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I think he should stay at home. He mention a lot of reasons. He has still pain, can´t jump flip or lutz and has problems to hold out a long program.
There are no questions anymore.

He need more time to pracise his programs with all elements.
That´s also healthier for him.

He is a champion and can win europeans without the frensh title.
 
when is french nationals?
Since federation had given him the place in advance why he should risk it?Although i can see he wants to have a skate before Euros. But he already has done Masters and 2 grand prix.
I hope he is better soon!
French nationals will be a masacre, is there a possibility that Amodio will be selected?
 
The article says he started doing quads again yesterday :eek: though i suppose for the take offs, toe-loops and salchows must be easier on the hurt right foot (along with the axel) than loop, flip and lutz. But he still has to land on the right foot which must be painful.

I'm still trying to work out how he hurt his foot doing a lutz, was it just in pulling the skating left foot in towards the right picking foot, the heal of the left blade pierced the right?

Presumably also he's had to get new boots and break them in which will no doubt be painful for his feet too?

All in the all the article does sound like he's completely torn and most of it is just psychological - going to nationals and doing well despite the injury would be a great boost, but if he goes and skates poorly (IMO the more likely of the two outcomes given how recently injured he is) then he will struggle to shake off the poor skate before Europeans and repeat the errors.

I suspect the psychological damage from this injury will be more of a problem that tn eh physical damage for Brian. As much as it pains me to say so I think head case Brian is going to ve showing up for the rest of the season.

This should be a no brainer - skip nationals let the foot heal that little bit longer and then get to work for the Europeans with allowances in the performance there for lost training time with a view to peaking at the Olympics. That has to be the best way forward.

Ant
 
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Very nice analysis Ant, totally agree with it. My biggest fear is the "head case" Brian for the rest of the season indeed. This roller coaster "should I or not" is a clear sign that head case Brian is emerging.. I really hope he won't compete here and get to Euros with a more positive and confident attitude. But then again if he falls apart there, that's another story. I think his ego was badly damaged from the last season (Im sure "haha how he fell flat on his face" comments all over didn't help either) and he's still trying to rebuild it.. Well, here's to hoping for the best..
As to the injury, I imagine that's how it happened but i read somewhere that it happened at landing, although I find it very hard to believe cos I think it would be very difficult to pierce the right boot with the left blade that way..

Well, hello Seniorita.. :biggrin::biggrin: The nationals are this weekend if I'm not mistaken, so it is clearly too early to compete, as most people here feel.
 
Very nice analysis Ant, totally agree with it. My biggest fear is the "head case" Brian for the rest of the season indeed. This roller coaster "should I or not" is a clear sign that head case Brian is emerging.. I really hope he won't compete here and get to Euros with a more positive and confident attitude. But then again if he falls apart there, that's another story. I think his ego was badly damaged from the last season (Im sure "haha how he fell flat on his face" comments all over didn't help either) and he's still trying to rebuild it.. Well, here's to hoping for the best..

I think Brian will be shaped by his first post injury competition which is even more reason to skip nationals because he hasn't had enough time to heal and train which could likely mean a poor showing at nationals. If the rest of the headcases happen to pull out good performances he could find himself in bronze or worse at nationals and that would surely not help his frame of mind going in to Europeans.

If he self destructs at Europeans having not competed at nationals he can chalk it up to whatever and pushforwards for the Olys. If he self destructs at Euros following a poor french nationals his Olympic fate will be sealed there and then.

As to the injury, I imagine that's how it happened but i read somewhere that it happened at landing, although I find it very hard to believe cos I think it would be very difficult to pierce the right boot with the left blade that way..

Ouch :eek: i think that would make it worse if it was on the landing. I can only guess if it happend in the landing it must have been that he didn't open up in time and was still in a tight backspin position when he landed and the left heal must have gone through the right boot. Psychologically that must be tough because you'd be tempted to open up really early to avoid such an injury again which might hamper the rotation of the jump.

Poor Brian - i hope he makes the right decision and is fully healed for the big competitions ahead.

Ant
 
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All in the all the article does sound like he's completely torn and most of it is just psychological - going to nationals and doing well despite the injury would be a great boost, but if he goes and skates poorly (IMO the more likely of the two outcomes given how recently injured he is) then he will struggle to shake off the poor skate before Europeans and repeat the errors.

I suspect the psychological damage from this injury will be more of a problem that tn eh physical damage for Brian. As much as it pains me to say so I think head case Brian is going to ve showing up for the rest of the season.

This should be a no brainer - skip nationals let the foot heal that little bit longer and then get to work for the Europeans with allowances in the performance there for lost training time with a view to peaking at the Olympics. That has to be the best way forward.
Very nice analysis Ant, totally agree with it. My biggest fear is the "head case" Brian for the rest of the season indeed. This roller coaster "should I or not" is a clear sign that head case Brian is emerging.. I really hope he won't compete here and get to Euros with a more positive and confident attitude. But then again if he falls apart there, that's another story. I think his ego was badly damaged from the last season (Im sure "haha how he fell flat on his face" comments all over didn't help either) and he's still trying to rebuild it.. Well, here's to hoping for the best...
I think it's too early to guess what will happen, and I don't know Brian Joubert well enough to speculate as to his emotional and mental state. What I do know is that Brian's a competitor who doesn't like to miss events, even events he should miss. Remember how awful he looked at 2008 Euros? Or the statement when he WD from TEB a couple of years ago? It was really sad. Unfortunately, he's been forced out of several events the past couple of seasons, and it must be difficult for him to accept. So this back and forth may owe to his brain telling him one thing and his heart telling him another. Also, he feels very responsible for promoting the sport, and he already missed Nats last year.

I'm not so sure it'll be headcase Brian from here on out, for two reasons: first, the NHK win was huge. Yeah, the men ended up disappointing, but he beat a really strong field and more importantly, he won the LP. He hadn't won an LP in ages and it was becoming a distraction for him. Second, the injury means he's focusing on rehab and his comeback and that might give him extra motivation - and less time to worry about other things. Isn't that what the L'Equipe article indicates? I think this roller coaster we're perceiving may be due to how the interviews are presented by the different journalists, rather than to Brian's own state of mind.

Finally, someone suggested that Brian, along with Laurent and DenStavs, may have made some changes to the programs and wants to get them looked at in a lower-pressure context.; they also need to sort out his jump layout (though that can't be accomplished since his repertoire is limited right now). But this might be another consideration. Brian did mention the possibility of doing a local test event in a few weeks instead.

Nationals are indeed this weekend. I hope Brian will do the right thing - whatever that may be ;).
 
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:clap::clap: The "grounded" optimist B as opposed to the eternal pessimist me.. :laugh::laugh:
I think as two Joubert fans we can agree that may it be you who wins the argument and proves right when the olympics come.. :agree::agree:

Btw, Im very curious what these changes are. It seems he is definetely rethinking his jumping strategy, which makes sense, as he has buffer to collect more points given the jump strategy we've seen so far (I'm excluding the watered down version in NHK of course)..

Ouch :eek: i think that would make it worse if it was on the landing. I can only guess if it happend in the landing it must have been that he didn't open up in time and was still in a tight backspin position when he landed and the left heal must have gone through the right boot. Psychologically that must be tough because you'd be tempted to open up really early to avoid such an injury again which might hamper the rotation of the jump.

Ant

Ant, I also think it would be very unlikely to repeat such a mistake especially since he would somehow have more control in the air to correct it than had it happened during take-off. I think the journalist who mentioned landing was wrong, it just does not make sense. In another article I read him being quoted as "to have been able to stop the jump or smth when the accident happened" indicating it happened during take-off. The explanation you gave as to how it happened clearly makes more sense to me..
 
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I'm still trying to work out how he hurt his foot doing a lutz, was it just in pulling the skating left foot in towards the right picking foot, the heal of the left blade pierced the right?

Presumably also he's had to get new boots and break them in which will no doubt be painful for his feet too?
Ant

That was how I figured it happened as well but I could see something similar happening on a fall if the free leg was still forward of the landing leg and the impact caused it to jab the heel into the tongue of the skate. The tongue is the thinnest part of the skate and the only place I can imagine being able to pierce. Either way it would not be a good idea to come back too soon as the reinjuring any repaired damage could ruin any chance of salvaging his season.
 
I am with you, B. I wish he could listen to us.:biggrin:

Me too... listen to us... see us... take a cup of coffee with us... No really, in all seriousness, I do hope he decides not to do French Nationals, and risk re-injuring or mess up the healing process.
 
Thanks for the good news, Medusa! :clap:

I am *so* glad that Brian is taking care of his body, and I believe that will pay off for him later on. :)
 
Somehow it seems like I'm always the one posting updates here... maybe because everyone is else is over in the Plushy thread? :biggrin: Anyway:

There was an AFP story with some comments from Laurent Depouilly, and it's good news :)
  • Brian will definitely go to Euros.
  • He's landed his first 3Lz since the accident, though there's still work to do on it.
  • Brian will skate in the Courchevel gala on the 22nd.
 
Somehow it seems like I'm always the one posting updates here... maybe because everyone is else is over in the Plushy thread? :biggrin: Anyway:

There was an AFP story with some comments from Laurent Depouilly, and it's good news :)
  • Brian will definitely go to Euros.
  • He's landed his first 3Lz since the accident, though there's still work to do on it.
  • Brian will skate in the Courchevel gala on the 22nd.

:rock::love:

Thanks! Your updates are very much appreciated!:agree:
 
Yes thanks Buttercup! When are the Europeans this year, since they usually are early-mid feb. I wonder if it is really smart for Brian to do Euros.. He will have to water down the program most probably and that might not be the best thing to have the judges see right before the olympics.
 
Yes thanks Buttercup! When are the Europeans this year, since they usually are early-mid feb. I wonder if it is really smart for Brian to do Euros.. He will have to water down the program most probably and that might not be the best thing to have the judges see right before the olympics.
Europeans will be held January 19th-24th - four weeks from now. It's been in late January for a while.

I believe the 3Lz was the last jump Brian wasn't training yet, so he should probably be fine for Euros, and the only issue might be stamina in the free skate. I'd look to his LP at Worlds 2007 as a possible blueprint, as it occurred one month after a similar injury. People always say it was watered down, but if you look at the protocol, it was actually quite good - a bit lower on the base mark than the other guys, but +GOEs on everything.

Brian's goal is to win Euros if he can but he's not aiming to be 100% in Tallinn, and it's important to remember that the other top contenders haven't been healthy, either. The Courchevel gala might not give a precise indication of where he is with the training, but I do think we'll have a better idea of what sort of shape he's in after seeing him perform there. I wonder if there will be any way to see it online?
 
Somehow it seems like I'm always the one posting updates here... maybe because everyone is else is over in the Plushy thread? :biggrin:

B, when you think you're alone at something, you should know you're doing something right! Besides, you know how I personally appreciate it ;)

Euros will be interesting with all the inconsistency and health problems we've seen so far. Anyone knows Eurosport schedule yet?
 
You do great job Buttercup, dont give up! One day Jouby thread will be as big as Plushy thread, it is just a newbie!;)
Voila, I came. :)
Whats the courchevel gala, a show?
 
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