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I'm sure Tessa would have been cleared by doctors as well as her surgeons to resume skating. The two of them have said they can't afford to skip out the year before the Olympics. I think it a testament to how much going to the Olympics in their home country means to them - not to mention their goal of winning gold. It just shows how badly they want it and how tough Tessa is. I'm very proud of them and with 6 weeks to go until Worlds I absolutely can't wait to see them perform their Free Dance with more mileage in it! :yes:
Well put. I can't wait to see them either! Also, I really want to hear what the British Eurosport commentators say about them. I love watching Eurosport because I find the commentators more genuine. I don't think they pay as much attention to where skaters are from, probably because the only GB skaters worth commenting on are the Kerrs!
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haha I LOVE the British Eurosport guys too! They are the best commentators out there.
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ITA. D/W know the facial expressions but it doesn't show in their body movements which are just showing tech.Yes
You know, i think that D/W didnt show reall emotion yet too - they show expression on there faces, how Marina said them to do
For me Del/Sh, Kerrs show reall emotions and power
When a dancer's body is showing emotion, it reflects naturally on the face. No need to fake it, but it is better to fake it, if one doesn't feel it.
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It's funny. Someone mentioned that D/W were somewhat behind their music, and I too noticed that this time they were really taking time with each of their movements and showing emotion instead of the more fast-paced transitions I'm more used to seeing. Joe, I think it's a bit harsh to keep saying they lack emotion because it's obvious that it's something they've been working on since last year (I odn't think their 2007 FD was particularly expressive, but they have improved so much since), and I think we need to give them credit for their improvement. I agree with Meryl (I think it's her quote) that things have started to come together for them this year.
I agree with those that have said V/M's FD looks mechanical. I remember Tracy Wilson commentator remarking last year that their Umbrella's of Cherbourg FD was "pure dance" and that is what she loved about them. This year they seem to be focusing on showing an athletic, acrobatic style with less dance. Unlike teams like Khoklova/Novitski or Domnina/Shabalin, I don't think such a style suits them at all. Combined with Tessa's injury and the late start to the season, this FD might prove to be too ambitious for them.
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I don't feel that way at all about Davis and White. Agreed, at 4CC, they were more subduded, but at Nationals I felt as if they were pouring every emotion out onto the ice.
I see very good expressiveness in Virtue and Moir, but it is hard to compare them as the latter have a much different music choice and theme.
I know many people don't but I love Virtue and Moir's FD. True, they have yet to skate it cleanly, but i think it is excellent and will bring down the house if they can get rid of the mistakes. I agree that Tessa i s "a trooper" for skating the way she did with her pain. She has newfound respect from me!
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I think D/W show emotion just fine. Their expressiveness has greatly improved and their program isn't smaltzy in any way.
Having said that..let me say that I very much enjoy posting on skating forums but I don't put a great deal of stock in some of what is said, even my own posts are my opinion and feelings. I think most of us post in that way. (not trying to sound mean about it, I just mean that while I respect other folks' posts, I don't take it as gospel because everyone has their opinions and their comments are colored by their likes and dislikes, mine included.)
I prefer to listen to skaters and commentators that were skaters. Their opinions mean a little more to me as far as what's going on in the skating world. I respect Kurt Browning a lot and he said after D/W's FD that he totally bought into their expression and romantic feel of their program. I think that says a lot. He and Tracy were definitely pulling for V/M, so I think their comments on D/W were genuine and you could tell that they respected what D/W did out there. Yes, the scores were close, but there was no wuzrobbing for V/M. Kurt said it..they made mistakes at the wrong time..on key elements. Which can't be done if you expect to get the levels. I think their commentating was fair and it was nice (to this D/W fan) that D/W got the respect from the Canadians.
This has been a breakthrough season for them and I think some fans are going to be surprised at the amount of respect they are going to get at Worlds. I don't expect anything less for them.
Having said that..let me say that I very much enjoy posting on skating forums but I don't put a great deal of stock in some of what is said, even my own posts are my opinion and feelings. I think most of us post in that way. (not trying to sound mean about it, I just mean that while I respect other folks' posts, I don't take it as gospel because everyone has their opinions and their comments are colored by their likes and dislikes, mine included.)
I prefer to listen to skaters and commentators that were skaters. Their opinions mean a little more to me as far as what's going on in the skating world. I respect Kurt Browning a lot and he said after D/W's FD that he totally bought into their expression and romantic feel of their program. I think that says a lot. He and Tracy were definitely pulling for V/M, so I think their comments on D/W were genuine and you could tell that they respected what D/W did out there. Yes, the scores were close, but there was no wuzrobbing for V/M. Kurt said it..they made mistakes at the wrong time..on key elements. Which can't be done if you expect to get the levels. I think their commentating was fair and it was nice (to this D/W fan) that D/W got the respect from the Canadians.
This has been a breakthrough season for them and I think some fans are going to be surprised at the amount of respect they are going to get at Worlds. I don't expect anything less for them.
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ITA. Davis/White may not have had the same emotionally charged performance that they had at Nationals, but they've definitely come a long way, even just from the beginning of this season. I feel Meryl in particular really understands the music and grabs into it (especially in the OD. Again, the Nats performance was superior though). And I definitely wouldn't call Samson and Delilah smaltzy. Umbrellas of Cherbourg was smaltzy, S/D is not. Anyway, they've come a long way IMO. However, I'd like to see them use less familiar music-I think there is something to be said for the familiarity of music (or lack thereof) in the skating world. I really like when a skater takes music that is rarely used and makes it their own.
TinyMavy, I also agree re: Virtue/Moir. It took me a bit to warm up to it (just as it did with DelSchoes) but I love how it shows a completely different side to them. I even liked the transition into "Money," which I hated at Canadians. I'm so impressed with Tessa; she made mistakes but she's proven herself to be a real fighter and she and Scott will definitely be back stronger at Worlds.
On a different note, I absolutely LOVED Weaver/Poje's Dr. Zhivago and this was definitely their best performance of the season. They looked a lot stronger, so I'm hoping they really work hard this summer and come up with stellar dances because I would love to see them in Vancouver!
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This whole post was beautifully written and totally on target. Thank you for what you said.
You know watching V/M's Pink Floyd FD makes me wonder why Igor/Marina never thought to give such a similar modern rock theme program to B/A. I think it would have fit them like a glove performance-wise and was definitely within their personalities to interpret this type of music.
And I think I've managed to find the trick to V/M's no hands lift. If you watch closely, he gets her up there and once she finds her balance she kind of leans her knee against his back so it's not completely unsupported as it seems- very clever. I really like the lifts from both D/W and V/M this year- Igor/Marina are really pushing the lift creation for their teams. I think they took to heart the criticism they had previously of recycling lifts.
And on one final note, I really liked D/W's more controlled pacing of the FD. It really pulled me in. I felt like they were taking their time and really listening to the music and interpreting it as opposed to just skating through it which they sometimes do when they're competing and trying to "skate with attack." For me, it was the best performance they've given all season even more so than at Nationals.
I hope both teams have a successful Worlds competition.
And I think I've managed to find the trick to V/M's no hands lift. If you watch closely, he gets her up there and once she finds her balance she kind of leans her knee against his back so it's not completely unsupported as it seems- very clever. I really like the lifts from both D/W and V/M this year- Igor/Marina are really pushing the lift creation for their teams. I think they took to heart the criticism they had previously of recycling lifts.
And on one final note, I really liked D/W's more controlled pacing of the FD. It really pulled me in. I felt like they were taking their time and really listening to the music and interpreting it as opposed to just skating through it which they sometimes do when they're competing and trying to "skate with attack." For me, it was the best performance they've given all season even more so than at Nationals.
I hope both teams have a successful Worlds competition.
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The Eurosport team is excellent. I was watching US Nationals on ESPN the other day - I think it was Nancy Kerrigan + someone - and realized how lucky I am to get most of my figure skating coverage from ES. I also understood why people are having such a hard time understanding CoP in the US: nobody was even trying to explain how the elements were being scored and what the skaters were doing to get levels and GOEs.
