Any Sasha updates?

[silverlake22]

10 days until the start of Nationals and Sasha has not yet withdrawn! :agree:

Um she's a diva. If she withdraws it will be the day of the ladies event, or after the SP if she does not do well. I feel bad though, if Sasha does show I think it pretty much takes Alissa out of the running . I can see the USFSA sending one lady who is expressive, flexible, artistic but struggles with the jumps, but not two. Maybe they would send two, but I really don't think that would be in the nation's best interest.

 

[gkelly]

if Sasha does show I think it pretty much takes Alissa out of the running . I can see the USFSA sending one lady who is expressive, flexible, artistic but struggles with the jumps, but not two. Maybe they would send two, but I really don't think that would be in the nation's best interest.

Even if we accept the premise that USFSA would choose to send only one lady who is expressive, flexible, artistic but struggles with the jumps, but not two, how do we know that Cohen would be the one chosen?

Wouldn't it depend on how they actually skate and place at Nationals?

I can imagine Cohen could earn higher PCS. Both do very well in spins and spirals, but I think Czisny would have a slight advantage there. Cohen might score better on steps.

So then it might come down to which jumps they land successfully. We know Czisny is inconsistent with her jumps. We have no idea what Cohen is capable of right now. I wouldn't presume to predict the outcome.

 

[miki88]

If she withdraws after the SP because she doesn't do well, then will the committee still send her??? That will be really ridiculous and unfair to the other skaters who worked so hard this year. And anyways, I don't think they should send Sasha, because she seems to always crumble due to pressure from what I've seen of her.

 

[silverlake22]

Even if we accept the premise that USFSA would choose to send only one lady who is expressive, flexible, artistic but struggles with the jumps, but not two, how do we know that Cohen would be the one chosen?

Wouldn't it depend on how they actually skate and place at Nationals?

I can imagine Cohen could earn higher PCS. Both do very well in spins and spirals, but I think Czisny would have a slight advantage there. Cohen might score better on steps.

So then it might come down to which jumps they land successfully. We know Czisny is inconsistent with her jumps. We have no idea what Cohen is capable of right now. I wouldn't presume to predict the outcome.

You are right. I am assuming that if Sasha shows she will win, which isn't a given considering no one has seen her skate competitively in 4 years. I am more just picturing a situation like last year, where say Alissa and Sasha both have great SPs then each only land 3 triples in the LP, if the judging is like last year, they could end up 1 and 2. If the judging was fair though, the girls landing more jumps would probably pull ahead and Cohen and Czisny could be more like 3rd and 4th. We don't know what's going to happen though, Czisny could hit all 6 triples and Cohen could not show up or land 7 triples (I have no clue what her jump layout is but yeah).

 

[Kwanford Wife]

Where did the idea originate that if she's not skating well, Sasha would pull out after the short program? Has she done this in the past and I'm just not aware? Has a front runner, outside of serious injury (ala Miki at Worlds), pulled out after the short because their skating was off and the win was not possible?

This has been bugging me for a couple of weeks, because it seemed to go from a joking comment to this idea of this being a possibility. Why is that? I'm not implying its not based on some insider information from Team Sasha but it reads more like fan-speak rather than factual-speak...

Given the already fever pitch of "will she or won't she?" - I understand all the speculation, I'm just looking for some actual factuals at this point.

 

[gkelly]

Has a front runner, outside of serious injury (ala Miki at Worlds), pulled out after the short because their skating was off and the win was not possible?

Butyrskaya after the qual round at 2002 Worlds.

Plushenko at 2005 Worlds? There was a serious(?) injury, but I don't think it got worse after the short program; I think he just decided there was no point in risking further damage by skating the long if he couldn't skate well enough to win.

 

[museksk8r]

If she withdraws after the SP because she doesn't do well, then will the committee still send her??? That will be really ridiculous and unfair to the other skaters who worked so hard this year. And anyways, I don't think they should send Sasha, because she seems to always crumble due to pressure from what I've seen of her.

No, under that hypothetical circumstance, Sasha Cohen would not be named to the Olympic team.

 

[janetfan]

I am more just picturing a situation like last year, where say Alissa and Sasha both have great SPs then each only land 3 triples in the LP, if the judging is like last year, they could end up 1 and 2. If the judging was fair though, the girls landing more jumps would probably pull ahead and Cohen and Czisny could be more like 3rd and 4th. We don't know what's going to happen though, Czisny could hit all 6 triples and Cohen could not show up or land 7 triples (I have no clue what her jump layout is but yeah).

I thought you were describing Yuna at SA. She had a great SP and then only landed 3 triples in her LP and looked a little shaky overall.

Somehow you don't mind if Yuna can land 3 triples and still win but for Sasha or Alissa to do the same bugs you?

I think you are showing how biased you are against Sasha and Alissa.
That's OK because I think many of us are biased.

 

[Figure88]

I thought you were describing Yuna at SA. She had a great SP and then only landed 3 triples in her LP and looked a little shaky overall.

Somehow you don't mind if Yuna can land 3 triples and still win but for Sasha or Alissa to do the same bugs you?

I think you are showing how biased you are against Sasha and Alissa.
That's OK because I think many of us are biased.

Must you bring up Yuna into this? Yes, she faltered in her LP in SA, but you seem to be defining her whole skating career by her poor performance there and use that as a weapon against her. This is the second time you brought her SA performance. Not to mention, your point about her SA LP is irrelevant to the thread and the point that poster was making.

 

[janetfan]

Must you bring up Yuna into this? Yes, she faltered in her LP in SA, but you seem to be defining her whole skating career by her poor performance there and use that as a weapon against her. This is the second time you brought her SA performance. Not to mention, your Yuna's point about her SA LP is irrelevant to the thread and the point that poster was making.

I thought it was very relevant and makes a very clear point.
FTR, I thought Yuna won SA, and I think it shows what a great skater she is that even when she is not close to 100% she is still very, very difficult to beat.

The poster I replied to has mentioned Sasha and Alissa landing fewer than 6-7 triples so many times I wanted to show her that there is more to skating and scoring points under CoP than just how many triple jumps you land.

 

[Kwanford Wife]

I thought it was very relevant and makes a very clear point.
FTR, I thought Yuna won SA, and I think it shows what a great skater she is that even when she is not close to 100% she is still very, very difficult to beat.

The poster I replied to has mentioned Sasha and Alissa landing fewer than 6-7 triples so many times I wanted to show her that there is more to skating and scoring points under CoP than just how many triple jumps you land.

There you go with that logic thing again...

(But because I can't let it go - I still think a 3/4 triple program is a shame and a sham... esp. when we start with: "she skated a perfect / superior / beautiful performance, despite the fall / watering down the content, etc.")

Gosh, I'll be glad when this season is over...

 

[Kwanford Wife]

Butyrskaya after the qual round at 2002 Worlds.

Plushenko at 2005 Worlds? There was a serious(?) injury, but I don't think it got worse after the short program; I think he just decided there was no point in risking further damage by skating the long if he couldn't skate well enough to win.

I forgot about that... granted, I was still nursing an "Olympics That Didn't Go The Way I Wanted" hangover...:yes:

And yes, I will be available for sufferers come February...

 

[Figure88]

@janetfan

Based on your post history, it seemed more like you saw an opportunity to take a jab at her and you took it.

I thought it was very relevant and makes a very clear point.
FTR, I thought Yuna won SA, and I think it shows what a great skater she is that even when she is not close to 100% she is still very, very difficult to beat.

Is this supposed to be another jab? Perhaps you're going to start a thread score overinflation or something?

 

[i love to skate]

@janetfan
Based on your post history, it seemed more like you saw an opportunity to take a jab at her and you took it.

oh please. Janetfan was simply pointing out that many skaters have done 3 and 4 triple programs this season - including YuNa. Can't a person make a simple point and not have it turn into a "you hate YuNa", "you always bash YuNa" debate?? This isn't a YuNa fan forum!

 

[janetfan]

There you go with that logic thing again...

(But because I can't let it go - I still think a 3/4 triple program is a shame and a sham... esp. when we start with: "she skated a perfect / superior / beautiful performance, despite the fall / watering down the content, etc.")

Gosh, I'll be glad when this season is over...

The best is yet to come.......
The "how many triples will the Lady Olympic Champion land " poll is yet to come.

I would bet on 5 - but would not be surprised if four is the lucky number

Now imagine of the 4 - that two could be triple axles

Don't thank me - all credit should go to Speedy for the way he has improved figure skating. Too many jumps is not that good in a program and the public was getting tired of it.

Besides, skating is like a real sport now - it's so much more athletic - haven't you seen those amazing three 3 second spirals sequences!

Poor Akiko doesn't have a chance because she actually skates in time to the music and has the gall to land 7 triples in her LP.

 

[Figure88]

oh please. Janetfan was simply pointing out that many skaters have done 3 and 4 triple programs this season - including YuNa. Can't a person make a simple point and not have it turn into a "you hate YuNa", "you always bash YuNa" debate?? This isn't a YuNa fan forum!

First off, this is NATIONALS, not an international competition, so what does it have to do with Yuna? And the poster's point was about the type of judging at nationals and whether it will be different this year compared to last year, not really questioning the probity of winning with a 3 triple program, so no, I don't think Janetfan was just "making a simple point." In any case, it seems a little ridiculous that "a person can't make simple point", without suddenly being accused of being a "bot".

 

[millie]

First off, this is NATIONALS, not an international competition, so what does it have to do with Yuna? And the poster's point was about the type of judging at nationals and whether it will be different this year compared to last year, not really questioning the probity of winning with a 3 triple program, so no, I don't think Janetfan was just "making a simple point." In any case, it seems a little ridiculous that "a person can't make simple point", without suddenly being a

ccused of being a "bot".[/


Everyone gets testy at this time of year -Olympic Year. Last Olympics the U.S. had two exceptional ladies in the mix. This Olympics, maybe Sasha will be there-the only contender. That's why Yuna is the mix and talked about so much. If Sasha doesn't go to the Olympics, the U.S. hasn't " a snowball's chance in -ell" of winning a medal.

 

[i love to skate]

First off, this is NATIONALS, not an international competition, so what does it have to do with Yuna? And the poster's point was about the type of judging at nationals and whether it will be different this year compared to last year, not really questioning the probity of winning with a 3 triple program, so no, I don't think Janetfan was just "making a simple point." In any case, it seems a little ridiculous that "a person can't make simple point", without suddenly being accused of being a "bot".

You do realize this thread is around 78 pages and therefore has gone off topic and included other skaters many many times....

 

[Figure88]

Everyone gets testy at this time of year -Olympic Year. Last Olympics the U.S. had two exceptional ladies in the mix. This Olympics, maybe Sasha will be there-the only contender. That's why Yuna is the mix and talked about so much. If Sasha doesn't go to the Olympics, the U.S. hasn't " a snowball's chance in -ell" of winning a medal.

I never got the impresssion that Sasha would be US's last hope for a medal. It's a little telling that someone is withdrawing 2/3 competitons so far (and might be withdrawing from nationals as well). It probably means, they don't have the goods.

 

[janetfan]

You do realize this thread is around 78 pages and therefore has gone off topic and included other skaters many many times....

The point I responded too was made over and over by "silverlake" and it was that Alissa and Sasha can only land 3-4 triples in an LP and therefore could not hope to win.

I correctly pointed out that Yuna won SA with three triples this season. I could have mentioned she won the GPF with 4 triples.

How is that an attack against Yuna? If anything it makes the point that you don't need 7 or even 6 triples to win Ladies events this season.

How it relates to US Natls would be that Alissa and Sasha have certain strengths to their skating and because of that - like Yuna at times - they are capable of winning with less than 7 triples. Or 6, etc.

Since "silverlake" is a big Yuna fan i think this is a point she will understand.
If you don't like me pointing out your favorite has won titles with less than 7, 6, 5 or even 4 triples all I can say is get over it. And be happy that Yuna is such a good skater she doesn't need a full set of triples or to land that many at certain events and can still win.