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For a minute I thought I was in Plushenko's thread. Did you hikjack this thread seniorita? 
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Caroline Zhang's 2009-10 season
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lol, what? but me I didnt even refer to his name in this thread!
i m grounded to speak only in plushy thread
I watched some more vids of caroline yesterday, she is still young but i think she has something of sasha and I hope she will be grand as michelle because I like her a lot, dont know much from the other little usa ladies though.
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Actually, Sasha was injury prone after that which is why he never reached his full potential and you called him "inconsistent". IIRC, he had a groin injury in 1987 at Worlds. Fabulous FIGURES skater. He teaches at one of our rinks around here and I love watching him teach his skaters step sequences because his foot quickness and edges are beautiful. We also talked him into jumping one morning. The man can still land 2A with no warm up in coaches' gear!
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LEO said:
Wordnet Princeton said:
You make it sound as if I have insulted him. But the dictionaries I have consulted on this all give me the impression that "inconsistent" is a word that can be used in every neutral context. Calling him inconsistent simply means that his performance level was not consistent on one level (in contrast to e.g. Plushenko), whatever the reason for it was. I did not say "he was inconsistent because he was lazy", I simply stated that he was not consistent, which is a perfectly neutral way of saying that there was a lot of variability to the level of his performances, regardless of the reasons for this variability.
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I think when applied to an athlete's performance, there is a slight negative vibe to the word "inconsistent." Not as bad as "erratic" or "unpredictable," but in the same family.
In other words, I think when we use the word "inconsistent" there is a little bit of the implication that the performer, for no particular reason, cannot be relied on -- as opposed to someone whose performances are of differing quality for an obvious and well-understood reason, such as injury.
Example: Alissa Czisny's
jumps are inconsistent. 
Something like that. 
In other words, I think when we use the word "inconsistent" there is a little bit of the implication that the performer, for no particular reason, cannot be relied on -- as opposed to someone whose performances are of differing quality for an obvious and well-understood reason, such as injury.
Example: Alissa Czisny's
jumps are inconsistent. Something like that.
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it is negative in that they didn't perform to their every ability - no matter what the reason - it's not an insult, it's an observation. *shrugs*
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Yes agree, and I think in medusa's use it was an observation/ recollection about a skater from 20 years ago.
"I think Sasha and Shizuka were known to be inconsistent at times."
"Mao was very inconsistent last season."
Are those remarks neutral observations or negative comments? Maybe it depends on further comments and then to view them in a more complete context.
Or it might depend on whether one is a fan of one of the skaters I mentioned - and how much of a fan.
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ITA, and I've also heard the reason why so many Russian skaters have good technique (i.e. no flutzing/lipping/etc) can be attributed to the Soviet system. In the bad old days of the USSR when skating lessons were paid for by the government, coaches could make their students do nothing but basic techniques like stroking for a year, and their parents could not complain as they weren't paying for the lessons. But in countries where parents paid for their children's expensive lessons, parents generally want to see accomplishments: double jumps! Triple jumps! They would less likely be willing to fork over 50 dollars an hour (or whatever coaching fees would be) just to see their child stroke around on the ice for a year, even if that meant the kid was learning the basic fundamentals of skating.
True, the Soviet system definitely had its drawbacks, but I would say that athletes were given very good incentives to succeed--think of what it's like in countries like China today: large cash prizes, fame, apartments, cars, government sponsorship, etc.
And tons of pressure from the very first moment. Countless children who break down under the pressure to succeed that come from their parents, coaches and the system itself. I'd very much prefer to sacrifice some basic skills for those children to have a happier childhood.
Yup, Nutcracker it is. And a clearer explanation of exactly what happened with her stolen skates: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090701&content_id=5637038&vkey=ice_news
Re: The Nutcracker - I love being right, although in this case I'd like to have been wrong.
Lots of photos of Caroline at the recent show:
http://web.icenetwork.com/gen/photogallery/year_2009/month_07/day_01/cf5637152.html
http://twitpic.com/8yl2b
Lots of photos of Caroline at the recent show:
http://web.icenetwork.com/gen/photogallery/year_2009/month_07/day_01/cf5637152.html
http://twitpic.com/8yl2b
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I guess she will be using the Pas De Duex. I can pitcure it now...pastel dress, hair in a ribboin-decorated bun holder.
I am a little dissiponted to be honest. When she announced her SP music I was very excited for her...I still think this is a branch in the right direction. The Nutcracker is very safe, very ballet. It will probably be a pretty program, and if she does not skate as slow (or slower than) the music the effect might actually be very good.
Still...
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I think when applied to an athlete's performance, there is a slight negative vibe to the word "inconsistent." Not as bad as "erratic" or "unpredictable," but in the same family.
In other words, I think when we use the word "inconsistent" there is a little bit of the implication that the performer, for no particular reason, cannot be relied on -- as opposed to someone whose performances are of differing quality for an obvious and well-understood reason, such as injury.
Example: Alissa Czisny's
Excuse me if I am a little protective of Sasha, he's a really nice guy and had reasons for not being as consistent as he was at his phyisical peak. Usually "inconsistent" is a polite way of saying "competitive head case"
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The pictures are from Saturday's show. That show took place earlier than Friday's so the meet and greet would have been in daylight. Friday's meet and greet was at night.
Caroline seems to have changed her dress as well. Friday's dress was white with blue and green patterns on it. She also complained about the mosquitoes on Friday.
Caroline seems to have changed her dress as well. Friday's dress was white with blue and green patterns on it. She also complained about the mosquitoes on Friday.
The photos are great. She looks long-limbed now, that's great for her lines. I wish there were videos of her skates at the show! Nutcracker is a little disappointing, but we guessed as much. Mao did very well with it, and showed that you can skate fast and powerfully to it. At least Caroline said she really likes it. That's the most important thing, since she's the one who has to train and compete with it.
Well, I'm really looking forward to seeing her next month at Golden West.
Well, I'm really looking forward to seeing her next month at Golden West.
Caroline seems to have changed her dress as well. Friday's dress was white with blue and green patterns on it. She also complained about the mosquitoes on Friday.
Well, she has a good fashion sense. I hope some of that will translate onto the stage. Maybe when she becomes an older, more mature skater, she'll have more say in her music and costumes.
Here are the dates for the 2009 Golden West Championships club competition in Culver City, CA: September 3-6 (Labor Day weekend).
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